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global1

(25,253 posts) Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:14 AM Jan 2020

I Keep Hearing From Trump's Lawyers That Overturning The 2016 Election And....,

denying the American People voting in the Nov. election will cause serious damage to our country.

Why haven't the Dems countered with the following:

Trump - with the help of the Russians - already overturned the 2016 election and he was planning to have foreign help again to interfere with the 2020 election.

Where do these Repug lawyers get off using the argument of overturning and interference in these two elections - when Trump already has done what they are accusing the Dems of wanting to do by impeaching him?

And this is not even including the gerrymandering, voter suppression and Repug cheating and stealing of votes - tactics the Repugs use in every election.

I don't understand why the Dems don't strike back by saying Trump has already done what they are accusing the Dems of doing by impeachment. The Dems are impeaching Trump to prevent any interference in any future elections.

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I Keep Hearing From Trump's Lawyers That Overturning The 2016 Election And...., (Original Post) global1 Jan 2020 OP

He's already had over 3 years of being president. At most, we'd be "overturning" 25% NCLefty Jan 2020 #1

This is rich. Sure have a knack for swapping truth with lies. sprinkleeninow Jan 2020 #2

POTUS would become Mike Pence, not Hillary Clinton. greyl Jan 2020 #3

We are not overturning the 2016 election--we are punishing CRIMES against our nation. lastlib Jan 2020 #4

I've watched Rep Hakeem Jeffries say it so many times; djacq Jan 2020 #5

Overturn? How about grand larceny and restitution? bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #6

As others have pointed out, Hav Jan 2020 #7

Dems should point out that the Supreme Court had no problem with that malaise Jan 2020 #8

No impeachment has removed a president--so their claim is bogus live love laugh Jan 2020 #9

Under this argument, no president can ever be removed from office, LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2020 #10

Don't forget 2018 election central scrutinizer Jan 2020 #11

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)

1. He's already had over 3 years of being president. At most, we'd be "overturning" 25%

Reply to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:25 AM

Jan 2020

if you look at it that way, which is obviously ridiculous.

sprinkleeninow

(20,250 posts)

2. This is rich. Sure have a knack for swapping truth with lies.

Reply to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:30 AM

Jan 2020

No, repucks, y'all's buddy-boy did exactly this causing serious damage to our nation.

greyl

(22,990 posts)

3. POTUS would become Mike Pence, not Hillary Clinton.

Reply to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:32 AM

Jan 2020

The "overturning the 2016 election" Trump defense is dumb. We'd get the guy dotard picked to replace him if necessary.

lastlib

(23,248 posts)

4. We are not overturning the 2016 election--we are punishing CRIMES against our nation.

Reply to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:39 AM

Jan 2020

And we are PREVENTING tRump himself from overturning the 2020 election thru the aid of a foreign power.

I agree with you--we need to HAMMER these points.

djacq

(1,634 posts)

5. I've watched Rep Hakeem Jeffries say it so many times;

Reply to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:53 AM

Jan 2020

"That the Trump campaign welcomed Russian interference and assistance at the highest level."

bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)

6. Overturn? How about grand larceny and restitution?

Reply to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 06:16 AM

Jan 2020

Return the 2016 Election to those who actually won it. Thievery requires making the aggrieved party whole.

Hav

(5,969 posts)

7. As others have pointed out,

Reply to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 07:39 AM

Jan 2020

there's this logical fallacy that an election somehow shields you from taking responsibility for actions that violate the office that you assumed through that election.
Secondly, if we want to argue about the will of the people, given that 3 million people voted for someone else, this wouldn't be overturning their will.

malaise

(269,054 posts)

8. Dems should point out that the Supreme Court had no problem with that

Reply to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 07:42 AM

Jan 2020

in 2000.
Hillary won in 2016 and they all know it

live love laugh

(13,118 posts)

9. No impeachment has removed a president--so their claim is bogus

Reply to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 07:43 AM

Jan 2020

Nixon’s resignation was voluntary.

LastLiberal in PalmSprings

(12,586 posts)

10. Under this argument, no president can ever be removed from office,

Reply to live love laugh (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:08 AM

Jan 2020

since doing so is "overturning the will of the people."

central scrutinizer

(11,652 posts)

11. Don't forget 2018 election

Reply to global1 (Original post)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:28 AM

Jan 2020

The American people have already spoken loud and clear that they were sick of the corruption and wanted some oversight. Since every House member was on the ballot, 2018 was truly a national referendum. Repugs want to overturn (at least ignore) the 2018 election.

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