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applegrove

(118,639 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:41 AM Jan 2020

Republicans Say Nothing Is Impeachable

Republicans Say Nothing Is Impeachable

January 30, 2020 at 8:33 am EST By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment

https://politicalwire.com/2020/01/30/republicans-say-nothing-is-impeachable/

"SNIP.....

Jonathan Bernstein: “The impeachment trial of President Trump moved to questions from senators on Wednesday. It wasn’t an encouraging day.”

“The president’s lawyers moved closer than ever to simply embracing the idea that the president can do whatever he wants. Alan Dershowitz even went so far as to argue that since presidents always think that their re-election is in the national interest, they cannot be legitimately impeached for any use of their powers of office to aid that re-election. This would have been good news for President Richard Nixon. And surprising news to pretty much everyone throughout U.S. history.”

“It appears more and more that even if the House managers serving as the impeachment prosecutors are eventually allowed to call one or more witnesses, the trial will end after establishing the principles that the president may use the powers of the office any way he or she wishes to without constraint, and that presidents will no longer have any legal obligation to submit to congressional oversight.”

.....SNIP"

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Republicans Say Nothing Is Impeachable (Original Post) applegrove Jan 2020 OP
The song "The End" keeps playing in my head. BigmanPigman Jan 2020 #1
Sheldon Whitehouse say Dershowitz' preposterous argument resulted applegrove Jan 2020 #2
Hopefully NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #10
That is what i was hoping too. applegrove Jan 2020 #11
They may roll their eyes CanonRay Jan 2020 #24
...if the president is a Republican. tanyev Jan 2020 #3
You are exactly right Rebl2 Jan 2020 #19
They don't care how it sounds. They are getting what they want. FiveGoodMen Jan 2020 #25
Yes with that BUT . . . Iliyah Jan 2020 #4
The whole republican party Andy823 Jan 2020 #6
the truth will come out. bdamomma Jan 2020 #22
Nah, they are saying nothing a REPUBLICAN does is impeachable. lark Jan 2020 #5
Never give up Andy823 Jan 2020 #7
The extreme sense of urgency that all of us must feel can't be mollified Eyeball_Kid Jan 2020 #17
Never give up bdamomma Jan 2020 #23
Where the HELL is Scarsdale Jan 2020 #29
I was wondering the same thing bdamomma Jan 2020 #31
what else would a corrupt GOP Senator say rockfordfile Jan 2020 #8
Bribery and political financial coercion are just fine. gordianot Jan 2020 #9
What they're NOT saying is that this only applies to republican presidents. spanone Jan 2020 #12
Fuck you, Dershowitz, and your creepy triangle hand position!! ElementaryPenguin Jan 2020 #13
According to Alan Dershowitz jcgoldie Jan 2020 #14
So the secret is out, and it's all been held by the GOP until now. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2020 #15
Kick dalton99a Jan 2020 #16
That's only going to cause more republicans to get voted out of office duforsure Jan 2020 #18
GOCP - Grand Old Criminal Party rickyhall Jan 2020 #20
Won't be a problem for retrumplicans in future, 'cause only retrumplicans will be POTUSes. Texin Jan 2020 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author usaf-vet Jan 2020 #26
Otherwise known as "The Narcissism Defence" TubbersUK Jan 2020 #27
Slippery CajunD Jan 2020 #28
welcome to DU gopiscrap Jan 2020 #36
Democracy is being drowned in the bathtub C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #30
Except... OneCrazyDiamond Jan 2020 #32
Now they're desperately trying to con people into believing duforsure Jan 2020 #33
Such power would extend beyond mere reelection... Purrfessor Jan 2020 #34
It Is Amazing How Much DallasNE Jan 2020 #35

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
4. Yes with that BUT . . .
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:55 AM
Jan 2020

A Democrat will win the presidency - 2020, then what say you Republicans. Karma is a bitch.

And there will be more damaging information coming forth. That is why Republicans are rushing and pushing a acquittal. Bottom line, shithole has been "impeach" and that will never be erased.

Republicans will be defending him all the up to the elections.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
6. The whole republican party
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:03 AM
Jan 2020

is corrupt, and they know the truth will put many of them in legal trouble, especially trump and leaders like Mitch.

If they get trump out of this mess, they will see the biggest blue wave in history come November. The people WANT the truth, except for the trump cult followers, and if they pull this off the vast majority of this country are not going to go along with it. Sooner or later the truth will come out, and they will pay.

lark

(23,097 posts)
5. Nah, they are saying nothing a REPUBLICAN does is impeachable.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:59 AM
Jan 2020

All Democrats have to follow the law but no Repugs are held accountable is what the true aim is. Guarantee that is their objective and they seem to be accomplishing that with this cover-up. The only question is will America hold them accountable and even if we vote correctly, what will the final hacked tallies say? Sorry, I just feel so hopeless right now.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
7. Never give up
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:05 AM
Jan 2020

thats the they want us to do. The trolls here are doing their best to get people to give up and accept what is going to happen. We can't let them win.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,431 posts)
17. The extreme sense of urgency that all of us must feel can't be mollified
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:14 AM
Jan 2020

by ambivalence, by distractions, by equivocations. Our alarm must be at a fever pitch, RIGHT NOW.

Reading the funnies won't help. Listening to Colbert won't help. Laughing at the cold open on SNL won't help.

I've been compulsive with repeating the simple phrase, "When the Senate acquits, the Constitution dies." This is not a call to "give up." This is a call to express alarm, outrage, and an urgent need to call the Senate's coming action as a national emergency.

The image I have is of an ant hill in which all ants in the colony go about their business in an orderly (algorithmic) fashion. Then someone kicks the hill, and the activity to save the colony goes into overdrive, with ants scurrying every which way, frantically trying to restore order and survive.

Trump and the GOP have kicked the ant hill.

bdamomma

(63,845 posts)
23. Never give up
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:43 AM
Jan 2020

this is want they want, they are psychologically wearing us down, but we must persevere this is our country, and there is no way we will bend to the sick whims of this POS who stole the office of Presidency.

Repigs are finished no matter what they say.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
29. Where the HELL is
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 12:02 PM
Jan 2020

John Roberts in all of this mess? Surely he has an opinion, one way or the other. His cushy job will be on the line, too, if we end up with KING tRump. The SC will be taken out of existance, like every other agency.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
9. Bribery and political financial coercion are just fine.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:18 AM
Jan 2020

As easy to by bypass as sexual assault and pedophilia. I expect some actual murders on 5th Avenue. Why would anyone expect impeachment to be bothersome?

spanone

(135,830 posts)
12. What they're NOT saying is that this only applies to republican presidents.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:22 AM
Jan 2020

As soon as a democrat is elected that will be null and void

ElementaryPenguin

(7,800 posts)
13. Fuck you, Dershowitz, and your creepy triangle hand position!!
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:33 AM
Jan 2020

Must be what he does when he's channeling particularly gruesome legal arguments from Roy Cohn and/or Bill Barr!!

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
14. According to Alan Dershowitz
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:35 AM
Jan 2020

Every stupid and corrupt motherfucking thing the president does is in our national interest... who knew?!?

Eyeball_Kid

(7,431 posts)
15. So the secret is out, and it's all been held by the GOP until now.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:05 AM
Jan 2020

WE ALL KNOW that an acquittal affirms the new reality of national governance: That Presidents are above the law, that Presidents are immune from accountability. That the Constitutional duty to impeach is no longer functional. That Trump will rule as an autocratic dictator. This is what the GOP wants. This is what they've wanted all along. Trump can now commit crimes left and right, and the GOP will give him absolute immunity. He's lawless, and he'll take full advantage of it.

All of the GOP supports this new definition of executive power. They all must know that when they vote to acquit, they are voting for a dictatorship. They are allowed to play all kinds of political games until they vote. Then it all gets real. For them, for us, and for Trump.

We're (likely) one day away from the end of the Constitution, the end of the United States of America, as defined by the founding documents. Enjoy every moment until then.

It's 90% certain that Putin has won, that Trump has won, that the GOP has won. Everyone else loses.

The one last hope is the witness vote. If there's a vote to allow witnesses, the death of the Constitution is delayed with no prognosis for recovery. Twenty GOP Senators have to give Trump the middle finger in order to preserve the Constitution. But there are enough GOP backbones to fill a thimble. They'll all march along to the beat of Trump's hand motions when he's flashing the white power symbol.

The belly of the country ought to be very upset right now. We'll hear siren calls for all of the nation to rise up and vote them out of office. Those sirens will be going off right after the acquittal. But it won't matter because the GOP will take the meaning of elections away. If they have to, they'll cancel the election to maintain power. They already have control over vote tabulating machines in several states, and can hack them without leaving a trace. They'll encourage Trump to use the Patriot Act powers to cancel the election.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
18. That's only going to cause more republicans to get voted out of office
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:17 AM
Jan 2020

Plus cutting Health care, Medicare, Social Security and others issues.

Response to applegrove (Original post)

CajunD

(1 post)
28. Slippery
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:58 AM
Jan 2020

I think this could all play into Democratic hands in this election cycle.

"Not ONLY are they corrupt...but they have essentially defanged the impeachment process to protect their corruption."

The election will come down to which group of voters is bigger: those who think the Impeachment itself was nonsense or those who think the failure of the Impeachment was injustice.

This entire thing has become an electoral shorthand. Who will be more strategic about using it?

C_U_L8R

(45,001 posts)
30. Democracy is being drowned in the bathtub
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 12:04 PM
Jan 2020

The Republican dream is being fulfilled. The chosen one will rule all.

OneCrazyDiamond

(2,031 posts)
32. Except...
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 12:35 PM
Jan 2020

Perjury about an extra-marital affair, between two consenting adults, within The Oval Office. They would beat that dead horse to this day, if they could.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
33. Now they're desperately trying to con people into believing
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 12:41 PM
Jan 2020

Crimes are not crimes when trump does them, and sounds very familiar to what Nixon tried to claim. Its not a crime if he does them. What next money laundering, murder, destruction of evidence are legal when he does them too?

Purrfessor

(1,188 posts)
34. Such power would extend beyond mere reelection...
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 12:43 PM
Jan 2020

as a president could proclaim that his every decision and every act he takes feeds into the importance of his reelection, and therefore he cannot be challenged on anything, criminal or otherwise since even the threat of an investigation or impeachment is beyond the capacity of Congress to implement since it would have a negative impact on his reelection chances.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
35. It Is Amazing How Much
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 03:57 PM
Jan 2020

Money completely clouds over thinking and even moral thought. Selfishness roams supreme. Patriotism becomes a naughty word. That is Trumpism in a shell.

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