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CousinIT

(9,247 posts)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 08:44 AM Feb 2020

Trump impeachment trial: Is US politics beyond the point of repair?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51417722

The new decade in American politics has started with a hangover that keeps on getting worse - a quickening of the downward democratic spiral we have witnessed over the past 30 years.

So much of what has gone awry has been resident in the trial of Donald Trump.

The partisan vitriol. The degradation of debate. The use of what were previously rarely used weapons - in this instance impeachment - to escalate America's ceaseless political war.

This sorry saga has offered yet more proof that, far from being an aberration, the Trump era is a culmination.

The hyperpartisanship of Republicans and Democrats has been evident in the party-line votes to impeach and acquit. The coarseness and ugliness of political discourse we have heard every day, which prompted the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Roberts to tell both sides to dial back the rhetoric.

Again we have witnessed the negative statecraft of Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who used parliamentary procedures to bar witnesses from even appearing in the trial - a case, historians may well conclude, of jurors actively obstructing justice. McConnell managed to block Barack Obama's final Supreme Court nominee, Merrick Garland, for almost a year. In preventing the Democratic House managers from calling witnesses, such as the former National Security Advisor John Bolton who could have completely blown up the president's defence, he hardly broke sweat. . . .
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Trump impeachment trial: Is US politics beyond the point of repair? (Original Post) CousinIT Feb 2020 OP
I don't care what repukes think Alpeduez21 Feb 2020 #1
I dislike the "both sides" "hyperpartisanship" argument here Blues Heron Feb 2020 #2
Let's answer this question AFTER we get rid of Donnie Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #3
The system basically worked the way it was supposed to work as far as I can tell Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2020 #4
I agree with you Andy823 Feb 2020 #6
"Both sides are just as bad" Wednesdays Feb 2020 #5
Balk on framing it as "the hyperpartisanship of Republicans and Democrats ... JHB Feb 2020 #7

Alpeduez21

(1,751 posts)
1. I don't care what repukes think
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 08:57 AM
Feb 2020

Or how they feel. I VERY STRONGLY believe people should vote for the democratic candidate in EVERY election until racists, rapists, criminals, misogynists, and child molesters are no longer nominated by them. When repukes stop putting forth environment killing agendas and stop claiming they want to take away civil rights then will I maybe start to consider how they feel. I’m not holding my breath.

If you support repukes you support these ideologies so, yeah I think politics may be beyond repair. I have heard RWNjs go on for decades about how reprehensible I am for wanting equal rights and justice. If you don’t know you’re in a war recognize you are and act accordingly

Blues Heron

(5,938 posts)
2. I dislike the "both sides" "hyperpartisanship" argument here
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:08 AM
Feb 2020

Total misreading of the situation, glib and insidious.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
3. Let's answer this question AFTER we get rid of Donnie
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:17 AM
Feb 2020

And FWIW a British dude asking this question is pretty rich given their current state of affairs...

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
4. The system basically worked the way it was supposed to work as far as I can tell
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:46 AM
Feb 2020

It's the people in the system that need to be fixed/eliminated/etc. The rules and some of their vagueness and lack of precision, as written in the Constitution do, however, allow bad actors like Trump and McConnell to defeat and subvert them to their will. The Constitution did not anticipate the formation of political parties and "tribes" that would seek to protect their own over the interests of the country and the Constitution and they did not seem to anticipate people of such malignant ill will such as McConnell and Trump. Following this national nightmare with Trump, it is clear that some reforms need to be made.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
6. I agree with you
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:10 AM
Feb 2020

We need to get rid of the criminals that are doing all the can to destroy or democracy. We need to come out in force on Election Day and send the packing.

Hillary beat trump by around 3 million votes. Around a hundred million registered voters stayed home in 2016. The trump cult followers came out in full force, and Hillary still had 3 million more votes. I really don't think the majority of those who stayed home will do so this time. We will have a huge blue wave and it will wash trump and his minions out of office.

We can do it!

JHB

(37,161 posts)
7. Balk on framing it as "the hyperpartisanship of Republicans and Democrats ...
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:11 AM
Feb 2020

...evident in the party-line votes".

The Republicans have spent the last 3 decades fostering and reveling in hyperpartisanship. The Democrats have searched in vain for common ground. Every attempt at bridging the gap has been slapped away.

Republicans in congress voted against bills they had sponsored once it looked like it might actually pass, lest they be seen as cooperating with Democrats and **horror of horrors** have their picture taken shaking President Obama's hand at a signing ceremony.

Weaponized hyperpartisanship has been the favorite tool in the Republican toolbox since at least Newt Gingrich's Speakership (which he got because of his hyperpartisanship). And that's not counting years, even decades, of the more localized forms of axe-grinding which Gingrich, Limbaugh, and the entire Conservative Movement fanned to full flame.

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