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Trump is underwater by 40 points (28% / 68%) among voters 18-34.
If and when that age group turns out in November, Trump is gone.
Lunabell
(6,089 posts)If they will just get off their asses and vote like their lives depended on it because it does!!!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)My daughter has a strongly preferred candidate. She has an active dislike of the others, thanks to how nasty the primary has now become and because she is idealistic, not pragmatic, because she is young. And she is not alone in this.
I know that she herself would crawl over broken glass to vote for whoever the Democratic candidate is, but from what shes saying about other people in her age group, Im genuinely concerned. And were in a blue state... it must be worse in purple or red ones.
Celerity
(43,419 posts)truly realistic path to winning. Especially IF the economy holds up.
This map tells the tale. If he takes WI, there is almost no way we can flip Iowa, based off the overall trend flow. FL speaks for itself. This map gives us every other state that is truly close now, or historically has been in reality. In all the other red states listed, Trump has fairly solid, or overwhelming lead in, even over Biden atm. There is almost zero chance that he wins WI, IA, and FL but then loses a NC or an AZ, it just will not happen more than likely. Could it happen? of course, but we are now into the realms of pure hopes and prayers, etc.
I even give us PA on this map, where Trump is up by a pretty big margin atm and I have to put in the Red column atm with a gun to my head. I give it to us here just to prove my point about WI and FL. Obviously IF Trump wins PA, then even flipping IA and WI does not matter at all, and the odds of that now meaningless split are 1000 to 1 at that point anyway:
there is one tiny variance that will make it even more of nightmare
If we flip ME-2 back to blue
That yields the ultimate shitstorm, one that rips the nation apart, especially if we win the popular vote by millions upon millions again, even perhaps by such a large margin we would win the popular vote even AFTER CA is subtracted:
a 269-269 tie
with the 26 House delegations the Rethugs control giving Trump the exact numer he needs to win in the House. We have almost no shot, due to gerrymandering to pull back the 2 closest Rethug-controlled delegations, those being .......... drum roll................WI and FL, SO IRONICALLY!!!! Even if we did flip one, there is a decent shot that the Rethugs take control of the one that is now tied, PA or they could take back MI or AZ or CO, the ony other remotely close delegations.
The good news is, IF we win FL, we can lose ALL the other remotely close states and even one of NV or NH, and still win. We just cannot lose both of NV and NH, as that would give him the win as well, with either 270 or 271, depending on ME-2.
In all this, I am not counting MI as anything but a clear Blue win, as Trump is underwater there against all of our candidates. If he ends up winning MI as well, the final results will be close to 2016, ie we have no hope, even if we flip FL and hold the rest of the 2016 Blues as a MI Trump win almost locks in a PA and WI loss as well, as those are far closer to Red than MI is now.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)My own personal favorites are Warren and Klobuchar, but I admit being biased toward women.
Aussie105
(5,403 posts)How are the policies of those women you mention better than any male?
Have you actually looked at any policy statements from any candidate?
Be honest now. Why are you biased towards the women?
A shallow vote is a greatly wasted vote.
Look what the shallow voters did to the last election, voted in a totally incompetent person with no redeeming political features, just some superficial labels on his forehead - 'rich', 'white male', great businessman', etc.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,356 posts)Thanks for presuming, though.
Aussie105
(5,403 posts)In Australia, I've seen a slow, 30 year long march away from candidates stating realistic policies and more towards vague motherhood statements, strong debate performance and doing things that get you in the media.
Used to be that the most boring fart got in because he had a strong grasp of political and social issues, and had the skills to get all sides of politics working together for a common goal. (Which, if you need to ask, is the betterment of life and opportunity for every citizen.)
And, of course, the money in politics in Australia is closely controlled. No Bloomberg wanting to buy himself into the top seat of power, here. Or the politician with the most $$$ donors wins.
Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)is really stressful.
But I'm telling myself to show up. Work to get people to show up. And it'll all be okay.
I think more than his winning, we have to make sure we show up to turn the senate.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)As word gets out to many trump and the GOP plan to destroy Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security. They will reduce affordable health care, and after trump said he wouldn't , again. He said that he wouldn't touch these programs then did with the tax scam bill they passed. More older people are realizing he can]t be trusted with the GOP now, and are running away from trump and the GOP. The older groups are waking up to this now and realizing trump and the GOP are liars and too corrupt too be in OUR government.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)book Variable Star)
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Sancho
(9,070 posts)and it's not just voter suppression and gerrymandering.
Since 2000 we have seen butterfly ballots, chads, DREs that flip, insane undervotes, missing ballots, ballots in the trash, ballots in warehouses, tabulator errors, late-night "changes" in the totals, certification roulette, signature rejections, and programmers testifying that they wrote the code to cheat.
Election after election the GOP "wins" key elections in FL by "1%" or some other crazy margin that makes no sense; especially when referendums and down ballot elections and registrations all favor Democratic voters.