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turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:46 AM Jan 2020

Kobe Bryant's helicopter not equipped with vital warning system

Published 2 hours ago on January 29, 2020
By Agence France-Presse

The helicopter that crashed into a Los Angeles hillside killing NBA legend Kobe Bryant and eight others, was not equipped with vital software that alerts pilots when aircraft are too close to the ground, officials said.

The terrain awareness and warning system (TAWS), which is designed to send a warning when a collision appears imminent, had not been installed on Bryant’s Sikorsky S-76 helicopter, the National Transport Safety Board’s (NTSB) Jennifer Homendy said.

“Certainly, TAWS could have helped,” NBC News reported Homendy as saying, adding that she could not conclude that its use would have prevented the crash.

The warning system is not mandatory on helicopters under Federal Aviation Administration regulations, despite the NTSB recommending that it be made so on all helicopters with six or more passenger seats, following a 2004 crash.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/kobe-bryants-helicopter-not-equipped-with-vital-warning-system/

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And the cost of putting this system on a helicopter..................

Industry officials have estimated the cost of retrofitting such a system—which in some cases can give pilots an audible warning 10 seconds or more before a potential collision with the ground—at roughly $25,000 to $40,000.

And lets not forget the cost of training the pilot for the system....................

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TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
1. I upvoted this even though it appears there is something else going on.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 10:56 AM
Jan 2020

The chopper climbed, banked and then dove into the ground at high speed. That needs to be explained. Perhaps the pilot had a seizure. Since I have never been in a helicopter I am not sure how it is controlled, but the body of a man falling on them could certainly cause a dive.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
2. If that is the case then the question that needs to be asked where is the second in command.........
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:01 AM
Jan 2020

who would be in the left seat, if there was another pilot.........................

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
3. Evidently not according to Bryant's former pilot Kurt Deetz.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:10 AM
Jan 2020
In an interview with ET's Lauren Zima on Monday, Deetz reacted to Bryant's shocking death and offered insight into the devastating crash. According to Deetz, while the helicopter had room for a co-pilot -- "It was configured for eight in the back, and then two up front [for the] pilot and co-pilot," he said -- having that additional crew member on board would not have prevented the tragedy.

"They're a single program. There's no need for two pilots. It wouldn't have made a difference," Deetz said, clarifying that in the case of Bryant's helicopter, the presence of a co-pilot was more in case something happened to the pilot, rendering him or her unable to fly.
https://www.ksat.com/entertainment/2020/01/27/kobe-bryants-former-helicopter-pilot-speaks-out-following-crash-exclusive/


The last sentence is in line with what you say. However if the TAWS was thought too expensive at 25 to 40K USD how much more for a second pilot.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
6. Since most pilots are salary and it is a safety issue in my opinion it,
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:24 AM
Jan 2020

appears from all indications that the charter service which is legal to omit the second in command in helicopter, I disagree with that policy..................... check out this information check out how they get away with this single pilot operation

http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/notices/n8900_217.htm

Check out:

a. Type Rating Limitations. By properly addressing training and pilot certification requirements for single-pilot operations, a type rating can be issued without a SIC limitation.
b. Training and Certification. Single-pilot operations are often seat specific as identified in the helicopter’s TC, Rotorcraft Flight Manual (RFM), or RFM Supplement. The requirements for single-pilot training and certification may require a type rating applicant to switch seats during training and certification events to ensure the requirements of § 61.43 are met.

MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)
4. Visibility was an issue the morning of the crash.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 11:11 AM
Jan 2020

So much so that police and emergency helicopters were grounded until Sunday afternoon because basic visibility standards were not met. Somebody made the decision to fly anyway. So darned unfortunate.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
7. $25,000 to $40,000?
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:17 PM
Jan 2020

They do realize we’re talking about an aircraft that costs at least $12 million, depending on how you get it equipped? An annual inspection on one of these things is $30,000, if there’s nothing wrong with it. It probably costs more than $25,000 to get the oil changed.

The point of this little tirade is, when you’re at the price point the S-76 is in, $40,000 is not a major expense.

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