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CousinIT

(9,257 posts)
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:47 PM Jan 2020

Former CIA Station Chief in Moscow: Trump is a Russian Agent



The man who writes here that his guess is that, “Trump is a Russian agent,” is not just some layman, but a former CIA Station Chief in Moscow, who also helped nab treasonous CIA officer/KGB double agent, Aldrich Ames.

Take what Rolf Mowatt-Larssen says VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY 😳👇🏼



What is maddening about impeachment proceedings is there is no doubt about Trump’s guilt; the facts are undisputed. And there’s a pattern here: Trump engaged in an even deeper conspiracy with Russian intelligence in 2016 and covered it up. My guess is Trump is a Russian agent.
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Former CIA Station Chief in Moscow: Trump is a Russian Agent (Original Post) CousinIT Jan 2020 OP
we know that. they know that. they don't care. NRaleighLiberal Jan 2020 #1
He's not an agent. grumpyduck Jan 2020 #2
In other words.... Xolodno Jan 2020 #3
Either this, or he's the most phenomenal actor in history. Grokenstein Jan 2020 #21
he's a dittohead. they've been using talk radio for at least a decade and the collusion was right certainot Jan 2020 #55
It's grooming. Arthur_Frain Jan 2020 #59
wait till they find out the aversion of uncertainty/fear is caused by diverting certainot Jan 2020 #62
Yes, just a useful idiot. warmfeet Jan 2020 #47
Money. Russian backed loans to bail his ass out. But he owes them big time. (?) YOHABLO Jan 2020 #49
ding ding ding...it is the loans from Russian money! at140 Jan 2020 #51
Just give him bdamomma Jan 2020 #64
Hmmm. I think a trust the former CIA chief's opinion more. triron Jan 2020 #7
Right? PJMcK Jan 2020 #46
Agree with this DeminPennswoods Jan 2020 #15
The former CIA Moscow Station Agent knows the difference Pachamama Jan 2020 #31
His narcissism can be exploited JonLP24 Jan 2020 #57
And he can't keep a secret for 5 minutes. nt leftyladyfrommo Jan 2020 #63
Absolutely. dalton99a Jan 2020 #4
I would also put Pompeo on the list. nt DURHAM D Jan 2020 #5
Hey Pompeo, you're not in Kansas anymore. calimary Jan 2020 #20
This will get darn interesting . Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #6
He's too dumb and too much of a loose cannon to be an agent. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #8
+1 crickets Jan 2020 #10
This. MontanaMama Jan 2020 #23
I agree. They own him and use him for their purposes. patphil Jan 2020 #50
If the shoe fits. Kid Berwyn Jan 2020 #9
An ASSet, I'd say sandensea Jan 2020 #11
DAMN YOU!!!!!! I'll be having nightmares all night thinking about that image. groundloop Jan 2020 #12
Well, just think of what Melania has to put up with! sandensea Jan 2020 #13
She could well be an asset, too DeminPennswoods Jan 2020 #16
I think it's downright likely she's his handler ... (nt) mr_lebowski Jan 2020 #27
You're probably right sandensea Jan 2020 #29
She's his handler. dewsgirl Jan 2020 #34
I felt a bit for her until the I don't care thing marlakay Jan 2020 #32
Hugh Jass!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2020 #14
Hugh Janus MontanaMama Jan 2020 #24
Car Talk allusion? teamster633 Jan 2020 #33
Can't be an asset without the ass Generic Brad Jan 2020 #44
That big fat ass bdamomma Jan 2020 #65
I have always thought this... as have some others... yuiyoshida Jan 2020 #17
Trump is truly loyal to nothing stopdiggin Jan 2020 #18
Putting money into Trump was the best investment Putin ever made. keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #19
Could be. moondust Jan 2020 #22
Useful idiot so indebted to oligarchs that the end wnylib Jan 2020 #25
A distinction without a difference, as the saying goes ... agreed (nt) mr_lebowski Jan 2020 #28
Treason, and the republican party is good with it. MerryBlooms Jan 2020 #26
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #30
K&R UTUSN Jan 2020 #35
Knew this had to come out eventually! n/t PandoraAwakened Jan 2020 #36
tRump is a Russian asset. The evidence says so beyond dispute. He Enoki33 Jan 2020 #37
kick for exposure... Stuart G Jan 2020 #38
Russia has been Trump's meal ticket for decades elias7 Jan 2020 #39
Kick Hekate Jan 2020 #40
Russian agent? Maybe, fifty8bar Jan 2020 #41
Russian Ass Kitchari Jan 2020 #42
Here's how this works matt819 Jan 2020 #43
I think everyone is missing the point sab390 Jan 2020 #45
You are correct bdamomma Jan 2020 #66
IF he is, it is entirely by accident...he isn't smart enough to do it on purpose. nt Ferrets are Cool Jan 2020 #48
One really doesn't have to be smart to enable the money flows that this crowd wants. ancianita Jan 2020 #58
Yup Botany Jan 2020 #52
we knew that on DU since early 2017. AlexSFCA Jan 2020 #53
Yes. I said this several months ago on this site and someone underthematrix Jan 2020 #54
Hidden History of the Trump's first trip to Moscow LessAspin Jan 2020 #56
Mowatt-Larssen has a creep edge; just a cursory search turns up a piece attributed to ancianita Jan 2020 #60
Boy, right at throwing water on this. Wow. triron Jan 2020 #68
This guy wanders through global arenas we need to know about. He's no friend of Americans ancianita Jan 2020 #69
Maybe Trump sees himself as basically being James Bond. NCLefty Jan 2020 #61
Smersh Spionam Kid Berwyn Jan 2020 #67

grumpyduck

(6,249 posts)
2. He's not an agent.
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:54 PM
Jan 2020

The Russians are too smart to have a dumbshit like him as an agent. It's too dangerous. He's just a lackey and they're playing him. He probably doesn't even understand what they're doing.

Grokenstein

(5,727 posts)
21. Either this, or he's the most phenomenal actor in history.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:42 AM
Jan 2020

...Reducing himself to a gibbering, snuffling, utterly-incompetent parody of a human being like that.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
55. he's a dittohead. they've been using talk radio for at least a decade and the collusion was right
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 11:25 PM
Jan 2020

under our noses.

sam nunberg says he "listened to 1000s of hours of talk radio" in 2014 and trump "was getting reports from" him

that was the same year a russian troll said they "got a list of topics to write about"

all this shit is based in talk radio repetition. llmbaugh started with the 'deep state' bullshit (prob from russia) near inauguration and all the russians have to do is get someone like john solomon or jerome corsi to write about biden and hillary ukraine corruption and the next week limbaugh gets it going on 1500 radio stations for a year +, trump and his dittohead admin just follow the scripts and the dittoheads gave it enough inertia to put it all on the floor of the senate, like a big pile of shit under the carpet that smart republicans know is the only advantage they have and won't have to give up until democrats stop ignoring it

Arthur_Frain

(1,856 posts)
59. It's grooming.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 04:26 AM
Jan 2020

All those books written on human psychology started being put to heavy use by someone who recognized early on the impact that properly structured right wing talk radio could have on a significant portion of the electorate.

Introduce the appropriate stressors and they can predict what you will do in a given situation an alarming percentage of the time. Anyone who listens to talk radio can be affected. It’s just predominantly evident in conservatives because of their mindset.

I’ve watched it happen to my mother. She raised me with a liberal, upbeat outlook on life. I caught her listening to Savage some time ago and warned her that sooner or later, she would find his words coming out of her mouth. Sure enough, they got her. She defended W, and fervently hoped with trump that the office would make the man.

And as destructive as it is, this behavior is affirming for them. You can’t get them to not think this way once the grooming has taken over.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
62. wait till they find out the aversion of uncertainty/fear is caused by diverting
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 06:46 AM
Jan 2020

impatient satisfaction-demanding reproductive urges through parts of the brain normally used for rational logical thought, often emphasized in the left brain, because 90% of humans learn sex with the right hand

at140

(6,110 posts)
51. ding ding ding...it is the loans from Russian money!
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:36 PM
Jan 2020

Trump is in construction business, which requires lots of money in the form of loans.

bdamomma

(63,919 posts)
64. Just give him
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 08:14 PM
Jan 2020

some compliments and he's putty in your hands.

The Russians are rolling over with laughter.

PJMcK

(22,048 posts)
46. Right?
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:04 PM
Jan 2020

Somehow, some internet posters are smarter than the real professionals.

Curious, isn't it?

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
15. Agree with this
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:21 AM
Jan 2020

Trump's too dumb and waaayyy too talkative to be an agent. But he is motivated solely by his own self-interest and that plays right into Putin's hands. I think it's entirely possible that Trump is so indebt to Russian oligarchs tied to Putin via Deutchebank that he's not going to do anything that might pull that rug out from under himself.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
31. The former CIA Moscow Station Agent knows the difference
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:17 AM
Jan 2020

If he says that Trump is a Russian Agent (as opposed to a useful idiot) - believe it.



He would have used the term useful idiot if that was the case.

sandensea

(21,658 posts)
13. Well, just think of what Melania has to put up with!
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:16 AM
Jan 2020

Plus whoever else he gets his way with these days.

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
16. She could well be an asset, too
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:24 AM
Jan 2020

Remember her father is/was a member of the communist party. IIRC, she's also pals with Wendy Deng, a suspected Chinese agent, via Rupert Murdoch.

marlakay

(11,486 posts)
32. I felt a bit for her until the I don't care thing
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:22 AM
Jan 2020

I think she was willing to marry any man with money no matter how ugly to become citizen then divorce.

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
24. Hugh Janus
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:03 AM
Jan 2020

Is the name my 14 year old son uses with telemarketers and scammers. He’s so convincing that we now get mail addressed to Mr. Hugh Janus...off topic, I know but your post made me laugh thinking of it...

stopdiggin

(11,358 posts)
18. Trump is truly loyal to nothing
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:27 AM
Jan 2020

other than to himself. I doubt that the concept has any true weight or meaning for him. He would no doubt regard whatever relationship he has with Russia (or any other polity, including the U.S.) as transactional.

moondust

(20,003 posts)
22. Could be.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:50 AM
Jan 2020

With few exceptions and despite his phony denials, his words and actions always seem to be favorable to Putin. Probably more like a useful idiot.

Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
37. tRump is a Russian asset. The evidence says so beyond dispute. He
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:44 PM
Jan 2020

does not have the intelligence, training or discipline to be an agent. His useful idiot persona wrapping is part of the package. The stark fact is that he has betrayed this country, and continues to do so, with impunity.

elias7

(4,026 posts)
39. Russia has been Trump's meal ticket for decades
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 02:25 PM
Jan 2020

He knows who owns him and they absolutely would have compromat on him, because that is what the Russian mob does. He’s smart enough not to betray Epstein or anyone else who has power over him. Remember that he is a malignant narcissist, i.e. everything he does is in his own interest.

I don’t buy the useful idiot argument, as he has broken law after law after law for decades and has avoided serious penalty. He doesn’t need to have a hidden Russian passport and secretly speak Russian to be an agent. He knows Russia - Putin, Mogilevich, etc. have supported him all these years, knows they have the goods on all they have done for him and all he has done to compromise himself- they tell him what to do, he does it, simple as that.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
43. Here's how this works
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:12 PM
Jan 2020

If the COS Moscow identifies an American citizen as a Russian asset, he informs CIA hq. At that point, the agency is likely to inform the fbi, as it becomes a counter intelligence matter. Whether the Russian asset is Donald trump or Donald Duck, it is highly unlikely that the agency would keep this information to itself.

So, at some point fbi has this info and, in turn fbi counterintelligence. They are likely to coordinate with agency counterintelligence on the case, which would, in any case, be very closely held.

So there would now be at least a small handful of people who know this, probably including the attorney general at least at the time this information was reported.

Btw, if trump is described as an asset, he is an asset. There is other terminology that is likely to have been used if he was merely unwitting.

Now, what we need us a book on this element of the farce they is known as the trump administration.

sab390

(185 posts)
45. I think everyone is missing the point
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:30 PM
Jan 2020

There is now a group of people, Murdock, Putin, all of the world members of wealth and privilege, who are out to rule the world. I know, this sounds like a nuts conspiracy like Q anon, but 2000 people hold more money than 4 billion. The country has not been represented by the majority vote for 20 years. Millions of Americans suffer and still vote for this garbage. It's not Russia, it's all of wealth and privilege, everywhere, united against the people. Trump is not the asset, he is just one member of the team. McTurtle, Barr, Kavanaugh, they are all on the same team. And they are winning.

bdamomma

(63,919 posts)
66. You are correct
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 08:28 PM
Jan 2020

in your summation. But then again, the people rise up. I believe in power in numbers.

We are not in the club, as George Carlin said.

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
58. One really doesn't have to be smart to enable the money flows that this crowd wants.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 04:14 AM
Jan 2020
Moneyland(2019), by Oliver Bullough, explains how all that works. Very well documented, researched and full of other sources on global AI, banking and corps operations.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
53. we knew that on DU since early 2017.
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:49 PM
Jan 2020

His goal is deconstruction of administrative state; destroying US constitution is at the heart of it.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
54. Yes. I said this several months ago on this site and someone
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 11:01 PM
Jan 2020

tried to give me grief about stating the obvious.

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
60. Mowatt-Larssen has a creep edge; just a cursory search turns up a piece attributed to
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 04:41 AM
Jan 2020

him that points to both Trump and Putin serving other paymasters (for lack of a better word) for "our new world," and "on behalf of a common cause."

https://www.thecipherbrief.com/column/moscow-station/top-presidential-leadership-helsinki-summit

Google images has him splashed evenly across rt, twitter, FB, foreign policy and deepstateblog -- all with equal quality photography production values, and nothing from any major journalism org.

He's had a page on the Harvard Gazette; who he is in relation to the staff writers isn't clear, but it's clear that they write under his banner.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/tag/rolf-mowatt-larssen/

A Twitter page (with Kobe Bryant trending in 2019)




So I'm thinking the public has to know more about this guy, and whether or not this Bolton thing and he have connection. And who he really is, overall, not what personas he plays in various arenas -- academic, intel, Davos darling, or what ...

This is the first I've heard of him, but he's on the edges of stuff I think we'd better learn more about.



ancianita

(36,132 posts)
69. This guy wanders through global arenas we need to know about. He's no friend of Americans
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 08:49 PM
Jan 2020

who want to preserve a constitutional republic.

I'm so glad you see this for what it looks like.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
61. Maybe Trump sees himself as basically being James Bond.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 04:44 AM
Jan 2020

*but in a traitorous way

That could be the secret source of energy that keeps him going every day. And his cover is he's just this dumb, buffoonish, loud, insulting blowhard from Queens. Maybe it's brilliant. I don't know.. :p

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