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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 03:32 PM Sep 2012

Health Care Costs: It is a Corruption Problem Not "Waste"

When I hear the word “waste” I feel it almost implies the money was overspent by accident or the unnecessary byproduct of laziness/ignorance. For example I wasted money on groceries because I let my fruit go bad. Much of what we see as wasteful medical spending the health care industry sees as a very profitable business model that needs to be protected. The “wasted” money does not simply disappear, it goes to companies and professionals.

While figuring what care is unnecessary and how to reduce medical errors can be difficult tasks, there is no mystery about how we could eliminate the roughly $200 billion we spend on excessive administration costs and $100 billion on drug prices being too high.

If a drug company is given a special government protected monopoly over a necessary drug and Congress also bars the government from regulating what prices the company charges, they are going to charge as high a price as they can get away with.

We can quickly eliminate much of our large administration costs by adopting any of a dozen proven international models, such as an all-payer or single-payer system.

The only reason we aren’t using proven methods to eliminate this waste is because the industry spends millions on lobbying our politicians to not fix the problem and even pass new laws to make the situation worse. When money is being given to government to write the laws to help companies extract more money from regular Americans that is not waste, that is corruption. The waste remains because to eliminate it would mean eliminating much of many companies’ profits.

We don’t so much have a health care waste problem, we have a corruption problem.

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2012/09/07/it-is-a-corruption-problem-not-waste/
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Health Care Costs: It is a Corruption Problem Not "Waste" (Original Post) phantom power Sep 2012 OP
Why we don't call it corruption is symbolic of times. xchrom Sep 2012 #1
Here! Here! Good rant...but in addition to corruption we also have waste socialindependocrat Sep 2012 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Sep 2012 #3
exactly undergroundpanther Sep 2012 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Sep 2012 #5
Yes i know about that. my asshole obgyn has a huge sign saying hes not darkangel218 Sep 2012 #7
Good job there, good job... hunter Sep 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Sep 2012 #8
Guy took in $175 dollars... hunter Sep 2012 #9
He doesnt carry malpractice insurence darkangel218 Sep 2012 #10
I hope he's not the only doctor in town. hunter Sep 2012 #12
He has to carry malpractice insurance. It's the law... cynatnite Sep 2012 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Sep 2012 #11
One bad doctor does not mean all are bad...nt pediatricmedic Sep 2012 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Sep 2012 #15
What scam? cynatnite Sep 2012 #19
Just " one "? i guarantee you its more than that. n/t darkangel218 Sep 2012 #16
no, docs don't pay 57% of their income in malpractice insurance & "paperwork". HiPointDem Sep 2012 #22
Doctors who practice obstetrics pay very high malpractice rates. hunter Sep 2012 #24
research says 2% for all practitioners. obstetrics malpractice varies widely between states: HiPointDem Sep 2012 #25
What are you going to tell us next? We_Must_Organize Sep 2012 #13
. XemaSab Sep 2012 #17
More often than not, people like to apply simple solutions to complex problems... cynatnite Sep 2012 #20
kr HiPointDem Sep 2012 #21
Spam deleted by Warren DeMontague (MIR Team) xxxhelal Sep 2012 #23

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
1. Why we don't call it corruption is symbolic of times.
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 03:36 PM
Sep 2012

And both the act and the 'waste' descriptive are crimes at this point.

socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
2. Here! Here! Good rant...but in addition to corruption we also have waste
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 03:45 PM
Sep 2012

Not to dis your position but I think that we have a significant waste problem, in addition
to the massive corruption problem.

Mistakes made in billing
Duplicate charges
Physicians that stop by to get their names on the payment list
Hospitals overcharging for tests
Massive awards being granted for malpractice

Granted a whole lot of waste is corruption and I value your effort to
clarify and focus where we should concentrate our efforts in reforming
the problems with health care...

Response to phantom power (Original post)

undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
4. exactly
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 04:20 PM
Sep 2012

Did you know why it can be difficult to find a doc that accepts medicaid/medicare?

Some examples of medicare/ medicaid bullshit: Did you know dr's PAY a hundred bucks every year to fill out a stack of forms,50 or so pages just to be able to take medicaid? On top of that there is constant hassles from the insurance companies that refuse to cover meds patients NEED,so the doc has to wrangle the prescriptions out of the company dealing with obviously non educated people trying to explain why the patient needs the meds? My endocrinologist spends HOURS every day fighting red tape and know-nothing bullshitters acting as gatekeepers to get medicines approved for her patients.And medicaid pays much less than insurance companies do. Insurance wants to kill medicare/medicaid.And the corporate gatekeepers hassle the doctors until they cannot take MA patients because of the extreme hassles the Hom's that have corrupted medicaid/medicare cause them.

Response to undergroundpanther (Reply #4)

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
7. Yes i know about that. my asshole obgyn has a huge sign saying hes not
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 04:50 PM
Sep 2012

...accepting Medicaid.
The system is so rotten and faulted, it really needs to be changed radically! It's fucking sickening!

hunter

(38,311 posts)
6. Good job there, good job...
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 04:32 PM
Sep 2012

Be sure you pick up your cut.

Let me clue you in, it's not the doctors, nurses, or medical staffs getting rich.

It's the corrupt money people who don't know squat about medicine who enjoy these "villas and yachts and overseas vacations."

The more money everything costs, the more these parasitic insurance, hospital, and pharmaceutical company business "administrators" can skim off for themselves.

Being an obgyn is dangerous work. You can get your ass sued off. Moms and babies die or suffer lifetime impairments. The Creationist's god fucked humans up very well -- childbirth is a very dangerous business.

But these multi-million dollar salary mba fucktards siphoning money out of this tragic situation face no risks. They collect their multi-million dollar salaries without personal risk, and they blind us in their bullshit.

Anyone who delivers babies -- midwives, nurses, or doctors -- deserves a comfortable life. It's hard work. And I'd say the same for anyone who does dangerous risky work like this, from truck drivers to neurosurgeons... They deserve a good income, better then any dipshit MBA shuffling numbers and buying politicians with their ill-gotten profits.



Response to hunter (Reply #6)

hunter

(38,311 posts)
9. Guy took in $175 dollars...
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 05:20 PM
Sep 2012

... and handed back $100 or more in malpractice insurance and paperwork.

I charge fifty bucks, zero risk, just to look at someone's computer.

A few doctors are money grubbing scumbags, but most are not.

Medicine isn't expensive in the U.S.A. because doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals are paid too much, it's expensive for all the non-medical middlemen.

For example:

Richard M Bracken
Total Compensation
$5.76 mil

5-Year Compensation
$42.643 mil

Education:
College: NA
Graduate School: NA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital_Corporation_of_America









 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
10. He doesnt carry malpractice insurence
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 05:26 PM
Sep 2012

There is a big sign about that too on his door. He's a crook and so is his staff, billing me for labs I didn't even do. Mind you, he misdiagnosed me, and almost made it into surgery if it wasn't for that MRI who showed was nothing wrong w me.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
12. I hope he's not the only doctor in town.
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 05:42 PM
Sep 2012

This, being the U.S.A., you never know.



I'm fortunate to live in a place with good, honest, sincere medical professionals struggling doing their very best within a system that is corrupt and broken.

This nation needs a single-payer (or equivalent) health care system NOW!

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
18. He has to carry malpractice insurance. It's the law...
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 03:16 AM
Sep 2012

Also, it is against the law to charge you for procedures not performed. That's called fraud.

It sounds like you need to find a new physician if you're not satisfied with the service.

Response to hunter (Reply #9)

Response to pediatricmedic (Reply #14)

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
19. What scam?
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 03:21 AM
Sep 2012

You had ONE doctor you were not satisfied with. Doctors are not infallible even though it's expected of them.

They are not all like this. It sounded like there was a scheduling conflict.

As far as the MRI, you're offering very little information.

I spent quite a bit of time working OBGYN. What was the surgery they were going to perform and why? Did you go see another physician? Or was this an elective procedure?

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
22. no, docs don't pay 57% of their income in malpractice insurance & "paperwork".
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 03:57 AM
Sep 2012
Medical malpractice costs are a tiny percentage of overall health care expenditures. Medical malpractice insurance and claims costs represent, at most, only 2 percent of overall health care spending in this country, according to both the Congressional Budget Office and the General Accounting Office.

http://makethemaccountable.com/myth/RisingCostOfMedicalMalpracticeInsurance.htm

hunter

(38,311 posts)
24. Doctors who practice obstetrics pay very high malpractice rates.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 11:25 AM
Sep 2012

Maybe $10,000 a year to $85,000 in the USA, depending on state law.

And everything obstetricians do must be documented in minute detail to protect themselves from lawsuits. "Defensive" medicine is expensive.

I agree with your link, medical insurance companies want to cap malpractice payouts not for the sake of doctors or patients, but to increase the streams of money they control.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
25. research says 2% for all practitioners. obstetrics malpractice varies widely between states:
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:19 AM
Sep 2012

low cost around $17k/yr (MN); $85K-$100 is the highest quote, for nevada & florida. and that's an AVERAGE cost, not a MEDIAN cost.

http://www.ehow.com/about_5514154_average-cost-medical-malpractice-insurance.html


OB/GYN in california (one of the biggest markets in us) varies, depending on city, from $30K (most of state) to $89K (Los angeles/orange county)

http://www.mymedicalmalpracticeinsurance.com/california-medical-malpractice-insurance.php#2010


$85K is not a typical cost in the us as a whole.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
20. More often than not, people like to apply simple solutions to complex problems...
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 03:41 AM
Sep 2012

This is no different.

I'm a huge supporter of single payer, but that will not solve the waste problem in the health care industry. There are numerous factors that are at work here. Diagnosising is complex at times.

As a trained coder, I can tell you that a physician's time is closely tracked. CPT codes and the ICD-9 system is used. It can be very difficult and confusing. Doctors will always be accused of milking it. That's not the case. They are required by law to work with this system.

Also in the system are the staff. Nurses, coders, receptionists, lab techs, ultrasound techs, OSHA regs, HIPAA and so much more that is required to run a medical facility. It's complex, difficult and time consuming. I can't count the hours we spent after the clinic closed trying to get everything done.

We have regs and laws that we have to follow. If we do not, it's the physicans' license, the facility's license, our jobs...and many others who are at risk. These were all put in place for a reason. Sometimes they feel redundant, but it saves lives.

Of course, it's not perfect and it never will be. Crap happens. Sometimes people die. We don't want anyone to die.

We have watched upper management gain the fruits of our hard work in the way of bonuses. We have fought with insurance companies to get needed procedures covered. We have begged drug reps for more samples of meds for our patients who can't afford to buy it.

I've seen doctors pay out of their own pockets for needed medicines for poor patients.

I've been in this industry since I was 20 years old. I've seen it at it's best and worst. I've watched people die that shouldn't have. I heard a mother crying because she couldn't afford to buy antibiotics for her sick daughter.

It's not perfect, but you will find a lot of very dedicated people who do truly care.

Once in a while, you will find an asshole. I'm ashamed to say I've seen a doctor or two who should have taken up auto detailing instead. I saw a nurse yell at the wife of a dying patient. That is not who we are as a whole.

When people come to us, they are usually in a bad way for whatever reason. Patients come to us for help and sometimes they can be at their worst which is understandable. Most of us always give our best.

This industry has been very good to me. I've had the honor of working with some amazing people. That's why I'm very passionate and defensive about it.

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