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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 02:37 PM Jan 2020

The thing about dangerous viruses for which there is no vaccine...

Do you know who the last person was who pushed the shopping cart you just pulled out to use? How about the door handle you just operated? How many people went through the check-out at the supermarket before you and touched the keypad on the credit card reader?

And on and on it goes. We don't pay any attention to surfaces we touch, really. You might use the disinfectant wipes at the grocery store before grabbing a shopping cart, but you will still be touching surfaces others have touched as you shop. Did you stop to fill your car with gas on the way home? Who was the person before you using that nozzle?

That's why the Wuhan Coronavirus is of such concern. That's why the Americans flown back from Wuhan will be quarantined until it's known they aren't carrying the virus. That's why China has shut Wuhan down and why air travel is being blocked from China by so many countries.

There is no vaccine that protects you from that coronavirus. Not even partially, as the flu shot protects you. Nothing. How would someone know they were ill because of it. It's symptoms are like a cold or the flu at first. We're all used to ignoring such things unless we're too sick to go out.

Don't minimize the risk of this new viral illness. Be glad measures are being put in place to stop its spread into the United States. It's news because it's newsworthy. Don't complain about the news.

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The thing about dangerous viruses for which there is no vaccine... (Original Post) MineralMan Jan 2020 OP
And those disinfectant wipes? They are useless. HelpImSurrounded Jan 2020 #1
based on what Ive read this new bug is not particularly harmful symptoms wise unless u are msongs Jan 2020 #2
However, many of us are medically compromised. dchill Jan 2020 #3
Neither is the influenza virus, but MineralMan Jan 2020 #4
Figures reported 25-32% are admitted to the ICU for breathing difficulties. The WHO is differing- 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #10
Actually, I have read that half of the victims are under 49 and were in good health tblue37 Jan 2020 #15
This was what was thought initially, but since then healthy people have become very sick with it. emmaverybo Jan 2020 #27
Just pratice good Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #5
That's always good advice, of course. MineralMan Jan 2020 #6
Never forget what Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #8
We all had the flu vaccine and my daughter still caught the flu (last week). Dorian Gray Jan 2020 #31
Yes. I had the same thing happen three years ago. MineralMan Jan 2020 #32
I work in janitorial. I wash my hands 8-9 times a day for Luz Jan 2020 #29
When I worked Janitorial sixty years ago, Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #30
Not to mention the 2 to 14-day incubation period. Sugar Smack Jan 2020 #7
Yes, which is why such major precautions appear to be in place. MineralMan Jan 2020 #9
Stay safe, Sugar Smack In_The_Wind Jan 2020 #14
You too, In_The_Wind Sugar Smack Jan 2020 #20
Here in Kentucky, the biggest issue is the flu right now. Zolorp Jan 2020 #11
Yes. MineralMan Jan 2020 #12
It's the best reason to wear a surgical mask. Zolorp Jan 2020 #13
Since retiring in June, my reclusive tendencies have minimized my contacts. However, I still tblue37 Jan 2020 #18
How long do these viruses usually spread marlakay Jan 2020 #16
You don't need to become a germphobe RAB910 Jan 2020 #17
Cdc preventative actions Midnightwalk Jan 2020 #19
Good thoughts! cwydro Jan 2020 #21
Check Out the 2011 Movie "Contagion" waterwatcher123 Jan 2020 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #23
I have a thing about hospitals--I'm frightened about the germs there. panader0 Jan 2020 #24
A lab in Australia has replicated the virus. The beginning of the end for it. Blue_true Jan 2020 #25
Labs are hot on the trail of getting a vaccine for coronavirus but it applegrove Jan 2020 #26
If you ignore the hyped up online bullshit it's pretty manageable... Wounded Bear Jan 2020 #28
Handling cash is another way to contact infections. BSdetect Jan 2020 #33

HelpImSurrounded

(441 posts)
1. And those disinfectant wipes? They are useless.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 02:42 PM
Jan 2020

FDA warns Purell to stop claiming it prevents the flu, ebola

https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/gojo-industries-inc-599132-01172020

The primary ingredient in hand sanitizers and wipes is ethyl alcohol which requires at least 15 minutes to be effective. The 5 seconds of contact with your hands is meaningless.

msongs

(67,413 posts)
2. based on what Ive read this new bug is not particularly harmful symptoms wise unless u are
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 02:42 PM
Jan 2020

medically compromised already. otherwise its like a mild flu

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
4. Neither is the influenza virus, but
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 02:48 PM
Jan 2020

10-50,000 people in the United States die from it each year. And that's with a good portion of the population protected to some degree by the available vaccine.

Many people are medically compromised, including very young and very old people. An illness as potentially deadly as influenza but without a protective vaccine is especially dangerous, since most people who get sick from it aren't sick enough to stay home. And, since there is no way for people to protect themselves by getting vaccinated, the potential danger is magnified.

You might just feel ill for a few days from the Wuhan Coronavirus, but in those few days, you might spread the virus far wider than you might think. It's much better to try very hard from it getting a foothold in this country.

58Sunliner

(4,386 posts)
10. Figures reported 25-32% are admitted to the ICU for breathing difficulties. The WHO is differing-
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:04 PM
Jan 2020

Last edited Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:00 PM - Edit history (1)

Their post says "about 1 in 5 people have severe illness, including #pneumonia and respiratory failure,” ICU means that means they are intubated and ventilated, and some are having their blood oxygenated as well. Not mild, not insignificant. It causes pneumonia, which is dangerous for anyone. This virus stops the cilia from functioning on the epithelium. Many people survive pneumonia, if they can get treatment. Heaven help us if it mutates and becomes more lethal.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/26/2019-ncov-china-epidemic-pandemic-the-wuhan-coronavirus-a-tentative-clinical-profile/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/coronavirus-china-live-updates/2020/01/29/d49b9194-423b-11ea-b503-2b077c436617_story.html

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
15. Actually, I have read that half of the victims are under 49 and were in good health
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:22 PM
Jan 2020

before contracting the virus.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. Just pratice good
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 02:49 PM
Jan 2020

hand washing and hygiene . Still the best preventative medicine. That and rest,just do not let your body get run down.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
6. That's always good advice, of course.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 02:51 PM
Jan 2020

I follow it, but I've had one nasty cold this year already, despite that. I got my flu shot, too, so I hope to miss that illness this year, as well, but there's no guarantee. I don't need to add this coronavirus to the risks, so I'm glad there is an attempt to keep it out of the United States. It's a worthwhile thing to do.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. Never forget what
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:01 PM
Jan 2020

happens in your area. Every out break of some type of viral infection usually ends with the next major cold snap. Especially one that last several days. The viral spores die in bitter cold.

It's those virus's that hit post February that usually turn ugly and hang around till the fourth of July.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
31. We all had the flu vaccine and my daughter still caught the flu (last week).
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 09:45 PM
Jan 2020

Luckily bc of the vaccine, she was over it in 3 days! One tough day with fever approaching 103. The rest was pretty easy. Low efficacy this year, but doctors said it provided protection and helped her body fight off the virus quicker than it probably would have without the vaccine. (And nobody else in the house caught the flu!)

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
32. Yes. I had the same thing happen three years ago.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:15 AM
Jan 2020

I had to fly to California urgently during the height of the flu season. By the time I flew back, I had a cough and wasn't feeling well. I spent the next two days in bed, and had a 102 degree fever for one day. But, then, I felt better and was able to do more normal activities. It was the flu, but the vaccine had helped keep it from being 7-days in misery.

Luz

(772 posts)
29. I work in janitorial. I wash my hands 8-9 times a day for
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:55 PM
Jan 2020

at least 20 seconds with hot water. There are lots of germy places like door handles, elevator buttons, trash cans, vending machines and hand rails.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
30. When I worked Janitorial sixty years ago,
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 09:24 PM
Jan 2020

because it was a Campus Elementary,we washed up several times per day using Monodine and hot water.

Sugar Smack

(18,748 posts)
7. Not to mention the 2 to 14-day incubation period.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 02:55 PM
Jan 2020

There's the possibility that the coronavirus is virulent even then. There may not be symptoms during this period. Those are big variables. Too many variables to be complacent about it.

 

Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
11. Here in Kentucky, the biggest issue is the flu right now.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:08 PM
Jan 2020

Nasty variant and it's everywhere.

Biggest thing to remember is, STOP TOUCHING YOUR FACE!!! We all touch our face thousands of times daily. Touching your face after touching a surface somebody else touched is an example of fomite transmission.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
12. Yes.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:11 PM
Jan 2020

As for not touching your face, that's a great idea, except that we do it unconsciously all the time. It's almost impossible not to, I think

Even though I got the flu shot, I try hard to minimize my time around other people during this season. Fortunately, it's cold outside, so I'm staying in most of the time anyhow.

 

Zolorp

(1,115 posts)
13. It's the best reason to wear a surgical mask.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:12 PM
Jan 2020

That's what surgical masks protect against the most, the face touching.

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
18. Since retiring in June, my reclusive tendencies have minimized my contacts. However, I still
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:32 PM
Jan 2020

tutor, and I do have friends.

But when I was still teaching college English, up to 7 months ago, my spring semester classes were especially popular with international students who had just passed out of our English language center--mainly because I was understanding of their language issues, and because I knew they were smart and hardworking, so I was willing to spend a lot of time working with them.

Of those international students, easily 50-60% were from China, and another 20% were from other Asian countries. The rest of the international cohort were from the Middle East, India, and Africa.

In spring semester, my classes were often 75% international students.

As much as I liked my international students, I must admit that as a 69-year-old woman with many health issues, I am glad to be retired right now.

marlakay

(11,473 posts)
16. How long do these viruses usually spread
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:23 PM
Jan 2020

Before they stop? We have a trip we planned next fall on cruise ship in Mediterranean for our anniversary. I was excited until this, now wondering about long flight, all the ports and countries we will visit and the cruise itself with a bunch of people.

RAB910

(3,501 posts)
17. You don't need to become a germphobe
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:29 PM
Jan 2020

Just practice good handwashing and take care of yourself (eat well, exercise, minimize stress, drink in moderation, and don't smoke).

For most of these viruses, they don't enter your body through your skin. Rather you touch your eyes or mouth or nose and that is how they enter your system. So good handwashing and making sure you don't touch your eyes, ears, mouth or nose with dirty hands and you will be protected from contact transmission.


That said, the current coronavirus is believed to be transmitted via droplets from coughing and sneezing. So watch out for uncovered coughs and sneezes and as they say in public health when you sneeze do it in your sleeve (not your hand).

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
19. Cdc preventative actions
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 03:33 PM
Jan 2020
Wash your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds. Use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol if soap and water are not available.

Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth with unwashed hands.

Avoid close contact with people who are sick.

Stay home when you are sick.

Cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, then throw the tissue in the trash.

Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces.


[link:https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/prevention-treatment.html|]


 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
21. Good thoughts!
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:06 PM
Jan 2020

I’m a huge hand washer, and I keep wipes in my car.

For some reason (knock on wood) I very rarely get sick. I can’t remember the last time I even had a cold.

I do take care of myself as far as good food, lots of fluids, exercise and so on. Even on cold/rainy days , I’m out with my dogs. We walk probably at least six miles on any given day, no matter the weather.

A little shot of whiskey never hurt anyone either.

waterwatcher123

(144 posts)
22. Check Out the 2011 Movie "Contagion"
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:23 PM
Jan 2020

Once you check out the movie, ask yourself how you vaccinate nine billion people, who gets the vaccine first and who benefits from a crisis of this type (certainly big pharma among others). How do you quarantine the planet too. Apparently there were places that escaped the wrath of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic. However, they were isolated or walled off their communities to the outside world.

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panader0

(25,816 posts)
24. I have a thing about hospitals--I'm frightened about the germs there.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 06:02 PM
Jan 2020

I almost feel like I have to hold my breath walking down the halls.
Sure, you can catch something at the supermarket or the gas pump.
But the really bad stuff is at the hospital.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
25. A lab in Australia has replicated the virus. The beginning of the end for it.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 07:25 PM
Jan 2020

My feeling is the big problem is that it started out in China, not a country that is known for sharing information. If you survived SARS and the yearly flu virus, you should survive the coronavirus, it's kill rate is 2%, SARS was 10% and this year's flu strain 5.5%.

applegrove

(118,682 posts)
26. Labs are hot on the trail of getting a vaccine for coronavirus but it
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 07:30 PM
Jan 2020

will be a year at least before it could be used on humans if they are lucky.

Wounded Bear

(58,666 posts)
28. If you ignore the hyped up online bullshit it's pretty manageable...
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 08:54 PM
Jan 2020

Yes, this is serious, and I'm glad protections are being put in place and quarantines enforced.

The normal news cycle is handling this fairly well IMO. Just don't start drinking bleach because some internet nut posts it.

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
33. Handling cash is another way to contact infections.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 12:10 PM
Jan 2020

My daughter is a biologist and avoids cash except for some kept clean in her emergency wallet.

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