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DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 08:44 PM Feb 2020

List of people who can't attend caucuses -

Single parents
Anyone who works two jobs
Anyone who works evening hours
Differently abled

List of people who won't attend caucuses -

Business owners
School Board Members
County Commissioners
Ministers of mainstream faiths
City Council Members
Head of or employees of service organizations that survive on donations
School teachers
Insurance agents
City/County employees
State employees
Federal employees
Prominent members of community service groups: Example BPW, Kiwanis Club,
Civitan

All of the second group above would attend if they could just write something on a piece of paper and put it in a box.


I am sure I am missing some groups.

Anyone?





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List of people who can't attend caucuses - (Original Post) DURHAM D Feb 2020 OP
people who are uncomfortable in crowds Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #1
people who already have enough stress in their life Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #5
absolutely Ex Lurker Feb 2020 #31
Elderly C_U_L8R Feb 2020 #2
Good point. Thank you. nt DURHAM D Feb 2020 #3
And not able to stand on their feet for hours! catrose Feb 2020 #27
Parents who can't arrange for child care Maru Kitteh Feb 2020 #4
Good points. nt DURHAM D Feb 2020 #8
The veterans I care for almost every day who served in the name of democracy would be Maru Kitteh Feb 2020 #14
I've been to caucuses. I don't think the list of people who *won't* attend The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #6
What was the approximate population of the caucus area? DURHAM D Feb 2020 #7
I don't recall but I think there were probably over 100. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #9
You can hide in an urban area. DURHAM D Feb 2020 #10
Nevada does the Caucus system maynard Feb 2020 #11
The Caucus System is Not Perfect - But, It Works Better Than You Might Guess waterwatcher123 Feb 2020 #12
Most places it takes 3-4 hours before they vote. DURHAM D Feb 2020 #13
Our caucuses had several rounds LisaM Feb 2020 #29
OK - got it. TomSlick Feb 2020 #15
It isn't up to "the people". nt DURHAM D Feb 2020 #16
OK, I'll bite. TomSlick Feb 2020 #18
The Chamber and tourism industry. nt DURHAM D Feb 2020 #19
An Iowa tourism industry? TomSlick Feb 2020 #20
Actually I should of said the Hotel and Restaurant Association. DURHAM D Feb 2020 #21
Or, it could just be that the folks of Iowa like their quirky system. TomSlick Feb 2020 #22
They can like it all they want. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #28
I hope you are right. TomSlick Feb 2020 #33
think about how much money is poured into iowa Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #23
Geeze, if I had to vote like that I'd move to a different state. Talitha Feb 2020 #17
Are you aware that the VAST majority of people in Iowa don't really Bettie Feb 2020 #24
K&R the dang thing are 1 more anachronism needing to be abolished like what the Repukes did UTUSN Feb 2020 #25
people without transportation, especially in non-urban areas.... getagrip_already Feb 2020 #26
The solution is super-simple: Remove Iowa's first state status. jpljr77 Feb 2020 #30
Lots of people can't do crowds, noise and mess. I could not have done a caucus for anything. krissey Feb 2020 #32

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
1. people who are uncomfortable in crowds
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 08:47 PM
Feb 2020

people who are uncomfortable with peer pressure
people who don't like loud
introverts
people with PTSD

Ex Lurker

(3,816 posts)
31. absolutely
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:37 PM
Feb 2020

I'll take ten minutes on my way home from work to vote. The last thing I want to do on a February weeknight is hang out in a high school cafeteria for several hours arguing about presidential candidates.

Maru Kitteh

(28,342 posts)
4. Parents who can't arrange for child care
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 08:53 PM
Feb 2020

Nursing home residents
People with compromised immune symptoms who need to avoid large groups of people
Those simply not feeling well that day
People in hospital or those who have recently undergone challenging procedures

Maru Kitteh

(28,342 posts)
14. The veterans I care for almost every day who served in the name of democracy would be
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 10:08 PM
Feb 2020

excluded from having their voices heard tonight. That alone is more than enough for me to call the caucus process absolute bullshit.




The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
6. I've been to caucuses. I don't think the list of people who *won't* attend
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 09:05 PM
Feb 2020

is accurate; I know teachers and state employees attend (I was both for a time); so do members of the clergy, businesspeople and just about anybody else who can make it and is interested. However, the people who dominate the caucuses are typically either the loudest partisans or the people who are part of the local party machinery and know the rules inside and out - and how to manipulate them. Sometimes the party operatives are the noisiest activists. So you have to be prepared not to be managed, shamed or bullied. The process is not democratic; it excludes too many and intimidates too many others.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
7. What was the approximate population of the caucus area?
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 09:11 PM
Feb 2020

Were they required to stand/sit in a specific area?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
9. I don't recall but I think there were probably over 100.
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 09:25 PM
Feb 2020

This was a precinct in a large urban area. I remember that we were in a large room and ended up moving around into groups based on which candidate we were caucusing for.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
10. You can hide in an urban area.
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 09:27 PM
Feb 2020

In rural America everyone knows everyone. My caucus is one whole town with a population of approximately 40,000.

maynard

(657 posts)
11. Nevada does the Caucus system
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 09:40 PM
Feb 2020

Too time consuming. I did it once and I won't ever do it again. There needs to be a better way. I went to the precinct caucus. That was good because Hillary showed up outside and I got some great pictures. Again, too many people who did not know what they were doing because it is only done every 4 years. Time consuming. By default, I was able to go to the county caucus...on a different day. Too many people who did not know what they were doing. People were impatient and tried to take over. Only one vendor selling food. Line was long and they ran out of food. A lot of people left. People were passionate about their candidates and tempers flared. One whole day of my life that I was never going to get back. Time to go back to primaries. One person, one vote. done and recorded.

waterwatcher123

(144 posts)
12. The Caucus System is Not Perfect - But, It Works Better Than You Might Guess
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 09:44 PM
Feb 2020

I have been a precinct captain in our state's caucuses multiple times. It was held in a high school in the evening and folks could easily drop by for a moment with their kids in tow, vote in the preferential straw poll and be out the door in in a span of 10 minutes. I am very disappointed that our state decided to abandon the caucus system because it will dissuade some of the most dedicated volunteers from helping elect democrats to office. I am not sure how attendance compares between caucus goers and primary voters. But, the data seem to suggest that primary voters turn out in pretty low numbers absent some high profile candidate or issue that drives them to the ballot box (still pretty abysmal turn out of registered voters in most states).

LisaM

(27,827 posts)
29. Our caucuses had several rounds
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:06 PM
Feb 2020

And in some precincts in 2016 there were people deliberately making it go on for hours to essentially force attrition (which worked, sadly). Young college kids could stay all day and night.

TomSlick

(11,108 posts)
18. OK, I'll bite.
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 10:49 PM
Feb 2020

Who makes the decision if not elected officials who can be voted out of office by "the people?"

 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
28. They can like it all they want.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 11:59 AM
Feb 2020

They can even keep it. But it’s unlikely they will be keeping both the caucus and their first in the nation status next time around.

TomSlick

(11,108 posts)
33. I hope you are right.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:41 PM
Feb 2020

The first votes should not be in either Iowa or New Hampshire. It would be difficult to find two states more unrepresentative of the country.

If I could have my druthers, I would like to see a nationwide primary. I don't know if or how that gets done but it would be a great improvement.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
23. think about how much money is poured into iowa
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 08:29 AM
Feb 2020

in the year running up to the primary

difficult to risk that kind of economic boost

Talitha

(6,611 posts)
17. Geeze, if I had to vote like that I'd move to a different state.
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 10:48 PM
Feb 2020

This IS their primary?
Do they have a mail-in capability?
I honestly can't understand why people put up with it.

Bettie

(16,122 posts)
24. Are you aware that the VAST majority of people in Iowa don't really
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 09:40 AM
Feb 2020

like the caucus.

It is, however, our process...and most of us have zero power in choosing how any of this happens.

Also, we had members of all the groups you mention that "won't" attend caucuses at ours last night...though I don't think we have any federal employees in town.

I don't like the caucuses, but I also don't like people acting as if all Iowans are just trying to keep their neighbors from voting.

No one listens to the "non-important" people. Anywhere. The big cats are the ones making all the decisions and we make do with whatever we need to. No one cares what we think and that has been the case in EVERY state I've lived in.

UTUSN

(70,725 posts)
25. K&R the dang thing are 1 more anachronism needing to be abolished like what the Repukes did
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 11:40 AM
Feb 2020

to the Constitution.






getagrip_already

(14,825 posts)
26. people without transportation, especially in non-urban areas....
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 11:46 AM
Feb 2020

And even in desmoin, buses are on a hub and spoke system designed for in/out transit, not cross town.

So if it is beyond walking distance, you are not going to make it.

jpljr77

(1,004 posts)
30. The solution is super-simple: Remove Iowa's first state status.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:29 PM
Feb 2020

They blew it. They're 90%+ white. They keep sending Steve King back to Washington.

The state does not represent America any longer.

Make them scramble with the other states and they'll drop their silly caucuses because there will be no reason to keep them.

 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
32. Lots of people can't do crowds, noise and mess. I could not have done a caucus for anything.
Tue Feb 4, 2020, 02:55 PM
Feb 2020

Nor do I have the patience to be in confined spaces for hours.

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