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mysteryowl

(7,395 posts)
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 10:51 AM Feb 2020

Kobe Bryant helicopter had nearly cleared blinding clouds

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The pilot of the helicopter that crashed and killed Kobe Bryant and eight others was almost out of blinding clouds when he suddenly plunged and crashed into a Southern California hillside, investigators and aviation experts indicated.

The helicopter was just 100 feet (30 meters) from the cloud tops and conceivably would have broken through into clear air in a matter of seconds. Air traffic controllers had advised Zobayan that the cloud tops were at 2,400 feet (731.5 meters.) Camera footage later reviewed by the NTSB showed nearby clouds at that estimated height.

They have also determined it was NOT engine failure.

https://apnews.com/9d82178792111e4db5b16ee0ddfc8539

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Kobe Bryant helicopter had nearly cleared blinding clouds (Original Post) mysteryowl Feb 2020 OP
I flew in a cloud once and got instantly disoriented..... mitch96 Feb 2020 #1
Like the Kennedy crash! Nt USALiberal Feb 2020 #2
If he was licensed to fly passengers, therefore 'commercial'... Wounded Bear Feb 2020 #3
I have to look that up. Do you have to be instrument rated to fly commercial.. mitch96 Feb 2020 #4
I may be wrong about that one... Wounded Bear Feb 2020 #6
I live about five miles from the accident scene. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #7
This is what I have heard, and it's pretty strange jmowreader Feb 2020 #8
I think it was the infamous "get home itis".. He wanted to get Kobe to his destination fast mitch96 Feb 2020 #9
Pilot hubris/error DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #5

mitch96

(13,924 posts)
1. I flew in a cloud once and got instantly disoriented.....
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:06 AM
Feb 2020

I had to not believe my senses and look at the artificial horizon to tell which way was up..I pushed the stick down and popped out... Very disconcerting to say the least.. Maybe the pilot got vertigo?
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Wounded Bear

(58,685 posts)
3. If he was licensed to fly passengers, therefore 'commercial'...
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:10 AM
Feb 2020

I should think he has been instrument certified. But it only takes a second or two to have a disaster.

"I almost made it" are a lot of pilots' last words.

mitch96

(13,924 posts)
4. I have to look that up. Do you have to be instrument rated to fly commercial..
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:21 AM
Feb 2020

I know just taking passengers for rides in gliders needed a commercial but not instrument rating.
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Wounded Bear

(58,685 posts)
6. I may be wrong about that one...
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:26 AM
Feb 2020

I took pilot training many years ago, never actually got my license, though I got to where I soloed a couple of times.

Never got close to comm, though my instructor did familiarize me with instrument flying in flight using a hood.

In many ways, it sounds like they shouldn't have been up there. Tragic crash.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
7. I live about five miles from the accident scene.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:29 AM
Feb 2020

There were reports the copter was flying one hundred feet from the ground at times. Can that be true? One hundred feet is a small distance. It's probably the height of a six story apartment building.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
8. This is what I have heard, and it's pretty strange
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:01 PM
Feb 2020

Before a pilot can request an Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) clearance, the pilot, the aircraft and the company that owns it all have to be approved for IFR flight.

In this case, the pilot had his Instrument rating, the aircraft was IFR certified (all S-76 helicopters are), but the company did not have approval for IFR flights.

The root cause of this accident was going up in fog so bad it grounded the police.

mitch96

(13,924 posts)
9. I think it was the infamous "get home itis".. He wanted to get Kobe to his destination fast
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 02:43 PM
Feb 2020

I believe with IFR the tower tells you where, when and what route to take. This can take some time. Just my speculation....
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