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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI wonder if I am on a list.
A list titled something like "Trump enemies". Of course I would be on the bottom for sure, but if there is a list like that I am probably on it. I stay off of social media now but have been vocal for quite a few years. Im sure if there is a list like that I am on there, or if one was made I would be on there. Probably we all would be. That has always been a probability but a small one. Now, Im not so sure its so small of a probability anymore and it fear the future will make it higher.
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)a card-carrying democraticundergrounder has got us all bearing a red check mark on someone's list.
Dan
(3,570 posts)If Trump wins a second term - and maintains control of the Senate, then it would not surprise me if all of us that are members of DU, might one day find ourselves inside looking out. Having been identified as enemies of the State by our fearless leader Bone Spurs.
The blessing of course is that Susan Collins would be concerned.
Eko
(7,318 posts)Thanks,
Eko
MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)Susan Collins level of concern in that were not really concerned but we will speak as if we are very concerned...
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)all be like Dan. Not Susan.
0rganism
(23,957 posts)and regard it a worthy life goal to work my way up towards the top
But I also think its wise to think about this at least once. I think I see some of the different paths that could await us and I feel like some are becoming more possible.
0rganism
(23,957 posts)at this point, being overly cautious plays into the hands of those who wish to harm us. their next step is getting us to feel isolated and alienated for our beliefs and associations, so we self-censor and withdraw from normal society.
Eko
(7,318 posts)Forewarned is forearmed.
0rganism
(23,957 posts)i'd say assume the answer is "yes" and "yes" and then behave accordingly.
Eko
(7,318 posts)SamKnause
(13,108 posts)They want to kill us.
I hate them.
I don't want to kill them.
I just want them to disappear on an island far far away.
They are so un-American it is frightening.
I had fears about the Holocaust from third grade til my twenties and still worry; it is basically happening already.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)But I have said things on here that certainly indicate my feelings for the turd.
Most of us have.
Do you think they have the people power to monitor us and make that list?
Scary. But I am up for it. (that probably moved me up the list a couple of notches.... )
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)on DU in about a day, given some cooperation with either our ISP's ... or the NSA.
There's no way resources would limit such a project, only privacy laws.
Which is to say ... we are most definitely all on a list somewhere. You can take that to the bank.
Dan
(3,570 posts)If the ISP provided access to the db with dictionary, it shouldnt take more than a couple of hours.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)What format they made it available, and the programmers experience level with handling such data, but my point is ... it's not very high level stuff and one person could code it pretty quickly. It wouldn't take that much in the way of resources.
The NSA almost certainly has already done this, cause they don't need ISP help, they're tapped into the main trunks ... but they wouldn't admit to having done this, and probably wouldn't share their list of DU'ers with other agencies barring their algorithms picking up on some legit emergency. At least ... for now.
But ... if someone on here were to start making legit-sounding threats against government officials, I'd bet they'd have a visit from Agent Mike pretty damn fast.
And I think it'd fast ... because they already logged 'who we all are' IRL.
Dan
(3,570 posts)Collimator
(1,639 posts)She had no intention of giving up her American citizenship, but she wanted to be able to vote in elections that affected the community where she lived.
She informed me that when an American requests citizenship in another country, the FBI creates a file on that person as standard operating procedure.
Well, my BFF really, really, despised George W. I should also mention that she has a Muslim husband, who is such a rabid, patriarchal zealot that he didn't care when she didn't take his last name.
My friend and I often speak long distance across the ocean. During the time when the Patriot Act was pushed through and being used to violate all sorts of Constitutional rights, we often wondered if our own conversations were being recorded.
She wasn't that worried about how her life might be impacted, because she lived abroad. But we wondered if I would come under special scrutiny because of our phone calls and if there was any possibility that they might search my home in my absence and in the absence of a proper search warrant.
In response to that concern, I said that I wouldn't mind if they searched my house as long as they cleaned the place in the process. We laughed ourselves silly as I announced to any government agencies that might be listening: "All the secret information is in the dust collecting in the carpet."
I would make the World's Worst Spy, as I am already the World's Worst Housekeeper.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Anyone searching my home wouldn't be able to find anything because of the laundry. And they'd have a sneezing fit in the process because of the dust.
Joinfortmill
(14,432 posts)But I'm an old woman and would wear it as a badge of honor
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)then dropped off at, THEN poked and prodded to cross over the Canadian Border.
Dem2theMax
(9,651 posts)I'll happily get in line.
Trudeau or Trump? Trudeau or Trump? Hmmm.
A friend of mine has a son living in Canada. Today I spoke to the friend and asked him if his son would adopt me. I'd like to have a plan in place.
I think the son and I are about the same age. Hopefully no one will notice.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)for those of US wanting to escape our tyrannical dick-tater.
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)On any "list" is maybe Skinner.
Dem2theMax
(9,651 posts)I'm sure that quite a few of us got on a list, or two or three or four, during the *Bush misadministration.
I remember one particular petition was thousands of pages long. And it was delivered directly to the White House. I know my name was on that one.
I think the White House is somewhat like Santa. Checking the list to see who's been naughty and nice.
The problem is, they have it backwards. We are nice. I can't call them naughty. They are pure evil.
Niagara
(7,627 posts)After he made false accusations about MY president not being born in America. In the comment section of this petition, I told him to shut his flipping mouth, only I didn't use the word flipping. Do you think I'm on the list?
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)"Dawg Day was honored as an enemy of Trump."
Dem2theMax
(9,651 posts)My headstone will read as follows:
" It was the only way I could think of to get away from Trump."
burrowowl
(17,641 posts)in the days of Nixon most of us young locals weren't important enough to rise to national attention but in small towns if you spoke out aggressively for civil rights and against Vietnam and the draft it was very common that the local big wigs took notice of who you were and among themselves and their businesses, offices for building permits etc. they could and often would see to it that you had a hard time. The local cops/county cops/state cops etc. all had programs with the FBI for keeping "track" of "troublemakers". Like in Milwaukee and Chicago police departments they had "Red Squads" that were intelligence units that also kept track of people and infiltrated social activist groups. They of course were not above some intimidation. The Chicago Red Squad was so notorious that it was ordered disbanded and the cops destroyed much of the files they had from spying on liberal groups. Some of the files remain at the Chicago Historical Society. What they do now is simply use third parties and their software to sift through social media and build up files on you as a resident of a city or as an activist etc. Here is a link to a Chicago Sun-Times newspaper article from just last year. Notice that the company the cops had been using was marketing itself by calling activists and unions as "overt threats". https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/3/8/18392496/chicago-police-use-secret-software-to-spy-on-us-next-mayor-must-clue-us-in
In Wisconsin during the recall election of Scott Walker the GOP took all of the recall petitions and placed all of the names in a database and then sent out to local GOP activists the lists for their area. Then they started doing stuff like harassing phone calls etc. I remember my Mom receiving one. The GOP of course claimed they were only "verifying" the signatures and making sure that people "understood" what they had signed. Sure thing. They also did stuff like check names against court records to try and get dirt etc. I sincerely apologize for writing lengthy entries sometimes without paragraph breaks. I was horrible in 7th grade English class and my teacher never deserved the stress I gave her.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)The tech is different now, but the strategy and dirty tricks exist just as before.
mahina
(17,669 posts)And paranoid people, an old master community organizer once told me.
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spanone
(135,844 posts)llmart
(15,540 posts)Heck, I've lived most of my life anyway. When my sister who is 75 calls me she always starts her conversation with "Is that fucker dead yet?" Then she starts cackling and says, "I'll bet they have both of us on some sort of watch list." Then we both say, "I sure hope so."
Women our age have no more fucks to give.