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kpete

(72,006 posts)
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:37 PM Feb 2020

"We're losing our damn minds": James Carville unloads on the Democratic Party

The full interview is worth reading and not too long. A few highlights:

For fuck’s sake, we’ve got Trump at Davos talking about cutting Medicare and no one in the party has the sense to plaster a picture of him up there sucking up to the global elites, talking about cutting taxes for them while he’s talking about cutting Medicare back home. Jesus, this is so obvious and so easy and I don’t see any of the candidates taking advantage of it.

The Republicans have destroyed their party and turned it into a personality cult, but if anyone thinks they can’t win, they’re out of their damn mind.

Sanders might get 280 electoral votes and win the presidency and maybe we keep the House. But there’s no chance in hell we’ll ever win the Senate with Sanders at the top of the party defining it for the public. Eighteen percent of the country elects more than half of our senators. That’s the deal, fair or not.

So long as [Mitch] McConnell runs the Senate, it’s game over. There’s no chance we’ll change the courts, and nothing will happen, and he’ll just be sitting up there screaming in the microphone about the revolution. The purpose of a political party is to acquire power. All right? Without power, nothing matters.


And I really like his last line:

Falling into despair won’t help anyone, though. I mean, you can curse the darkness or you can light a candle. I’m getting a fucking welding torch. Okay?




https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/7/21123518/trump-2020-election-democratic-party-james-carville
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/2/7/1917643/-Carville-gets-it-right?utm_campaign=trending

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"We're losing our damn minds": James Carville unloads on the Democratic Party (Original Post) kpete Feb 2020 OP
He is 100% volstork Feb 2020 #1
He's On MSNBC Right now Stallion Feb 2020 #2
Do you mean left hand lane? Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #4
he's touting Bennett after what i just read above? the guy has almost no chance to become Kurt V. Feb 2020 #6
You are so right. zentrum Feb 2020 #10
Yeah, that's pretty ironic. progressoid Feb 2020 #21
Great article. Thanks for posting! gulliver Feb 2020 #3
He makes many valuable observations Still Sensible Feb 2020 #5
Totally agree. Everyone seems to be waiting for someone else. Keep Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #7
that made very little sense to me. Where is this place *up there* this picture is supposed Kurt V. Feb 2020 #8
Biden ran against Trump from day 1 and was even castigated for it. Guess you missed launch, missed emmaverybo Feb 2020 #11
i suppose so since i don't watch anything other than local tv programming. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #18
Fair enough Kurt V. I mostly get stuff from DU and YouTube. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #20
I agree with Carville Gothmog Feb 2020 #9
This. Dem2theMax Feb 2020 #12
I love that! nt crickets Feb 2020 #15
I will vote for anyone who eventually wins the Democratic nomination, but ... Lonestarblue Feb 2020 #13
I agree with you about the candidates. Boomerproud Feb 2020 #19
A majority of the voters voted for a woman in 2016. Disillusionment with W's GOP struggle4progress Feb 2020 #22
That last line is pure Carville DFW Feb 2020 #14
Carville is wrong- if turnout is big enough to put Bernie over the top, the senate is ours too Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #16
Interesting that he thinks we might hold the house if Sanders Hortensis Feb 2020 #17
Kick. ooky Feb 2020 #23
Translation: abandon racial justice, LGBT issues, gun control Ex Lurker Feb 2020 #24
LOL!!! greytdemocrat Feb 2020 #25
SS and Medicare appeal to the Democratic base and "blue collar white Trump voters." SMC22307 Feb 2020 #28
EXACTLY! Have any of our candidates talked about Fat Nixon at Davos... SMC22307 Feb 2020 #26
Yeah... PJMcK Feb 2020 #27
But he's right about torching Trump over cuts to SS and Medicare... SMC22307 Feb 2020 #29
Carville's credibility is solid PJMcK Feb 2020 #31
bottom line: GET PEOPLE STIRRED UP DAMNIT! Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #30
I agree with Carville this time. n/t Tarheel_Dem Feb 2020 #32

Stallion

(6,476 posts)
2. He's On MSNBC Right now
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:49 PM
Feb 2020

...touting Michael Bennett-I'd be fine with Bennett but right now Biden is clogging up the right hand lane.

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
6. he's touting Bennett after what i just read above? the guy has almost no chance to become
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:56 PM
Feb 2020

President and carville is raging about power.

Still Sensible

(2,870 posts)
5. He makes many valuable observations
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:54 PM
Feb 2020

and we should pay attention. Obviously this is an individual that knows what he is talking about.

Whether or not we agree with his individual prescriptions, his "Poly-Sci 101" mantra is absolutely correct--it is about taking and wielding power. And the fact is, if you don't win, it won't matter!

edited to add: P.S. I highly recommend you read the whole interview.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
7. Totally agree. Everyone seems to be waiting for someone else. Keep
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:59 PM
Feb 2020

Thinking, surely someone will run an ad after trump does this or that. Surely our side will be all over the news talking about that.

But it's getting very difficult to make a splash anymore. Too much media. Info overload. Just hope to get a trend on Twitter?. No non-dem watches CNN or MSNBC...so they don't hear.

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
8. that made very little sense to me. Where is this place *up there* this picture is supposed
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 04:04 PM
Feb 2020

to be plastered? Besides these candidates (except Bloomberg) aren't running against trump yet. and he thinks sanders can win the presidency yet won't have enough clout to influence down ballot while admitting controlling the senate is extremely difficult for dems.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
11. Biden ran against Trump from day 1 and was even castigated for it. Guess you missed launch, missed
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 06:20 PM
Feb 2020

post-El Paso speech. Missed Trump the world laughingstock ad and so much else.

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
18. i suppose so since i don't watch anything other than local tv programming.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 06:51 PM
Feb 2020

and tv news rarely. thanks for the link.

Dem2theMax

(9,653 posts)
12. This.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 06:27 PM
Feb 2020

"Falling into despair won’t help anyone, though. I mean, you can curse the darkness or you can light a candle.
I’m getting a fucking welding torch. Okay?"




Lonestarblue

(10,038 posts)
13. I will vote for anyone who eventually wins the Democratic nomination, but ...
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 06:30 PM
Feb 2020

Carville is right. We need people who are willing to go toe to toe with Trump and get tough about it. Republicans certainly will be tough, and untruthful, in their campaigns. I disagree with Carville’s choice of Michael Bennett, but I think he’s wrong about Sanders. With Sanders at the top of the ticket, we will lose to Trump. Independents who like some of Trump’s policies but are tired of the chaos and the theatrics will not vote for the “socialist” candidate. In reality, we know that Bernie’s policies are not true socialism, they’re just mostly good for the country, but Republicans will brand Bernie as the president who will take away private property rights and turn businesses into government communes.

I am not a Biden supporter because I have doubts that he can out-nasty Trump. And Senate Republicans are already making sure to create lots of dirt on him and his son. I’m a Warren supporter because of her ideas and her fierce fighting spirit. I think she can hold her own against Trump, BUT—and I say this sadly—too many people will just not vote for a woman. Mayor Pete is smart and has run a really great campaign, but his sexual preference will be used against him. Unfair, but likely. I also like Klobuchar, and she had a really good debate in New Hampshire, but I’m not sure about her ability to out-Trump Trump—and she’s a female in a country with a lot of misogynists.

So where does that leave us? All of our candidates have great qualities, and they’re all just smart as hell. But my number 1 criterion is this: who can beat Trump? I don’t know the answer to that question, and I can’t believe I’m going to write this, but it may be a compromise candidate—Bloomberg. He is not my first or second or third choice. I don’t care that he’s a billionaire, but I do care that he’s too conservative and started out as a Republican. If he can beat Trump, though, I’m all in. Interesting—and scary—times we live in.

Boomerproud

(7,961 posts)
19. I agree with you about the candidates.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 06:52 PM
Feb 2020

They showed a clip of an Iowa caucuser changing her vote from Mayor Pete because she found out he was gay. That elephant in the room breaks my heart because he's a good man and we need his talents.

struggle4progress

(118,320 posts)
22. A majority of the voters voted for a woman in 2016. Disillusionment with W's GOP
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 12:34 AM
Feb 2020

gave us good turn-out in 2008 and helped us elect an African American, much to my surprised delight. Trump's gang is even less popular than W's was

I wouldn't regard a female candidate as a long-shot but as a shot-in-the-arm: in the Grabber-Of-Pussy era, I'd bet we can get lots of women behind the idea that now's really finally time to have a woman President, over a century after the 19th amendment

Of course, what matters most is kicking the Grabber-Of-Pussy Party to the curb -- so I'll vote for the D nominee

DFW

(54,426 posts)
14. That last line is pure Carville
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 06:33 PM
Feb 2020

I'm with him--no darkness, and for sure nothing so mild as a candle. Bring on the welding torches!

Fiendish Thingy

(15,650 posts)
16. Carville is wrong- if turnout is big enough to put Bernie over the top, the senate is ours too
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 06:40 PM
Feb 2020

He provides no data that shows otherwise.

You don’t think, if enough folks turnout to elect Sanders, that there won’t be a big enough turnout to defeat Collins, Gardner, McSally, possibly Mitch and Lindsey?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Interesting that he thinks we might hold the house if Sanders
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 06:47 PM
Feb 2020

were the nominee. Many house races were won by extremely narrow margins, and keeping control is doing to be far from certain no matter who our nominee is.

With a socialist populist leader promising revolution from within, it's beyond likely that voters would do the usual "balancing" of a bold presidential choice by crippling him with a congress controlled by the other party. That's what they did to Obama, and to many others stretching back into the distant past.

It seems probable that we'd lose both the house and the senate and that the increasingly fascistic Republicans would continue dismantling our progressive systems and government of, by and for the people.

People who think we need a socialist revolution need to realize that a much bigger archconservative fascistic, nationalist, Christian nation, plutocratic revolution, assisted by Russia and other enemies, is already underway.

Ex Lurker

(3,815 posts)
24. Translation: abandon racial justice, LGBT issues, gun control
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 01:06 AM
Feb 2020

And other issues that matter to the Democratic base. Instead try to appeal to blue collar white Trump voters who won't vote for us anyway. Sounds like a winning strategy /sarc

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
28. SS and Medicare appeal to the Democratic base and "blue collar white Trump voters."
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 01:49 AM
Feb 2020

Carville is right -- Fat Nixon needs to be torched over his comments. No one's saying to abandon what you list, but economic issues ALWAYS top the list of what's important to voters. Make any suggestion of cuts to those programs third rail again. TORCH.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
26. EXACTLY! Have any of our candidates talked about Fat Nixon at Davos...
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 01:40 AM
Feb 2020

threatening cuts to SS and Medicare? It's a total fucking gift horse - the words came out of his mouth. Too many voters know he is vile and turn a blind eye, but cuts to SS and Medicare might snap some of them out of it.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
29. But he's right about torching Trump over cuts to SS and Medicare...
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 01:50 AM
Feb 2020

the words came out of his mouth at Davos. Why haven't Dems seized on this?

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