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applegrove

(118,682 posts)
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:19 PM Jan 2020

West Virginia Governor Urges Virginia Counties to Secede

West Virginia Governor Urges Virginia Counties to Secede

January 28, 2020 at 6:36 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 423 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2020/01/28/west-virginia-governor-urges-virginia-counties-to-secede/

"SNIP....

West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice (R) encouraged Virginia counties unhappy with the Democratic-controlled government in Richmond to secede from the state and join his, The Hill reports.

Said Justice: “If you’re not happy where you’re at, come on down. If you’re not truly happy where you are we stand with open arms to take you from Virginia or anywhere you may be. We stand strongly behind the Second Amendment, and we stand strongly for the unborn.”

.....SNIP"

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West Virginia Governor Urges Virginia Counties to Secede (Original Post) applegrove Jan 2020 OP
im still hoping for Canada to buy the entite West coast :))) samnsara Jan 2020 #1
We are so alike the West coast of the USA, northeast and Canada. We like it when applegrove Jan 2020 #2
NY and New England have more in common with Ontario than Alabama. roamer65 Jan 2020 #12
Anyhow. Don't want to promote separation. I grew up with it happening applegrove Jan 2020 #15
Sometimes the best route is divorce. roamer65 Jan 2020 #19
Not without taking New England too! dem4decades Jan 2020 #3
Boston is my favourite city. applegrove Jan 2020 #4
I love that dirty water myself. dem4decades Jan 2020 #5
What does 'dirty water' mean? Is it a term of endearment? Does Boston have applegrove Jan 2020 #6
I love that dirty water.... Boston you're my home dem4decades Jan 2020 #9
Thanks. applegrove Jan 2020 #10
Reference to the Charles River and the Boston Harbor. nt Progressive Jones Jan 2020 #11
They love the dirty water SCantiGOP Jan 2020 #14
The Charles River used to be very polluted but starting back in smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #35
I love that song! greymattermom Jan 2020 #32
The countries closest to my state SCantiGOP Jan 2020 #13
I don't think we could afford to buy you Disaffected Jan 2020 #18
LOL! n/t EndlessWire Jan 2020 #23
As a Virginian maxrandb Jan 2020 #7
.... BigmanPigman Jan 2020 #8
2nd poorest state in the nation, WV, that is. demosincebirth Jan 2020 #17
The diseases caused by coal industry pollution aren't being stopped by a legal boundary. phleshdef Jan 2020 #20
How is it unconstitutional? former9thward Jan 2020 #33
I live in WV a la izquierda Jan 2020 #22
I wish the media that tout places like West Virginia as "real Murika" maxrandb Jan 2020 #24
Yep. I've never had such a terrible time adjusting. a la izquierda Jan 2020 #26
Poor you! Freedomofspeech Jan 2020 #28
What do you hate about it so much? Is it just the right-wing politics or are there smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #36
Right-wing, self-defeating politics. a la izquierda Jan 2020 #37
Thanks! I hope you are able to escape that hell hole soon. smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #39
Will the guv have open arms for Jerry's pool boy? keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #16
So, WV's ignoring Trump's fake promisesto the coal miners leaves it ever poorer DFW Jan 2020 #21
In the same vein, I'm from PA, and would like to invite Hancock, Brooke, Ohio, and Marshall counties Mc Mike Jan 2020 #25
You could take Monongalia County also. a la izquierda Jan 2020 #27
All are welcome. But I was looking for nifty contiguous borders. Mc Mike Jan 2020 #29
I literally have no idea where those places are. a la izquierda Jan 2020 #38
I go by Rand McNally. This computer and os is old, can't see a lot of maps and pics. Mc Mike Jan 2020 #41
Greene, Fayette and Westmoreland should become part of West Virginia. Freedomofspeech Jan 2020 #30
I'm in Allegheny, but have worked in Greene, Westmoreland. Mc Mike Jan 2020 #31
WV's population has been stagnant or declining, that's why. themaguffin Jan 2020 #34
This will happen right after the State of Jefferson breaks off from Californy. maxsolomon Jan 2020 #40
US Constitution Article IV Section 3 struggle4progress Jan 2020 #42
West Virginia Constitution. Article IV, Section 5 struggle4progress Jan 2020 #43
The WV governor is violating his oath of office struggle4progress Jan 2020 #44
I thought so. applegrove Jan 2020 #45

applegrove

(118,682 posts)
2. We are so alike the West coast of the USA, northeast and Canada. We like it when
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:25 PM
Jan 2020

the people choose how to be, not when the power mongers through politicians choose how they want people to be. We celebrate civil society and an informed electorate.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
12. NY and New England have more in common with Ontario than Alabama.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 11:09 PM
Jan 2020

They are ready made provinces for admission into the Canadian confederation.

applegrove

(118,682 posts)
15. Anyhow. Don't want to promote separation. I grew up with it happening
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 11:18 PM
Jan 2020

Last edited Wed Jan 29, 2020, 02:30 AM - Edit history (1)

in Quebec and it is heartbreaking.

dem4decades

(11,296 posts)
9. I love that dirty water.... Boston you're my home
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:45 PM
Jan 2020

From the Standells
Check. out the song and lyrics. It's sung after every Red Sox win.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
35. The Charles River used to be very polluted but starting back in
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:25 AM
Jan 2020

the 60's efforts were started to clean up the river with the formation of the Charles River Watershed Association.

"In 1995, the United States Environmental Protection Agency declared a goal of making the river swimmable by 2005. In 1996, Governor William Weld plunged, fully clothed, into the river to prove his commitment to cleaning up the river. On November 12, 2004, Christopher Swain became the first person to swim the Charles River's entire length, in an effort to raise public awareness of the river's environmental health. In July 2007, the river hosted the Charles River Masters Swim Race, the first sanctioned race in the Charles in over five decades.

A combination of public and private initiatives helped drastically lower levels of pollutants by focusing on eliminating combined sewer overflows and storm water runoff. Since Weld's stunt, the river's condition has improved dramatically, although it was not deemed entirely swimmable by 2005."

I live less than a block away from the river and it's quite lovely, although I'm not sure I would swim in it. However there is no smell or visible pollution. The Esplanade is a beautiful park that runs along the south bank of the river where people run, bike, picnic and where the Boston Pops play on the 4th of July.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
13. The countries closest to my state
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 11:10 PM
Jan 2020

Are the Bahamas and Bermuda.
That sounds OK; I’ll vote for annexation.
For one thing, it’s always cool to hear a black resident speaking with a perfect British accent.

Disaffected

(4,556 posts)
18. I don't think we could afford to buy you
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 11:24 PM
Jan 2020

(it would be more like California buying Canada) but, if you want to join up, welcome eh!

maxrandb

(15,334 posts)
7. As a Virginian
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:36 PM
Jan 2020

I say; "Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split 'ya"

Seriously, the collective IQ of Virginia would increase by 40 points, and the collective IQ of West Virginia would increase by 3 points.

Yes, West Virginia is the only place that could take in the ignorant of Virginia and have it increase the intelligence of their own state.

Enjoy the coal ash water, lung cancer and emphazima.

God, I truly pray these folks take West Virginia up on this offer!

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
20. The diseases caused by coal industry pollution aren't being stopped by a legal boundary.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:51 AM
Jan 2020

I'm a native WVian (I live in Ohio now) and you are not going to hear me take up for the state and its monoeconomic model based on coal that has been on a slow but steady collapse for 40 years. But the industry is already spreading coal ash water, lung cancer, emphysema and many other things all over Appalachia which already includes the same parts of Virginia they are making this idiotic, frankly unconstitutional appeal to.

former9thward

(32,020 posts)
33. How is it unconstitutional?
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 09:57 AM
Jan 2020

WV was formed by succeeding from Virginia. Are you saying WV is an unconstitutional formation? Article IV, Section 3 of the Constitution expressly allows this and sets out the rules.

a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
22. I live in WV
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 06:38 AM
Jan 2020

Moved here for work. I have never hated a place as much as I hate this state. I can’t wait to fulfill my contractual obligations at work, then I’m outta here.
Most ignorant, backwards state in the Union.

maxrandb

(15,334 posts)
24. I wish the media that tout places like West Virginia as "real Murika"
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 07:09 AM
Jan 2020

Would actually have to live in these "salt of the earth" places for a year.

a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
26. Yep. I've never had such a terrible time adjusting.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:39 AM
Jan 2020

And I moved from Los Angeles to Oklahoma! I figured the shift from Oklahoma to WV would be easy, but good lord it’s not.

Freedomofspeech

(4,226 posts)
28. Poor you!
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:51 AM
Jan 2020

We live in SW PA...bordering West Virginia....West Virginia flows into our area. Have lived here our whole lives and it has turned into hell. Working on getting out of here.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
36. What do you hate about it so much? Is it just the right-wing politics or are there
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:27 AM
Jan 2020

other things that make it such a terrible place to live? Just curious. I have never been there.

a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
37. Right-wing, self-defeating politics.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 02:01 PM
Jan 2020

Close-mindedness of the locals. Insular attitudes. Woe-is-me but literally unwilling to do anything about it.
Now of course that's not everyone.
But I have very, very few friends who are actually from here. We're all transplants (university town).

DFW

(54,403 posts)
21. So, WV's ignoring Trump's fake promisesto the coal miners leaves it ever poorer
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:33 AM
Jan 2020

And they are so desperate to grow their tax base that they are willing to take the poorest parts of Virginia? Maybe the rest of Virginia might not object, but those living in the poorest parts of Virginia might not appreciate suddenly finding themselves part of a State that is in no position whatsoever to keep them as well off as they are now, much less improve things.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
25. In the same vein, I'm from PA, and would like to invite Hancock, Brooke, Ohio, and Marshall counties
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:04 AM
Jan 2020

to leave W VA, and join PA. After all, WV DID vote for a Dem governor, and had one until Justice turncoated.

Come on over, join PA, you'll have a Dem Governor, like you voted for, again.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
29. All are welcome. But I was looking for nifty contiguous borders.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:53 AM
Jan 2020

We're willing to go from Fairfax Stone to Bellville Lock and Dam. What say you?

a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
38. I literally have no idea where those places are.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 02:03 PM
Jan 2020

I leave Morgantown regularly, but to go someplace else (mostly abroad). I have traveled very little in this region.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
41. I go by Rand McNally. This computer and os is old, can't see a lot of maps and pics.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 06:32 PM
Jan 2020

Last edited Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:27 AM - Edit history (1)

If you start from where the Maryland panhandle's most western & south part is, go directly west toward the Ohio. Makes a nice straight east west running southern border for newly allied PA congressional districts.

Freedomofspeech

(4,226 posts)
30. Greene, Fayette and Westmoreland should become part of West Virginia.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:53 AM
Jan 2020

Trust me, it is hell in thise 3 counties.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
31. I'm in Allegheny, but have worked in Greene, Westmoreland.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 09:06 AM
Jan 2020

We could claim 6 to 9 counties under the west PA end of the 'T', in past elections. That changed in the last few presidential elections, but I'm not writing our people off there. The repugs didn't, or those counties wouldn't currently be 'red'.

Also, you're missing the point of this game the repugs are playing, Freedom. The idea is to insouciantly tell other parts of America to seceed from their lawfully elected governments, and join your territory which shares borders with them. The former 'Dem' is telling people under a new Dem governor to seceed, so I'm telling the former 'Dem's' people to join our Dem gov.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
40. This will happen right after the State of Jefferson breaks off from Californy.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 02:14 PM
Jan 2020

AKA on the 10th of Never.

struggle4progress

(118,294 posts)
42. US Constitution Article IV Section 3
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 07:27 PM
Jan 2020
... no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress ...

https://constitutionus.com/



struggle4progress

(118,294 posts)
43. West Virginia Constitution. Article IV, Section 5
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 07:29 PM
Jan 2020
... Every person elected or appointed to any office, before proceeding to exercise the authority, or discharge the duties thereof, shall make oath or affirmation that he will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of this State, and that he will faithfully discharge the duties of his said office to the best of his skill and judgment; and no other oath, declaration, or test shall be required as a qualification, unless herein provided ...

https://www.wvlegislature.gov/WVCODE/WV_CON.cfm
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