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tweet of the hour (Original Post) Demovictory9 Feb 2020 OP
Now, Lunabell Feb 2020 #1
I hope they won't sit at home and sulk if their favorite candidate isn't nominated. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #2
+1 OnDoutside Feb 2020 #3
I'm so worried that they will renate Feb 2020 #4
it all comes down to 2 states. WI and FL. If Trump wins those 2, we have basically no Celerity Feb 2020 #7
We have to have a candidate that motivates them. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #5
So tell me . . . Aussie105 Feb 2020 #6
No, I won't tell you. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #8
Glad to be proven wrong. Aussie105 Feb 2020 #9
That I'm terrified it won't be a blow out Dorian Gray Feb 2020 #10
More running from trump and the GOP now, duforsure Feb 2020 #11
Is it too early to use the Japanese phrase "Ai Toju So"? (hat tip to the Heinlein/Robinson abqtommy Feb 2020 #12
Young people don't vote.. Sancho Feb 2020 #13
BTW...MF45 will win FL because elections here are rigged... Sancho Feb 2020 #14

renate

(13,776 posts)
4. I'm so worried that they will
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:08 AM
Feb 2020

My daughter has a strongly preferred candidate. She has an active dislike of the others, thanks to how nasty the primary has now become and because she is idealistic, not pragmatic, because she is young. And she is not alone in this.

I know that she herself would crawl over broken glass to vote for whoever the Democratic candidate is, but from what she’s saying about other people in her age group, I’m genuinely concerned. And we’re in a blue state... it must be worse in purple or red ones.

Celerity

(43,419 posts)
7. it all comes down to 2 states. WI and FL. If Trump wins those 2, we have basically no
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:52 AM
Feb 2020

truly realistic path to winning. Especially IF the economy holds up.

This map tells the tale. If he takes WI, there is almost no way we can flip Iowa, based off the overall trend flow. FL speaks for itself. This map gives us every other state that is truly close now, or historically has been in reality. In all the other red states listed, Trump has fairly solid, or overwhelming lead in, even over Biden atm. There is almost zero chance that he wins WI, IA, and FL but then loses a NC or an AZ, it just will not happen more than likely. Could it happen? of course, but we are now into the realms of pure hopes and prayers, etc.

I even give us PA on this map, where Trump is up by a pretty big margin atm and I have to put in the Red column atm with a gun to my head. I give it to us here just to prove my point about WI and FL. Obviously IF Trump wins PA, then even flipping IA and WI does not matter at all, and the odds of that now meaningless split are 1000 to 1 at that point anyway:



there is one tiny variance that will make it even more of nightmare

If we flip ME-2 back to blue

That yields the ultimate shitstorm, one that rips the nation apart, especially if we win the popular vote by millions upon millions again, even perhaps by such a large margin we would win the popular vote even AFTER CA is subtracted:

a 269-269 tie

with the 26 House delegations the Rethugs control giving Trump the exact numer he needs to win in the House. We have almost no shot, due to gerrymandering to pull back the 2 closest Rethug-controlled delegations, those being .......... drum roll................WI and FL, SO IRONICALLY!!!! Even if we did flip one, there is a decent shot that the Rethugs take control of the one that is now tied, PA or they could take back MI or AZ or CO, the ony other remotely close delegations.



The good news is, IF we win FL, we can lose ALL the other remotely close states and even one of NV or NH, and still win. We just cannot lose both of NV and NH, as that would give him the win as well, with either 270 or 271, depending on ME-2.

In all this, I am not counting MI as anything but a clear Blue win, as Trump is underwater there against all of our candidates. If he ends up winning MI as well, the final results will be close to 2016, ie we have no hope, even if we flip FL and hold the rest of the 2016 Blues as a MI Trump win almost locks in a PA and WI loss as well, as those are far closer to Red than MI is now.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,356 posts)
5. We have to have a candidate that motivates them.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:13 AM
Feb 2020

My own personal favorites are Warren and Klobuchar, but I admit being biased toward women.

Aussie105

(5,403 posts)
6. So tell me . . .
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:25 AM
Feb 2020

How are the policies of those women you mention better than any male?

Have you actually looked at any policy statements from any candidate?

Be honest now. Why are you biased towards the women?

A shallow vote is a greatly wasted vote.

Look what the shallow voters did to the last election, voted in a totally incompetent person with no redeeming political features, just some superficial labels on his forehead - 'rich', 'white male', great businessman', etc.

Aussie105

(5,403 posts)
9. Glad to be proven wrong.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:40 AM
Feb 2020

In Australia, I've seen a slow, 30 year long march away from candidates stating realistic policies and more towards vague motherhood statements, strong debate performance and doing things that get you in the media.

Used to be that the most boring fart got in because he had a strong grasp of political and social issues, and had the skills to get all sides of politics working together for a common goal. (Which, if you need to ask, is the betterment of life and opportunity for every citizen.)

And, of course, the money in politics in Australia is closely controlled. No Bloomberg wanting to buy himself into the top seat of power, here. Or the politician with the most $$$ donors wins.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
10. That I'm terrified it won't be a blow out
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:06 AM
Feb 2020

is really stressful.

But I'm telling myself to show up. Work to get people to show up. And it'll all be okay.

I think more than his winning, we have to make sure we show up to turn the senate.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
11. More running from trump and the GOP now,
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:50 AM
Feb 2020

As word gets out to many trump and the GOP plan to destroy Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security. They will reduce affordable health care, and after trump said he wouldn't , again. He said that he wouldn't touch these programs then did with the tax scam bill they passed. More older people are realizing he can]t be trusted with the GOP now, and are running away from trump and the GOP. The older groups are waking up to this now and realizing trump and the GOP are liars and too corrupt too be in OUR government.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
12. Is it too early to use the Japanese phrase "Ai Toju So"? (hat tip to the Heinlein/Robinson
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 08:14 AM
Feb 2020

book Variable Star)

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
14. BTW...MF45 will win FL because elections here are rigged...
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 08:31 AM
Feb 2020

and it's not just voter suppression and gerrymandering.

Since 2000 we have seen butterfly ballots, chads, DREs that flip, insane undervotes, missing ballots, ballots in the trash, ballots in warehouses, tabulator errors, late-night "changes" in the totals, certification roulette, signature rejections, and programmers testifying that they wrote the code to cheat.

Election after election the GOP "wins" key elections in FL by "1%" or some other crazy margin that makes no sense; especially when referendums and down ballot elections and registrations all favor Democratic voters.

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