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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:36 AM Feb 2020

'We're technically homeless': the eviction epidemic plaguing the US

Tue 11 Feb 2020 04.00 EST
Last modified on Tue 11 Feb 2020 04.02 EST



Millions of Americans face eviction while rent prices around the country continue to rise, turning everything ‘upside down’ for many

Tammie Lyle, a single mother in Richmond, Virginia, was evicted from her home in July 2019 after the rental office of her apartment complex discovered her older daughter was staying with her.

“I ended up with the whole family – myself, four children, three grandkids, we had to go. We lived in a hotel for a little while, and then all split up,” Lyle said. “We all live in different houses now. We had to switch the kids’ schools and we missed a lot of time from work because we’re not together and we don’t have childcare.”


She works two jobs, one at Amazon and another at a 7-Eleven store, and sometimes she has a third if she can find the extra work.

Lyle’s story is just one of many when it comes to a modern American phenomenon: a plague of evictions that devastates the lives of already vulnerable families. In the US, an estimated 2.3 million Americans were evicted from their home in 2016, the latest year of available data, as rent prices around the US continue to rise while affordable housing units disappear and the legal system is weighted towards wealthy landlords, not tenants.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/11/us-eviction-rates-causes-richmond-atlanta?CMP=share_btn_tw

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'We're technically homeless': the eviction epidemic plaguing the US (Original Post) BeckyDem Feb 2020 OP
And in my neck of the woods, Habibi Feb 2020 #1
Same here. It's a nightmare for most people. yardwork Feb 2020 #2
Same here! I can't figure out who's renting these things. Coventina Feb 2020 #9
a lot are going on AirBnB Blues Heron Feb 2020 #12
OK, that makes sense, but that leads to my next question: Coventina Feb 2020 #13
They want people to put those $600/night resort rooms ooky Feb 2020 #27
It's not the circulation. It's the advertising. DFW Feb 2020 #35
And many of them SoCalNative Feb 2020 #31
When you give 1% and corporations all the money Johonny Feb 2020 #34
Money laundering. 2naSalit Feb 2020 #23
OMG wryter2000 Feb 2020 #39
If homelessness were contagious they'd solve it in a heartbeat. Blues Heron Feb 2020 #3
Your car is the new safeinOhio Feb 2020 #4
So true, and it is heartbreaking. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #24
My lady and I just bought a 1990 Chevy g20 van, The Figment Feb 2020 #38
I'm not sure what pisses me off more. Pacifist Patriot Feb 2020 #5
Its horrific on all fronts and the inequity is so obvious. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #6
We shame the working poor & tell them they aren't working hard enough. CrispyQ Feb 2020 #32
What an excellent quote renate Feb 2020 #41
As rent continues to go up, expect more of this wysimdnwyg Feb 2020 #7
evictions do not just happen in a vacuum , I had to evict a longterm tennant after beachbumbob Feb 2020 #8
Yes, but Scarsdale Feb 2020 #10
You're going to have to repeal the law of supply and demand PBC_Democrat Feb 2020 #11
The banks avlbeerfan Feb 2020 #14
I get a little frustrated with the "don't bail out the banks" line. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #17
credit system avlbeerfan Feb 2020 #19
How do you think that would have happened? Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #21
rply avlbeerfan Feb 2020 #25
Thanks for the reply... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #26
I had a student in one of my classes Turbineguy Feb 2020 #29
All the TARP money was paid back and the US made a 15 billion dollar profit. Mosby Feb 2020 #36
no way avlbeerfan Feb 2020 #37
Good example of why unemployment is so low. KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2020 #15
If you're in California, you can camp on the side of freeways and not get kicked out ansible Feb 2020 #16
It's simply about wages being too low. Johnny2X2X Feb 2020 #18
In California, it's also caused by a chronic shortage of apartments ansible Feb 2020 #20
I'm aware of that Johnny2X2X Feb 2020 #22
But all that they are building here SoCalNative Feb 2020 #33
The 2-bedroom house across the street from me rents for $2,500 per month. CrispyQ Feb 2020 #28
I have to wonder percentages here, how many Americans could? BeckyDem Feb 2020 #30
In Oakland wryter2000 Feb 2020 #40

yardwork

(61,663 posts)
2. Same here. It's a nightmare for most people.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:47 AM
Feb 2020

Builders aren't building reasonably priced homes anymore. They built giant houses on small lots to maximize the profit. Most people don't need and can't afford these big houses, but there are very few smaller, reasonably priced homes now.

Coventina

(27,125 posts)
9. Same here! I can't figure out who's renting these things.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:47 AM
Feb 2020

Who can afford to drop 3K a month on a studio apartment in Phoenix?

Coventina

(27,125 posts)
13. OK, that makes sense, but that leads to my next question:
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:09 AM
Feb 2020

who can afford to travel anymore?



My only trips are work or family related anymore.

I was at the vet yesterday, and picked up a copy of Conde Nast Traveler in the waiting room.
I had to put it down after a few minutes, I was so disgusted.
Nothing but articles about resorts for $600 a night.
Who the fuck is able to vacation like that?
And how does a magazine that caters to that crowd get enough circulation to stay in print?

ooky

(8,924 posts)
27. They want people to put those $600/night resort rooms
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:41 AM
Feb 2020

on a credit card and then pay exorbitant monthly interest rates.

DFW

(54,414 posts)
35. It's not the circulation. It's the advertising.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:04 PM
Feb 2020

An ad pays for itself pretty quickly if it generates a few bookings of $600 a night rooms.

Johonny

(20,854 posts)
34. When you give 1% and corporations all the money
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:58 AM
Feb 2020

They're going to invest in land. It's certainly true in SoCal. Not only domestic, but tons of foreign cash. I feel bad at people around me paying rent way higher than my mortgage. Most want to buy, but there's so few places up for sale, and those up for sale you have to outbid the contractors and the investors for it.

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
39. OMG
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:50 PM
Feb 2020

I hardly recognize downtown Oakland any longer.

I googled "apartments in Oakland," and all that showed up was these luxury places. A studio goes for $2,700/month.

The Figment

(494 posts)
38. My lady and I just bought a 1990 Chevy g20 van,
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:27 PM
Feb 2020

Just to cover our butts,we have been researching the "Vanlife" craze on the net.
Lotsa great ideas from van conversions, solar systems, places to go,hell there is even a "Rubber Tramp Rondaview" once a year for those that are into the lifestyle.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
5. I'm not sure what pisses me off more.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:23 AM
Feb 2020

The eviction or that someone can't work at Amazon or 7-Eleven and earn enough to live. Damn, can't even work at both and make ends meet.

CrispyQ

(36,479 posts)
32. We shame the working poor & tell them they aren't working hard enough.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:51 AM
Feb 2020

"We" being our society in general. We hate poor people more than anything and we love to shame them. Humiliate them for getting public assistance. Call them out if they are wearing anything nice or are buying anything besides beans and rice, like they owe it to us to dress in rags so we can judge them even more.

I sent this to my religious rwnj cousin who went off on people who receive food stamps and medicaid. I got zero response.

renate

(13,776 posts)
41. What an excellent quote
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:29 PM
Feb 2020

I still cannot understand why Trump inspires such slavish devotion in so many people who call themselves Christian. It simply makes no sense.

wysimdnwyg

(2,232 posts)
7. As rent continues to go up, expect more of this
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:46 AM
Feb 2020

If a family is paying $1,000/mo for an apartment that can be rented for $1,200/mo, many landlords/owners will be quick to pull the eviction trigger. All of a sudden they're making an extra $200/mo. It will take them no time at all to make back any money they lose during the transition (and it may even be profitable during that time if they don't pay back the deposit for whatever trumped up reason they find).

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
8. evictions do not just happen in a vacuum , I had to evict a longterm tennant after
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:47 AM
Feb 2020

he wrote me 3 straight months worth of bad checks. So what am I suppose to do? I am not a charity, I still have to make the payments as well as pay the property taxes.

I gave him almost 6 months to set things right, which he did not and had to evict him, his wife and 3 kids. I lost not only the 3 months of rent, but another $2500 on what was damaged and outright stolen from the house. I tire of these "poor victim" posts.

Evictions don't just happen.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
10. Yes, but
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:51 AM
Feb 2020

"This is the greatest country in the world" say the richest among us. What is so great about it? I think it is time to audit EVERY government agency, root out the corruption and waste. The Pentagon budget is bloated, but the extra cash certainly does not go to help the lower ranks. Too many chiefs, not enough Indians. Time to STOP these retirement benefits to former so-called "representatives" These people do little but line their pockets while in office, then retire as millionaires, still ripping off taxpayers for a pension (which increases every year along with the present reps. raise) plus medical benefits. How many civilian jobs still give pensions? The ones that do, do not include medical benefits. "We the people" had better start making our voices heard, before it is too late. The impeachment farce should have made it clear to everyone that we are nothing but contributors to the powers that be, with taxes. The gop backs a president who is unqualified, ignorant, crude, rude and pompous. A FAKE.

PBC_Democrat

(401 posts)
11. You're going to have to repeal the law of supply and demand
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:00 AM
Feb 2020

Prices and availability will always seek equilibrium.

Part of the problem is poorly thought out zoning laws, part of it is taxes as landlords have to get enough to cover tax on the profit.

The answer is to incentivize builders with below market price land and tax breaks and set a target rental price. Rent assistance targeted to the working poor is also a start.

If demand continues to grow faster than supply - prices will continue to rise



 

avlbeerfan

(52 posts)
14. The banks
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:11 AM
Feb 2020

In 2008 the entire housing and mortgage casino business was due to be corrected.
A lot of us called our representative in congress at the time and said "not to bail out the banks"
Well the banks came up with this BS line about tanks in the streets to scare congress so they got bailed out.

If they had been allowed to fail and taken over by the federal reserve at that time housing prices would have corrected to a normal level by now.
Instead here we are the same banks wheeling and dealing trading loans to each other called churning paper to generate banker year end bonuses.
With the CEO`s still crapping in gold toilets just like before 2008.

Happy Hoosier

(7,331 posts)
17. I get a little frustrated with the "don't bail out the banks" line.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:32 AM
Feb 2020

Not many people know what that would have meant. If the credit system collapsed, we would have seen another Great Depression. It was bad enough as it is. My issue isn't preventing a complete economic collapse, but rather that no one went to jail.

People were committing outright fraud. My understanding is the main reason it did not happen is that the schemes were so complex that prosecutors did not feel like they could pin the blame on anybody. Everybody knew, of course, but most could claim they were ignorant of the schemes and point the finger at the next guy. We put some laws in place to prevent it from happening again, but they have been systematically dismantled. It WILL happen again.

 

avlbeerfan

(52 posts)
19. credit system
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:48 AM
Feb 2020

No the Federal Reserve would of taken over the banks and that 4 trillion dollars would of kept the system afloat instead of going to bailout fraud.
The system would of returned to normal by now and yes i used to work in the financial sector for a broker.

Happy Hoosier

(7,331 posts)
21. How do you think that would have happened?
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:54 AM
Feb 2020

Who would have lent money? The Fed directly? Nope. Not only is that not their role, but they don't have the infrastructure to do it.

I just can;t see what a better alternative was. My complaint was with the fat that there was ultimately no accountability, so we are guaranteed to experience it again.

 

avlbeerfan

(52 posts)
25. rply
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:27 AM
Feb 2020

I dont remember any credit unions being involved and i recall there were a lot of smaller banks not involved in the fraud of making junk loans.
We agree that Glass-Steagle should of been reimposed and it wasnt.

I still get so angry thinking about Hank Greenburg whining on CNBC about how AIG was a financial institution started by his grandfather and had to be bailed out. Well Hank you should been more diligent.

Happy Hoosier

(7,331 posts)
26. Thanks for the reply...
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:33 AM
Feb 2020

I doubt credit unions could have kept the economy afloat and businesses open, but I appreciate your point of view, Of course, we agree more than we disagree.

Turbineguy

(37,353 posts)
29. I had a student in one of my classes
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:42 AM
Feb 2020

He said he made a good living writing "liar Loans" leading up to the meltdown. They lent people money knowing full well they could not pay it back. They would have to either sell the house for more or default.

Mosby

(16,319 posts)
36. All the TARP money was paid back and the US made a 15 billion dollar profit.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:10 PM
Feb 2020

There was no bailout, the big banks were loaned money.

Your confusing the major banks with brokerage houses, many of which did fail, or were gobbled up at liquidation prices, like Lehman.

 

avlbeerfan

(52 posts)
37. no way
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:16 PM
Feb 2020

Hahaha i call BS lets see an audit of the Fed and see how much toilet paper is still being held.
In fact the big banks got a special deal where they are now called Federal clearing houses and they dont actually have to go public hat in hand to ask for money.
If fact they are hitting up the Fed right now.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
15. Good example of why unemployment is so low.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:18 AM
Feb 2020
She works two jobs, one at Amazon and another at a 7-Eleven store, and sometimes she has a third if she can find the extra work.

Although written about the UK, the article below points out the phenomenon also applies to the U.S. It's low because of inflation and because so many low-income people have lost support income and are forced to work multiple jobs and long hours.

Link: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/17/why-is-uk-unemployment-still-low-we-are-working-longer-hours

Torsten Bell and Laura Gardiner of the Resolution Foundation thinktank have come up with a much simpler explanation: more people are working, and they are working for longer, because as a nation we are a lot poorer than we expected to be.

Bell and Gardiner’s theory goes as follows: the deep recession of 2008-09 led to a dramatic fall in wages as people either took pay cuts or had them imposed on them. In contrast to previous economic cycles, there was no marked bounceback in wages when output started to recover. Rather, earnings growth remained sluggish. Having fallen far further than expected, household incomes stayed low. A median earner is today earning one-fifth less than would have been the case had the pre-crisis trend in real earnings been sustained.

I don't want to hear another damn word out of Republicans on how the economy is doing so great.

KY
 

ansible

(1,718 posts)
16. If you're in California, you can camp on the side of freeways and not get kicked out
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:20 AM
Feb 2020

Technically it's not private land so you're less likely to get kicked out there compared to other areas. There are thousands of homeless people camped out along the freeway here in Highway 99 now and it keeps increasing. It sucks and it can be dangerous, but when you have no other choice it's all you have.

Johnny2X2X

(19,074 posts)
18. It's simply about wages being too low.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:42 AM
Feb 2020

Since 1980 wage growth has fallen so far behind inflation it's just not doable for so many people now.

And the average person has no idea what homelessness looks like, the majority of homeless people are women and children.

Low wages makes home ownership less attainable. If you own your home, yes, you can be foreclosed on and end up homeless still, but the time between falling behind and being thrown out of you home is often a couple years. Really gives people a much better chance to get back on their feet.

 

ansible

(1,718 posts)
20. In California, it's also caused by a chronic shortage of apartments
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:52 AM
Feb 2020

It's getting worse with each passing year because certain assholes in power keep preventing new housing developments being made. They intentionally want the price of rent to get higher and demand to outstrip supply.

Johnny2X2X

(19,074 posts)
22. I'm aware of that
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:59 AM
Feb 2020

California is in a crisis because of 2 reasons that they won't build. One is that they've taken environmentalism just a bit too far and refuse to build on any piece of land that has a nice view, basically 99% of the land. And the rich don't want to build because it lowers property values. California needs about a million new modestly priced apartments.

CrispyQ

(36,479 posts)
28. The 2-bedroom house across the street from me rents for $2,500 per month.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:41 AM
Feb 2020

Gasp! If I sold my house, I would not be able to buy or rent another one in my same neighborhood.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
30. I have to wonder percentages here, how many Americans could?
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:44 AM
Feb 2020

I suspect you are not alone by any stretch of the imagination.

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