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****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/29/20 THREAD 3**** (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 OP
Schiff is turning the idiotic hypothetical around - and making it relevant BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #1
There's no merit to this purported investigation - Just want to "announce" it. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #2
corrupt DoJ won't investigate corrupt administration it's a part of Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #3
Question from Gary Peters (D-MI) - Impeachment for other high crimes and misdemeanors BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #4
Zoe Lofgren is going through the historical record regarding impeachments BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #5
Lofgren - defacing a mailbox is a violation of federal law - but that is so minor BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #6
Q. (Murkowski) - Argue why any subponea issued before H.R. 660 (Impeachment Inquiry) are invalid BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #7
Totally WTF n/t MFGsunny Jan 2020 #9
Article 1, Section 5 says House and Senate set their own rules Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #12
Lofgren tore apart their 'crime required' defense Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #8
WTF IS HE TALKING ABOUT??????????? BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #10
Yeeaah, he's gonna need them to go ahead and file a TPS report Mersky Jan 2020 #14
So now this jackass has invalidated 23 subpoenas BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #11
Russiapublicans want excuses to defend their failure to do duty Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #13
Question to House Managers - Ref. Federalist 65/Hamilton and how impeachment if public servants BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #15
Nadler has been with his wife in hospital, yet here because of his oath Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #16
Nadler responding to why what happened was impeachable BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #17
The House ALWAYS delegates subponea power to the Committees as a STANDARD PRACTICE BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #18
Nadler mentioning waiving of Executive Privilege once he spoke about Bolton BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #19
also, executive privilege cannot be used to conceal wrongdoing Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #22
Turtle 1 more question on each side then a break BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #20
Pat Roberts (R-KS) - To WH counsel to respond to previous question (re: executive privilege) BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #21
Suckylow responding for this question... BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #23
Sekulow lies. trump didn't invoke executive priv, he ordered that nobody respond ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #24
Now Sekulow invokes Steele dossier to deflect from matter at hand. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #25
Benghazi. H2O Man Jan 2020 #29
whatabout asteroids?!? will no one think of the puppies? Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #35
Exactly. H2O Man Jan 2020 #43
Benghazi. trueblue2007 Jan 2020 #95
We must. It is right and just. H2O Man Jan 2020 #96
oshit, Kamala Harris going straight to nixon-trump dictatorial statements Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #26
Schiff: here we have shifting series of arguments, rationales, obfuscations Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #27
Schiff: pres claimed absolute immunity, threat to tie up in court Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #28
Adam Schiff H2O Man Jan 2020 #32
Schiff: steps through layers of appeal in courts -- gives effective immunity from Congress Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #30
Schiff - Amazing how private organizations can get docs from the Admin. based on FOIA BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #31
***RECESS UNTIL 4PM ET*** BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #33
somewhere in the world, it's still too early to drink ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #36
Right, but not here. elleng Jan 2020 #37
Took a quick walk with the dog, around the pond ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #41
WOW! (RE: catfish.) elleng Jan 2020 #45
take care of you; WE got this :) Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #51
Never to early!!! BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #39
RECESS Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #34
The repugs head for the swings and slides Wednesdays Jan 2020 #97
NBC talking to Amy Klobuchar ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #38
Looking at her now on MSNBC BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #40
nice to hear a competent person speak, eh? Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #42
local broadcast ABC, CBS, NBC left, PBS staying with it Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #44
PBS letting (R) Meadows yak yak yak as Roberts returns to end recess Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #48
****BACK IN SESSION**** BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #46
Question from Senate Armed Services committee - to WH counsel - what is worse BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #47
I think I got this from their talking points underpants Jan 2020 #55
Now complete fabrication from Philbin. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #49
Phil-the-bin-wid-bull claimed no evidence of harm at front lines! Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #53
Note how they never say President Obama malaise Jan 2020 #50
If they showed respect, MAGAts would eat 'em up. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #52
Sideways... better Jan 2020 #94
Angus King - Question for both sets of counsel - Kelly has said "I believe John Bolton" BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #54
Nice move by King. Fox News viewers may not have heard that. underpants Jan 2020 #58
Both Bolton and Kelly mentioned -- should they be heard? Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #56
Suckylow responding first - claiming that this was not real just a chacterization. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #57
can't take much of Sekulow -- all deflection and distraction Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #59
Schiff is eating their collective supper malaise Jan 2020 #62
Schiff responding for the House Managers BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #60
Schiff: let defense call Mick Mulvaney Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #61
Question from Cruz and Hawley - to WH counsel - Whistleblower and (name of someone?) who wanted to BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #63
They may be trying to dull that "take out" phrase that came from trumPutin. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #66
Shame on them for including names in the question. Mersky Jan 2020 #70
whistleblower plot to take out pres?!? wtf, did limbaugh write that question? Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #64
Question from Dems to WH Counsel - When did the Counsel receive the copy of the manuscript BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #68
Philbin is now lying again. The Intelligence committee told the whistleblower to go through BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #65
Q: when did counsel learn of Bolton manuscript? (I think that's what I heard) Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #67
ah, an excuse: contains top secret info Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #69
Popcorn time!!!! Pachamama Jan 2020 #71
Sounds like the WH counsels were blindsided by this whole thing BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #72
Sure.... Pachamama Jan 2020 #73
during break, ABC talker surprised no pointed questions ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #74
Q. from Ernst (Burr, McSally, Sasse, Murran) to WH - Obama and the "lethal weapons to Ukraine" BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #75
yes, absolutely irrelevant -- distraction SQUIRREL Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #76
Ugh. Was a variant on the whole calling training battalions, NATO readiness, armored vehicles, and Mersky Jan 2020 #84
So, today is the Obama impeachment trial? Miles Archer Jan 2020 #77
Now he threw the Sect of Defense under the bus BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #78
Feinstein (Coons, Hirono) - question to House Managers regarding ability to do blanket refusals. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #79
Lofgren responding to this about the issue of these types of refusals. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #80
Zoe Lofgren is excellent malaise Jan 2020 #81
Q. Shelley Capito (R-WV) to WH counsel - question about timing of knowledge of aid and awareness BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #82
Purpura attempting to answer this... BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #83
They keep invoking Bolton. I say we hear from Bolton! nolabear Jan 2020 #86
Q. to House Managers - Is it true that the Ukrainans had no idea the aid was held until the media BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #85
Jason Crow responding - noting that the emails that Laura Cooper received asking status, BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #87
Crow reiterating AGAIN that Congress had to pass special legislation to allow the funds BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #88
Crow - It DOES matter what the President's intent was - that is why we are here. BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #89
Slide: Ukraine Knew About the Hold Early On Mersky Jan 2020 #90
Actually a good question from Collins/Murkowski. nolabear Jan 2020 #91
Q. from Collins (and Murkowski) - WH counsel - Did anyone mention the Bidens before with respect to BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #92
****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/29/20 THREAD 4**** UP BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #93

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
1. Schiff is turning the idiotic hypothetical around - and making it relevant
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:06 PM
Jan 2020

Noting that the President is openly demanding that his justice department to investigate his rivals. And you don't invite a foreign power to do the same.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
2. There's no merit to this purported investigation - Just want to "announce" it.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:09 PM
Jan 2020

Meaning there was no legitimate investigation done - just wanted it announced. Just wanted it to cheat the next election.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
4. Question from Gary Peters (D-MI) - Impeachment for other high crimes and misdemeanors
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:12 PM
Jan 2020

would it only include criminal code or can it be breach of public trust?

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
5. Zoe Lofgren is going through the historical record regarding impeachments
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:13 PM
Jan 2020

and how "criminal" is not required.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
6. Lofgren - defacing a mailbox is a violation of federal law - but that is so minor
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:15 PM
Jan 2020

no one would impeach on that despite it being criminal. But there are activities that are so egregious and dangerous that it requires efforts to deal with, even if not associate with a criminal statute.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
7. Q. (Murkowski) - Argue why any subponea issued before H.R. 660 (Impeachment Inquiry) are invalid
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:17 PM
Jan 2020

WTF??????????????????????????

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
10. WTF IS HE TALKING ABOUT???????????
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:19 PM
Jan 2020

Committees have authority to issue subpoenas.

If you believe his bullshit - then no committee can issue a subpoena unless the entire House allows it. So no oversight can be allowed.

Mersky

(4,982 posts)
14. Yeeaah, he's gonna need them to go ahead and file a TPS report
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:21 PM
Jan 2020

In order to recognize their subpoena powers.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
15. Question to House Managers - Ref. Federalist 65/Hamilton and how impeachment if public servants
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:22 PM
Jan 2020

have had public trust violated.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
19. Nadler mentioning waiving of Executive Privilege once he spoke about Bolton
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:26 PM
Jan 2020

and he also ever claimed any Executive Privilege but claimed "absolute immunity", which has been rejected by every single court.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
24. Sekulow lies. trump didn't invoke executive priv, he ordered that nobody respond ...
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:30 PM
Jan 2020

Witnesses have to show up with counsel to invoke privilege; they were told to ignore subpoenas entirely.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
43. Exactly.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:58 PM
Jan 2020

The Democrats have not mentioned either asteroids or puppies. Surely Jay Sekulow will remind the senators of this.

trueblue2007

(17,228 posts)
95. Benghazi.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:59 PM
Jan 2020

Grab them by the Magic Oscar Meyer Wiener.

Telephone game.

When Harry Met Sally...?

Shall we not focus upon these?

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
96. We must. It is right and just.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 07:07 PM
Jan 2020

Adam Schiff is refusing to comment on efforts to legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair. Jay Sekulow will nail him on this.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
31. Schiff - Amazing how private organizations can get docs from the Admin. based on FOIA
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:38 PM
Jan 2020

but the House can't because they are being blocked to them.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
36. somewhere in the world, it's still too early to drink ...
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:42 PM
Jan 2020

As someone on DU pointed out, any drinking game based on WH counsel lies will be fatal.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
41. Took a quick walk with the dog, around the pond ...
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:55 PM
Jan 2020

Found the carcass of a catfish washed up to the bank. Back of the fish was shredded (probably a snapping turtle); reminded me of what House managers have done to WH 'arguments'. Had to get back in here.

This administration of, by, and for oligarchs and autocrats just can't be ignored while it actively plots to destroy us. We're gonna get 'em!

elleng

(130,967 posts)
45. WOW! (RE: catfish.)
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:06 PM
Jan 2020

HOPE we're gonna get them.

Did they say there will be DINNER break? DO wanna pic up something to go with Kahlua (that's coffee ice cream!,) and bagel for breakfast. Already took a break to help friend pick up car. WHAT to DO???

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
51. take care of you; WE got this :)
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:11 PM
Jan 2020

There are more of US than there are of the destroyers. More and more people are recognizing the fight.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
38. NBC talking to Amy Klobuchar ...
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:49 PM
Jan 2020

Says hopes her colleagues want to talk to the man who was in "The Room Where It Happened". upChuck Toadie asks whatabout Hunter Biden?

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
42. nice to hear a competent person speak, eh?
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 04:56 PM
Jan 2020

I get so tired of hearing Russiapublicans. It's a relief to hear from someone like Klobuchar.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
47. Question from Senate Armed Services committee - to WH counsel - what is worse
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:09 PM
Jan 2020

Drumpf's "delay" in Ukraine aid and Obama's providing no aid for 1000 days.

WTF?

underpants

(182,826 posts)
55. I think I got this from their talking points
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:15 PM
Jan 2020

Okay so Biden “bragged” about telling the Ukrainians - fire that guy or you don’t get the billion dollars.

Trump withheld $391 Million

It’s not exact but 3 years of aid is just over a billion.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
54. Angus King - Question for both sets of counsel - Kelly has said "I believe John Bolton"
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:14 PM
Jan 2020

If there are people who can contribute to this should they are should they not be heard?

underpants

(182,826 posts)
58. Nice move by King. Fox News viewers may not have heard that.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:17 PM
Jan 2020

If Fox mentioned it I doubt they mentioned it very often.

malaise

(269,050 posts)
62. Schiff is eating their collective supper
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:19 PM
Jan 2020

We should be able to call witnesses - and so should the President (relevant witnesses).

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
60. Schiff responding for the House Managers
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:18 PM
Jan 2020

What is the significance of President's former Chief of Staff? The question is whether YOU believe John Bolton.

Ridiculous to assert it would be unprecedented to have no witnesses during a trial or even an impeachment.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
63. Question from Cruz and Hawley - to WH counsel - Whistleblower and (name of someone?) who wanted to
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:21 PM
Jan 2020

"take out the President".

Obvious CT.

Mersky

(4,982 posts)
70. Shame on them for including names in the question.
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:26 PM
Jan 2020

philbin wasn’t gonna speculate, but basically did. And he didn’t know much, but did bring up a range of details. Was gross.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
68. Question from Dems to WH Counsel - When did the Counsel receive the copy of the manuscript
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:25 PM
Jan 2020

and did anyone threaten that Bolton could not publish the book?

HA!!! He's on the defensive.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
65. Philbin is now lying again. The Intelligence committee told the whistleblower to go through
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:23 PM
Jan 2020

the process and he keeps lying about some "secretive process".

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
74. during break, ABC talker surprised no pointed questions ...
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:29 PM
Jan 2020

Talker said each side was giving "soft ball" questions to their own side, but neither had asked the other a pointed question.

That question to WH counsel about Bolton's book was a pointed question, so the soft balls may diminish.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
75. Q. from Ernst (Burr, McSally, Sasse, Murran) to WH - Obama and the "lethal weapons to Ukraine"
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:29 PM
Jan 2020


(same irrelevant talking points)

Mersky

(4,982 posts)
84. Ugh. Was a variant on the whole calling training battalions, NATO readiness, armored vehicles, and
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:43 PM
Jan 2020

Equipment as ‘just blankets’ from we heard from republicans in the House proceedings.

Is why I even know that list of military assistance that President Obama gave to Ukraine in 2014.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
77. So, today is the Obama impeachment trial?
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:31 PM
Jan 2020

For the record, it was reported earlier today that Gym Jacket Off Jordan and Mark Meadows "helped" the Republican senators come up with their questions.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
82. Q. Shelley Capito (R-WV) to WH counsel - question about timing of knowledge of aid and awareness
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:38 PM
Jan 2020

if pause.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
85. Q. to House Managers - Is it true that the Ukrainans had no idea the aid was held until the media
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:44 PM
Jan 2020

reports.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
87. Jason Crow responding - noting that the emails that Laura Cooper received asking status,
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:46 PM
Jan 2020

were just brought up by the WH counsel. So the COPIES of the emails SHOULD BE allowed to be obtained.

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
88. Crow reiterating AGAIN that Congress had to pass special legislation to allow the funds
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:47 PM
Jan 2020

to be spent due to the hold because they would have expired at the end of the FY and there is still $18 million that hasn't been spent.

Mersky

(4,982 posts)
90. Slide: Ukraine Knew About the Hold Early On
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:49 PM
Jan 2020

July 25 - Ex-Top Kyiv Official: “We Had this Information”

Week of July 25 - Cooper: Two Emails That Ukraine Embassy Asking About Aid

July - Croft: Overtures From Ukraine About Aid

Mid-Aug - Lt. Col. Vindman: Receives Light Inquiries From Ukraine Re: Hold

BumRushDaShow

(129,087 posts)
92. Q. from Collins (and Murkowski) - WH counsel - Did anyone mention the Bidens before with respect to
Wed Jan 29, 2020, 05:51 PM
Jan 2020

corruption before Joe Biden announced and was anything mentioned about Poroschenko and corruption in Ukraine.

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