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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am terrified about the possibility of Trump being re-elected.
Seeing what is going on in the Roger Stone situation is scaring the hell out of me. He is out of control and no one appears able (or willing) to stop him.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)trying to do what I can to make sure it doesn't happen
doing something feels better than just watching...is there someway you can get involved?
jimfields33
(15,832 posts)Trump is weird!!!!!!
SKKY
(11,813 posts)...millions of dollars into the Senate races we have a chance of winning. Im telling you, we take back the Senate, the WH will follow. No doubt.
TwilightZone
(25,472 posts)Keep the House, make gains in the Senate, try to take back some state legislatures since it's a redistricting year.
Bloomberg says he's going to get rid of Trump whether or not he's the nominee. I suspect his support will extend to others areas, as well, as it did in 2018. Whatever works.
shanti
(21,675 posts)not just one, to do even more damage. Without the Senate, he will be hobbled, and they don't intend for that to happen.
That's why we MUST take the Senate and keep the House. Putin's going to ensure Trump's re-election. Our only hope is the Senate and House. I'm jaded. Sorry.
MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)It isn't just the cheating...it's that he's being allowed to cheat by people who should know better. Remember that they win when we are self defeating. It's okay to be scared...but we can be brave too. We can do this. Evil always overplays its hand. Always.
pwb
(11,276 posts)This petty stuff means nothing and is meant to distract.
TwilightZone
(25,472 posts)I know that many believe that acquittal was going to free him up or something, but in reality, he's basically done whatever he wanted since he was elected, because he knew that the only people who could do something about it - people in his administration, on his staff, and GOP members of the Senate - wouldn't bother.
The only realistic option is the same as it always was. We have to get out the vote like we did in 2018 and do what we can to boot him out in November. Keep the House, make gains in the Senate and in state legislatures. Only then can we start moving forward again.
we can do it
(12,189 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,519 posts)Democrats have to win with such overwhelming numbers that Trumpco can't fix the vote, even with Russian interference.
Stuart G
(38,436 posts)Most people hate bullies. Most people do not like people like Trump who are crooks.
...Further, Trump's attitude is, "I can get away with anything" That is clear to everyone..
Trump's show is not new. He has been the boss for over 3 years. Trump is making most people in the U.S.A. sick..........
You don't have to be a brilliant rocket scientist to understand who Donald Trump is/was/& will always be.
He offends 60 percent of our entire population in the U.S.A.
Trump will end up with less than 40 % of the vote. Just wait and see. Why? He is such unfair person that he makes people sick. And he pushes people around, and does not hide it and never apologizes for anything. That is what I believe and it is clear to most people. We will see in November. Trump cannot evade the truth, or fix the election. The numbers will be overwhelming, Trump has shown us who he is.
at140
(6,110 posts)in November. But 9 months is eternity in politics. Anything can happen.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)Consider the effectiveness of his purges. He's getting his revenge on each of the people who stood opposed to him during his impeachment. Everyone who testified in defiance of his edicts is being fired or threatened with investigations.
I'm in complete agreement with your terror that Trump might be re-elected. We're actually talking about how we could leave the country.
It's a small compensation, but have another heart, TNNurse.
TNNurse
(6,927 posts)and the DOJ wants a lesser sentence, I believe letting him do whatever the hell he wants means there is no controlling him. And no damn Republican has a conscience or sense of decency to even speak out. Except for Mitt that one but very important vote. They are shutting him out of things though. So maybe I mean the government is out of control.
Thanks, though.
mnhtnbb
(31,395 posts)I would think long and hard about staying here.
During the Bushie boy years, my husband and I got involved with buying property in Panama--which is very hospitable to retirees--but unfortunately, we ended up getting out of the deal after our house burned down and then Obama was elected. We figured we no longer needed an "escape hatch". But I did acquire a permanent resident visa that I suppose could be reactivated with the help of our Panamanian attorney.
Now I am a widow. Moving abroad alone pushing 70 (which I will be next year) is not all that appealing. I do have friends in France--and one friend decamped from here over 10 years ago and now has a French passport. He lives in Lyon and I know would introduce me to friends, although he is about 20 years younger than I am. On my own, I'd rather be in France, I think, than in a tropical location.
There is a DU'er who moved with his wife from Philly to France last year. I know another DU'er who dreams about it--and travels to France often--and I've wondered if a group of us got together and relocated if it would be easier.
What exit plans are you considering? Is retirement in the picture?
Skittles
(153,169 posts)do not let fascist fucks drive you out of your own country.....STAY AND FIGHT
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)Consider those people (who were the "undesirables" ) who watched the Fascists slowly come to power in Europe during the 1930s and into the 1940s. For the most part, those who survived were those who left. Those who stayed were stuck in two categories: 1) So-called "Good Germans" who proceeded to live their lives while the war raged throughout Europe; and 2) Those deemed to be disposable humans, including the Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals and many other "undesirables" who were executed.
I've known a handful of folks who got out of Germany/Austria/The Netherlands/France in time. Their stories are instructive to the abhorrent possibilities of our current circumstances.
The pathetic irony of my personal position is that I'm a White Anglo-Saxon of Protestant descent and I'm relatively financially sound. I'm not a target of these Fascists, (unless they read my posts on DU!). I'm, older and I could just retreat to my country house and I would be relatively safe from nearly everything, including a nuclear exchange, (at least for the first couple of days). But that course is unacceptable and insane.
What appalls me is that the 35-40% of so-called Americans who support Trump's political movement is that their perspective is antithetical to my conscience. Ultimately, my single vote might not be enough, (especially since I vote in New York City). Yet, I will always vote a straight Democratic ticket.
ETA: Have a couple of hearts, friend.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)fascists win with fear and threats
edited to add: I have zero doubt that if Trump could have his critics imprisoned, tortured, executed - HE WOULD and the MAGAts would be just fine with it
eissa
(4,238 posts)hopefulness (we've been on a winning election streak since he took over the WH) and ulcer-inducing despair. The fact that he had 11,000 people at his NH rally, when none of our candidates came even close to that (Bernie's was the closest at 7,500) is definitely worrisome.
But we have to remember that the election hasn't even started yet; once we rally behind our nominee, and once the DNC gets into gear (I have to remain optimistic that they will actually get into gear) I think things will start looking up. This buffoon is only the president of his base, one that he hasn't grown. He lost the popular vote last time, and that was with a lot of our people sitting the election out. I can't imagine that will happen again, certainly not by the same margins as 2016, and not if we pour resources into states like WI, PA and MI.
Peregrine Took
(7,415 posts)I would be out picketing the WH every day if I lived near by.
Can't understand why there aren't massive crowds there all the time.
Its a conundrum.
TNNurse
(6,927 posts)and until then shut the hell up with any criticism of any of them
We cannot give them anything to use against the Democratic candidate. And they should talk about themselves only, no criticism of each other. Now is not the time.
Efilroft Sul
(3,579 posts)Jimbo S
(2,958 posts)I fear his chance of re-election is > 50%. Many people vote their pocketbook. This reminds me of 2004 and the soft economy rebounded just enough to save "W".
kurtcagle
(1,604 posts)As sad as it says that I am hoping for a recession, I think we will be in one by Summer. The ADP Payroll numbers for January (which covers December paychecks) were really odd - a huge increase in leisure and hospitality, yet only a 2K increase in IT jobs that month. IT's always a bellwether - people staff up for IT as they are beginning new software initiatives, and a 2K number indicatest that hiring in one of the supposedly hottest markets in the economy is non-existent.
I think the February payroll is going to look a lot worse. It's one reason I don't think that Trump can count on the economy remaining strong going into the election.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)That would help remove Trump more than $10 billion worth of ads could ever accomplish.
Weird situation for me because I'm heavily involved in the stock market. Every day when I wake up and see green I think...good, no actually bad
TreadSoftly
(219 posts)I'm here in TN myself. We are in bad shape with the Civil war / KKK guy proclamation that near as I can tell hasn't been removed as promised, and the lousy deal they handed potential adoptees -- children -- by allowing non-heteros to be taken off lists of potential homes by religious "vendors" of adoption services.
I am thinking of emigrating to Virginia where they seem to be passing laws that should be passed. Bristol is in both states (across the street) so maybe I can spread elixir of good sense from VA to TN!!!
Lars39
(26,109 posts)Fellow TNean here...it is like an alternative universe most of the time.
TreadSoftly
(219 posts)Yes, DU is a refuge. TN is still fighting the Civil War and I don't think the Union is winning here in Eastern part.
GaYellowDawg
(4,447 posts)I agree. Wish I didnt.
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)trying to distract by being involved in local politics and causes that mean something to me. Trying to stay positive that things WILL change come november.
Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)and it will be damaging to me. I find escapist entertainment helps.
I just have to accept that if we lose, it will be the end of the Republic. It was a nice experiment while it lasted.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)winstars
(4,220 posts)And now he is in control of all our futures.
I often wondered how Germany let Hitler rise to do what he did. Well, its very simple:
THEY FUCKING ELECTED HIM AND THEN THERE WASN'T ANOTHER ELECTION FOR A LOOOOONG TIME.
We are living it now...
Sound familiar???
Vivienne235729
(3,384 posts)We need to take back the senate. The race that I have adopted is the one w Mark Kelly running against Martha McTrumpface. Kelly is currently leading by 4pts. But it just means we cant ease up and work harder.
GaYellowDawg
(4,447 posts)I know what you mean, and hopefully the nation will be less taken in than our neighbors.