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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTime: A U.S. Plane Crashed in Afghanistan. Why So Many Believed a CIA Chief Was On It.
https://time.com/5775758/military-crash-cia-disinformation/
The wreckage of a US Bombardier E-11A jet is seen after it crashed in mountainous territory of Ghazni Province, Afghanistan, on January 27, 2020. STR/AFP/Getty
BY KIMBERLY DOZIER UPDATED: FEBRUARY 1, 2020 9:22 AM ET | ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: JANUARY 31, 2020
The wreckage of a U.S. military plane that crashed and burned in a snowy mountainous region in Afghanistan on Monday was still fresh when Iranian state TV ran a story claiming a top CIA officer was among the dead. Like all good propaganda, the story was mostly false, but with a scintilla of truth. Two American service members had been killed when the U.S. Air Force jet slammed into the snowy ground, but U.S. officials insist there was no CIA onboard.
A combination of bad weather and Taliban gunfire kept U.S. and Afghan forces from reaching the site for more than a day. By the time the U.S. military put out a brief statement saying that the downed plane carried two U.S. Air Force pilots, the dubious story had spread around the globe.
After a couple of fringy Iranian and pro-Kremlin news outlets reported that Michael DAndrea, head of the CIAs Iran Mission Center, was onboard the E-11A communications jet, the story was picked up in The Daily Mail, a major British tabloid, and a second British newspaper, The Independent, carried the news of DAndreas alleged demise to London, albeit with some skepticism. While the Pentagon confirmed to TIME on Friday that there were only two Air Force officers on the plane, none of the official public statements say they were the only passengers. And the CIA has refused to comment on whether DAndrea or any other CIA personnel were onboard.
The U.S. military says it could not have gotten the news out sooner. But the Iranian version of events that circulated in the information vacuum had people inside and outside the U.S. wondering who to believe. The Trump Administrations now-familiar pattern of slow, incomplete and sometimes disingenuous responses to events has ground down public and internal trust of its messaging and created an opportunity for adversaries like Iran and Russia to spread disinformation and sow confusion among allies and U.S. officials. The wrong information can spread about an event whether it happened on a remote Afghan mountainside or a maximum-security American compound. If false reports are not authoritatively or convincingly disproven, they can take on a life of their own, James Cunningham, former U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan told TIME. Once that happens, its very hard to undo that.
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The wreckage of a US Bombardier E-11A jet is seen after it crashed in mountainous territory of Ghazni Province, Afghanistan, on January 27, 2020. STR/AFP/Getty
BY KIMBERLY DOZIER UPDATED: FEBRUARY 1, 2020 9:22 AM ET | ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: JANUARY 31, 2020
The wreckage of a U.S. military plane that crashed and burned in a snowy mountainous region in Afghanistan on Monday was still fresh when Iranian state TV ran a story claiming a top CIA officer was among the dead. Like all good propaganda, the story was mostly false, but with a scintilla of truth. Two American service members had been killed when the U.S. Air Force jet slammed into the snowy ground, but U.S. officials insist there was no CIA onboard.
A combination of bad weather and Taliban gunfire kept U.S. and Afghan forces from reaching the site for more than a day. By the time the U.S. military put out a brief statement saying that the downed plane carried two U.S. Air Force pilots, the dubious story had spread around the globe.
After a couple of fringy Iranian and pro-Kremlin news outlets reported that Michael DAndrea, head of the CIAs Iran Mission Center, was onboard the E-11A communications jet, the story was picked up in The Daily Mail, a major British tabloid, and a second British newspaper, The Independent, carried the news of DAndreas alleged demise to London, albeit with some skepticism. While the Pentagon confirmed to TIME on Friday that there were only two Air Force officers on the plane, none of the official public statements say they were the only passengers. And the CIA has refused to comment on whether DAndrea or any other CIA personnel were onboard.
The U.S. military says it could not have gotten the news out sooner. But the Iranian version of events that circulated in the information vacuum had people inside and outside the U.S. wondering who to believe. The Trump Administrations now-familiar pattern of slow, incomplete and sometimes disingenuous responses to events has ground down public and internal trust of its messaging and created an opportunity for adversaries like Iran and Russia to spread disinformation and sow confusion among allies and U.S. officials. The wrong information can spread about an event whether it happened on a remote Afghan mountainside or a maximum-security American compound. If false reports are not authoritatively or convincingly disproven, they can take on a life of their own, James Cunningham, former U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan told TIME. Once that happens, its very hard to undo that.
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Time: A U.S. Plane Crashed in Afghanistan. Why So Many Believed a CIA Chief Was On It. (Original Post)
Dennis Donovan
Feb 2020
OP
Pardon my ignorance, but if it's a false statement, how did they come up with that name?
Firestorm49
Feb 2020
#1
I think "Russian intelligence" knows a lot more nowadays than they used to.
Dennis Donovan
Feb 2020
#5
Firestorm49
(4,036 posts)1. Pardon my ignorance, but if it's a false statement, how did they come up with that name?
Did they just make it up and, BAM, it just so happens to be a CIA officer?
What a coincidence.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)2. Here's an example of the alleged 'disinformation' :
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200128-cia-chief-behind-soleimanis-assassination-killed-in-downed-plane-in-afghanistan/
Refers to "Russian intelligence" as source.
Refers to "Russian intelligence" as source.
Mosby
(16,342 posts)3. Note the use of veterans today as a source
What does russian intelligence, vt, memo all have in common?
Antisemitic conspiracy theories.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)4. Referencing VT certainly leads one to doubt any
possible veracity.
While your observation regarding worrying rampant and ignorant antisemitism (as distinct from anti-zionism in the political sense) is accurate, nevertheless, crying 'wolf' too frequently can be counterproductive.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)5. I think "Russian intelligence" knows a lot more nowadays than they used to.
Key question is, has anyone seen Michael DAndrea since the crash? I haven't heard (but I haven't looked, either).
On edit: I googled him and filtered down to the past week. Not a single article says for sure he's still alive.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)6. Yep. Thanks for the thread, Dennis.