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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 03:32 PM Sep 2012

Okay, here is Romney's Map (IMO)

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=wNf

This is Romey's path to 270 as I am guessing his campaign envisions it. It's threading the needle, but based on this week's ad buying activity my hunch is that this is pretty much the scenario they are shooting for as their baseline minimum.

This scenario has a funny wrinkle, in that turning New Hampshire blue on this map doesn't help. Then it is a tie at 269 and Boehnner installs Romney. (Though Biden would be VP)

(If they got OH the whole thing changes around, of course, but they seem to be de-emphasizing the rust belt. If Ohio was red then some combination of NV, CO and VA would have to offset it. Perversely, if Mitt got OH and turned out the mormons in NV and we got CO and VA it would also be 269-269)

On edit: But if we get one district in NE (which splits its electors by district) then both aformentioned tie scenarios go away.

In any event... if we get OH then our bare minimum needed is for one of the states shown red on this map to be blue.

Which state shown red here do you think we are likeliest to win? (We might win ten of them. I am not saying all states shown red here are actually states Romney will win. I'm just asking which of these is likeliest to sink Mitt's path to 270.)

In case the link doesn't work, it is an electoral map with these states in red to total 273: AK, NV, ID, UT, AZ, MT, WY, CO, ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, TX, IA, MO, AR, LA, IN, KY, TN, MS, AL, WV, VA, NC, SC, GA, FL, NH

http://www.270towin.com/index.php

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Okay, here is Romney's Map (IMO) (Original Post) cthulu2016 Sep 2012 OP
Nevada Hamlette Sep 2012 #1
Based upon the polls and demographics, VA and NV. Dawson Leery Sep 2012 #2
NV, CO, IA, NH will all go blue, I think. of FL, VA, NC - at least one will go blue. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2012 #3
Just an FYI - we will win one of the districts in Nebraska LynneSin Sep 2012 #4
I considered that. cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #7
As far as I know Maine has never split (but it could) LynneSin Sep 2012 #12
Interesting - so that one added to Obama and subtracted from Mitt means no tie if we win NH? karynnj Sep 2012 #9
right cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #14
if that is true, then Romney must have NH right? Hamlette Sep 2012 #10
Romney is in the running in OH and WI BlueStreak Sep 2012 #5
I agree, but he doesn't seem to cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #13
somebody posted a story recently that Romney... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #16
I don't believe that he is pulling out of WI BlueStreak Sep 2012 #18
In case you are not watching Nate, here's a link. Hamlette Sep 2012 #6
I think we have a better chance in Florida than is being polled justiceischeap Sep 2012 #8
Dems have done a deplorable job of making that case. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #19
couldn't agree more. imagine having to go out and shop for insurance in your dotage.... Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #25
It is completely insane. How many 80-year-olds can do this? BlueStreak Sep 2012 #28
NV, VA and CO are a reach for Romney. apnu Sep 2012 #11
Romney can win without NV and CO. He has almost no chance without VA. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #20
I think NH will go red Robyn66 Sep 2012 #15
Nate has NH at 83.4% chance of an Obama win. Hamlette Sep 2012 #22
That's AWESOME! Robyn66 Sep 2012 #30
I'm betting Obama's got CO, NH, and VA. Fresh_Start Sep 2012 #17
I agree, but that only gets 269 electors BlueStreak Sep 2012 #23
I thought WI was a given Fresh_Start Sep 2012 #24
That was a smokescreen or else just a misunderstanding. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #29
I know Ohio and Florida are the big ones quinnox Sep 2012 #21
Even with both OH and FL abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #27
He could even lose New Hampshire and still win. I know, its a 269-269 tie but they win Rowdyboy Sep 2012 #26
In the event of a tie in the electoral college cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #32
My bold prediction: Romney will win Utah. Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #31

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
4. Just an FYI - we will win one of the districts in Nebraska
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 03:37 PM
Sep 2012

Omaha is pretty solid blue area and will give their vote to Obama

I think the key battleground states are going to be Colorado, Virginia, Florida, North Carolina and possibly Missouri if Akin stays in the senate race. If he wins even the smallest of those states, Colorado, he wins.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
7. I considered that.
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 03:39 PM
Sep 2012

And that would make it 270-268 only the Romney map if we won NH.

So yes, you are correct that that could potentially come into play.

And ditto for romney winning on district in Maine, though I don't know that that's likely.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
12. As far as I know Maine has never split (but it could)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 03:42 PM
Sep 2012

And after the LaPage fiasco I think Maine voters are fedup with the GOP

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
5. Romney is in the running in OH and WI
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 03:39 PM
Sep 2012

Either of those two states is just as likely as VA, if not more so, especially considering that Goode will be on the ballot in VA.
http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stories/20223/virgil-goode-wins-place-on-virginia-presidential-ballot

This is nowhere near a done deal.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
13. I agree, but he doesn't seem to
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 03:43 PM
Sep 2012

I was just going by the states with increased media and the states with decreased media. Romney will be hitting VA hard (and expensive market, because the DC area is so inefficient being only 1/3 VA) but doesn't seem to be as optimistic about OH.


We cannot see their internal polling, but it sppears that they have written of WI, so their view is probably bleaker than indicated by punblished polls.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
18. I don't believe that he is pulling out of WI
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 04:33 PM
Sep 2012

I think there was a story this AM of a new media buy in 8 states including WI.

Please Ryan needs to do some campaigning in WI or else he's lose his House seat too. So they really have to keep running in WI. It is close and Walker probably has some dirty tricks up his sleeve.

I do believe that PA may be out of reach for them. Every time Romney takes a state out of contention, that helps Obama. That allows Obama to concentrate his more limited media funds. If Romney really has a huge cache of money (and I doubt all of that is real) I'd think it would be smart for Romney to keep spending in states that are not super-close -- just to stretch Obama's budget.

If Romney has truly pulled out of PA and MI, that tells me his billionaires are pulling back some of their promises.

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
6. In case you are not watching Nate, here's a link.
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 03:39 PM
Sep 2012
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

He has a great interactive map giving odds. Remember, he was accurate in all but one state (NC I think?) in 2008.

He also gives us a 77% of winning over all as of today. It was in the high 60s last week.

He's my xanax.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
8. I think we have a better chance in Florida than is being polled
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 03:39 PM
Sep 2012

at the moment. If the Dems can convince the seniors that RMoney will take away their benefits, it's gonna tilt to Obama.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
19. Dems have done a deplorable job of making that case.
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 04:38 PM
Sep 2012

They can win the whole election on that one issue, adn they seem completely inept at explaining what Ryan is up to.

They can't just say it is "Vouchercare". They have to explain what that means. They have done a piss=poor job of explaining it. There is still time, but they have to get to work.

It is the end of Medicare. Not "as we know it". it is the end of Medicare, PERIOD. You will get a voucher, which is just a piece of paper that says the government will provide PART of the cost of buying insurance from United Healthcare, Aetna, Anthem etc. You are own your own to buy the policy and if you are 80 with the usual set of health problems, there is no way that voucher will cover your insurance.

So before long we will have 15,000,000 seniors out there WITHOUT ANY COVERAGE AT ALL. What are we going to do with 15M seniors show up at the ER?

Why is this so hard for Democrats to explain?

This should not even be close.

It is a crime that we pissed away 3 nights of national TV coverage without anybody taking even 5 minutes to explain this in plain English.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
25. couldn't agree more. imagine having to go out and shop for insurance in your dotage....
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:03 PM
Sep 2012

then have to argue about coverage

can't believe they aren't pounding this into the ground

look how Bush, etal dropped the privatizing SS hot potato. why isn't this same thing happening now? what role are media playing? they're always the wild card, as they control 'information' flow

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
28. It is completely insane. How many 80-year-olds can do this?
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 12:26 AM
Sep 2012

Hell, it is hard enough to keep my parents from being ripped off by your average neighborhood con artist. They would have no chance dealing with a big insurance company.

Moreover, what company is going to want to write insurance on 80-year-olds? The only reason Medicare works is that it includes the relatively healthy 65-year-olds in the rating pool.

Why is nobody talking about this?

apnu

(8,756 posts)
11. NV, VA and CO are a reach for Romney.
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 03:41 PM
Sep 2012

So is NH for that matter. FL... Who can tell? I do think that state is a coin toss.

Nate Silver has OH a 71.8% probability for Obama today and CO a 71.9% probability. I don't see how CO is going for Romney unless Obama does something stupid of epic proportions.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
23. I agree, but that only gets 269 electors
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 10:57 PM
Sep 2012

If Obama gets those 4 (CO, NH, NV, and VA) and none of the other swing states, it is a 269-269 tie.

See http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=wUx

Obama has to get Iowa or Wisconsin too (assuming that Romney wins FL, NC, and OH.)

But in that scenario, if Obama wins WI, then he can lose either CO or NV and still have 270.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
24. I thought WI was a given
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 10:58 PM
Sep 2012

I remember stories about Romney campaign pulling out from WI as in cutting ad spending.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
29. That was a smokescreen or else just a misunderstanding.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 12:28 AM
Sep 2012

WI is close and they can't afford to give it up. Besides, Ryan has to campaign there anyway in order to try to keep his seat.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
21. I know Ohio and Florida are the big ones
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 04:49 PM
Sep 2012

If Obama wins both, he very likely wins. If Romney wins both, he likely wins. If they split, then it is extremely close, and could go either way, but Obama has an edge.

abumbyanyothername

(2,711 posts)
27. Even with both OH and FL
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:58 PM
Sep 2012

rMoney is only 50/50.

But it's all ridiculous because his chances of winning OH even with suppression is 0%.

You cannot flush a state's entire economy and then hope to win an election there.

No matter how bad Obama has been on economics (according to their view) he is miles ahead of "let Detroit go bankrupt."

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
26. He could even lose New Hampshire and still win. I know, its a 269-269 tie but they win
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:45 PM
Sep 2012

under those circumstances. Each state get one vote in case of a tie. Its complex but they would still win even with a tie.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
32. In the event of a tie in the electoral college
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 01:35 PM
Sep 2012

the president is chosen by the house of representatives and the VP by the senate.

And since Republicans have a lot of little states the prevail whether voting by representaive or voting by state.

So we need better than a tie.

And this is why Gore could never have been President. The House would have had sufficient cover (by their standards) to just reject Florida's slate of electors as irregular/messed-up, which they can do, in which case nobody has 270 and the House picks Bush.

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