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I am terrified about the possibility of Trump being re-elected. (Original Post) TNNurse Feb 2020 OP
I understand and feel the same Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #1
I don't understand why he just didn't pardon him jimfields33 Feb 2020 #26
Which is why we need to activate a 2nd strategy and throw... SKKY Feb 2020 #2
We need to target everything TwilightZone Feb 2020 #10
Exactly, he needs both shanti Feb 2020 #34
Me, too. Rider3 Feb 2020 #3
I am too. MontanaMama Feb 2020 #4
Not me. The Blue tsunami is coming. pwb Feb 2020 #5
He's been like that since day one. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #6
Me too. we can do it Feb 2020 #7
The thought of that happening makes me sick to my stomach. Arkansas Granny Feb 2020 #8
Democrats will win with overwhelming numbers...I believe this is why. Trump is a crook & a bully. Stuart G Feb 2020 #23
If size of crowds is reliable indicator, Trump could win NH at140 Feb 2020 #27
Is Trump actually "out of control?" PJMcK Feb 2020 #9
When I see that the prosecutor in the Stone case resigned TNNurse Feb 2020 #12
You know, if somehow, 45 wins in November, mnhtnbb Feb 2020 #16
never leave Skittles Feb 2020 #28
Skittles, you are an amazing American and awesome DUer! PJMcK Feb 2020 #31
I am not a target and I would stay and fight with those who cannot leave Skittles Feb 2020 #32
I teeter between eissa Feb 2020 #11
We all are. What to do about it? Peregrine Took Feb 2020 #13
The only thing I know is to stand solidly behind the Democratic candidate TNNurse Feb 2020 #15
Let that be all our motivation. Efilroft Sul Feb 2020 #14
The economy Jimbo S Feb 2020 #17
I'm not that worried on the economic front kurtcagle Feb 2020 #29
We need an obvious economic downturn by summer Awsi Dooger Feb 2020 #35
TN is especially depressing TreadSoftly Feb 2020 #18
Welcome to DU, TreadSoftly! Lars39 Feb 2020 #21
Thank you, Lars39! TreadSoftly Feb 2020 #30
As another resident of East TN... GaYellowDawg Feb 2020 #36
He was PUTIN office and they're going to try again. nt Baltimike Feb 2020 #19
Yeah, me too... Dorian Gray Feb 2020 #20
I'm trying not to worry overly much. Mostly because it won't do any good Crunchy Frog Feb 2020 #22
Don't worry too much...black folks will save us in this election. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #24
As a NY'er, I have seen this coming since Day 1. He is a fucking wanna-be tough guy... winstars Feb 2020 #25
All more the reason I have turned my focus to close senate races. Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #33
Have a heart, from another TN resident. GaYellowDawg Feb 2020 #37
The sad thing is he has become normalized. SweetieD Feb 2020 #38

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
1. I understand and feel the same
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:10 PM
Feb 2020

trying to do what I can to make sure it doesn't happen

doing something feels better than just watching...is there someway you can get involved?

SKKY

(11,813 posts)
2. Which is why we need to activate a 2nd strategy and throw...
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:12 PM
Feb 2020

...millions of dollars into the Senate races we have a chance of winning. I’m telling you, we take back the Senate, the WH will follow. No doubt.

TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
10. We need to target everything
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:30 PM
Feb 2020

Keep the House, make gains in the Senate, try to take back some state legislatures since it's a redistricting year.

Bloomberg says he's going to get rid of Trump whether or not he's the nominee. I suspect his support will extend to others areas, as well, as it did in 2018. Whatever works.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
34. Exactly, he needs both
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:17 AM
Feb 2020

not just one, to do even more damage. Without the Senate, he will be hobbled, and they don't intend for that to happen.

Rider3

(919 posts)
3. Me, too.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:13 PM
Feb 2020

That's why we MUST take the Senate and keep the House. Putin's going to ensure Trump's re-election. Our only hope is the Senate and House. I'm jaded. Sorry.

MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)
4. I am too.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:15 PM
Feb 2020

It isn't just the cheating...it's that he's being allowed to cheat by people who should know better. Remember that they win when we are self defeating. It's okay to be scared...but we can be brave too. We can do this. Evil always overplays its hand. Always.

TwilightZone

(25,472 posts)
6. He's been like that since day one.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:19 PM
Feb 2020

I know that many believe that acquittal was going to free him up or something, but in reality, he's basically done whatever he wanted since he was elected, because he knew that the only people who could do something about it - people in his administration, on his staff, and GOP members of the Senate - wouldn't bother.

The only realistic option is the same as it always was. We have to get out the vote like we did in 2018 and do what we can to boot him out in November. Keep the House, make gains in the Senate and in state legislatures. Only then can we start moving forward again.

Arkansas Granny

(31,519 posts)
8. The thought of that happening makes me sick to my stomach.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:22 PM
Feb 2020

Democrats have to win with such overwhelming numbers that Trumpco can't fix the vote, even with Russian interference.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
23. Democrats will win with overwhelming numbers...I believe this is why. Trump is a crook & a bully.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:43 PM
Feb 2020

Most people hate bullies. Most people do not like people like Trump who are crooks.
...Further, Trump's attitude is, "I can get away with anything" That is clear to everyone..

Trump's show is not new. He has been the boss for over 3 years. Trump is making most people in the U.S.A. sick..........

You don't have to be a brilliant rocket scientist to understand who Donald Trump is/was/& will always be.

He offends 60 percent of our entire population in the U.S.A.

Trump will end up with less than 40 % of the vote. Just wait and see. Why? He is such unfair person that he makes people sick. And he pushes people around, and does not hide it and never apologizes for anything. That is what I believe and it is clear to most people. We will see in November. Trump cannot evade the truth, or fix the election. The numbers will be overwhelming, Trump has shown us who he is.

at140

(6,110 posts)
27. If size of crowds is reliable indicator, Trump could win NH
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:06 PM
Feb 2020

in November. But 9 months is eternity in politics. Anything can happen.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
9. Is Trump actually "out of control?"
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:24 PM
Feb 2020

Consider the effectiveness of his purges. He's getting his revenge on each of the people who stood opposed to him during his impeachment. Everyone who testified in defiance of his edicts is being fired or threatened with investigations.

I'm in complete agreement with your terror that Trump might be re-elected. We're actually talking about how we could leave the country.

It's a small compensation, but have another heart, TNNurse.

TNNurse

(6,927 posts)
12. When I see that the prosecutor in the Stone case resigned
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:54 PM
Feb 2020

and the DOJ wants a lesser sentence, I believe letting him do whatever the hell he wants means there is no controlling him. And no damn Republican has a conscience or sense of decency to even speak out. Except for Mitt that one but very important vote. They are shutting him out of things though. So maybe I mean the government is out of control.

Thanks, though.

mnhtnbb

(31,395 posts)
16. You know, if somehow, 45 wins in November,
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:01 PM
Feb 2020

I would think long and hard about staying here.

During the Bushie boy years, my husband and I got involved with buying property in Panama--which is very hospitable to retirees--but unfortunately, we ended up getting out of the deal after our house burned down and then Obama was elected. We figured we no longer needed an "escape hatch". But I did acquire a permanent resident visa that I suppose could be reactivated with the help of our Panamanian attorney.

Now I am a widow. Moving abroad alone pushing 70 (which I will be next year) is not all that appealing. I do have friends in France--and one friend decamped from here over 10 years ago and now has a French passport. He lives in Lyon and I know would introduce me to friends, although he is about 20 years younger than I am. On my own, I'd rather be in France, I think, than in a tropical location.

There is a DU'er who moved with his wife from Philly to France last year. I know another DU'er who dreams about it--and travels to France often--and I've wondered if a group of us got together and relocated if it would be easier.

What exit plans are you considering? Is retirement in the picture?

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
31. Skittles, you are an amazing American and awesome DUer!
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:54 PM
Feb 2020

Consider those people (who were the "undesirables" ) who watched the Fascists slowly come to power in Europe during the 1930s and into the 1940s. For the most part, those who survived were those who left. Those who stayed were stuck in two categories: 1) So-called "Good Germans" who proceeded to live their lives while the war raged throughout Europe; and 2) Those deemed to be disposable humans, including the Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals and many other "undesirables" who were executed.

I've known a handful of folks who got out of Germany/Austria/The Netherlands/France in time. Their stories are instructive to the abhorrent possibilities of our current circumstances.

The pathetic irony of my personal position is that I'm a White Anglo-Saxon of Protestant descent and I'm relatively financially sound. I'm not a target of these Fascists, (unless they read my posts on DU!). I'm, older and I could just retreat to my country house and I would be relatively safe from nearly everything, including a nuclear exchange, (at least for the first couple of days). But that course is unacceptable and insane.

What appalls me is that the 35-40% of so-called Americans who support Trump's political movement is that their perspective is antithetical to my conscience. Ultimately, my single vote might not be enough, (especially since I vote in New York City). Yet, I will always vote a straight Democratic ticket.

ETA: Have a couple of hearts, friend.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
32. I am not a target and I would stay and fight with those who cannot leave
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:58 PM
Feb 2020

fascists win with fear and threats

edited to add: I have zero doubt that if Trump could have his critics imprisoned, tortured, executed - HE WOULD and the MAGAts would be just fine with it

eissa

(4,238 posts)
11. I teeter between
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:50 PM
Feb 2020

hopefulness (we've been on a winning election streak since he took over the WH) and ulcer-inducing despair. The fact that he had 11,000 people at his NH rally, when none of our candidates came even close to that (Bernie's was the closest at 7,500) is definitely worrisome.

But we have to remember that the election hasn't even started yet; once we rally behind our nominee, and once the DNC gets into gear (I have to remain optimistic that they will actually get into gear) I think things will start looking up. This buffoon is only the president of his base, one that he hasn't grown. He lost the popular vote last time, and that was with a lot of our people sitting the election out. I can't imagine that will happen again, certainly not by the same margins as 2016, and not if we pour resources into states like WI, PA and MI.

Peregrine Took

(7,415 posts)
13. We all are. What to do about it?
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:55 PM
Feb 2020

I would be out picketing the WH every day if I lived near by.

Can't understand why there aren't massive crowds there all the time.

Its a conundrum.

TNNurse

(6,927 posts)
15. The only thing I know is to stand solidly behind the Democratic candidate
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 05:58 PM
Feb 2020

and until then shut the hell up with any criticism of any of them

We cannot give them anything to use against the Democratic candidate. And they should talk about themselves only, no criticism of each other. Now is not the time.

Jimbo S

(2,958 posts)
17. The economy
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:35 PM
Feb 2020

I fear his chance of re-election is > 50%. Many people vote their pocketbook. This reminds me of 2004 and the soft economy rebounded just enough to save "W".

kurtcagle

(1,604 posts)
29. I'm not that worried on the economic front
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:16 PM
Feb 2020

As sad as it says that I am hoping for a recession, I think we will be in one by Summer. The ADP Payroll numbers for January (which covers December paychecks) were really odd - a huge increase in leisure and hospitality, yet only a 2K increase in IT jobs that month. IT's always a bellwether - people staff up for IT as they are beginning new software initiatives, and a 2K number indicatest that hiring in one of the supposedly hottest markets in the economy is non-existent.

I think the February payroll is going to look a lot worse. It's one reason I don't think that Trump can count on the economy remaining strong going into the election.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
35. We need an obvious economic downturn by summer
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:56 AM
Feb 2020

That would help remove Trump more than $10 billion worth of ads could ever accomplish.

Weird situation for me because I'm heavily involved in the stock market. Every day when I wake up and see green I think...good, no actually bad

TreadSoftly

(219 posts)
18. TN is especially depressing
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:57 PM
Feb 2020

I'm here in TN myself. We are in bad shape with the Civil war / KKK guy proclamation that near as I can tell hasn't been removed as promised, and the lousy deal they handed potential adoptees -- children -- by allowing non-heteros to be taken off lists of potential homes by religious "vendors" of adoption services.

I am thinking of emigrating to Virginia where they seem to be passing laws that should be passed. Bristol is in both states (across the street) so maybe I can spread elixir of good sense from VA to TN!!!

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
21. Welcome to DU, TreadSoftly!
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:31 PM
Feb 2020

Fellow TNean here...it is like an alternative universe most of the time.

TreadSoftly

(219 posts)
30. Thank you, Lars39!
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 11:20 PM
Feb 2020

Yes, DU is a refuge. TN is still fighting the Civil War and I don't think the Union is winning here in Eastern part.


Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
20. Yeah, me too...
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:28 PM
Feb 2020

trying to distract by being involved in local politics and causes that mean something to me. Trying to stay positive that things WILL change come november.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
22. I'm trying not to worry overly much. Mostly because it won't do any good
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:39 PM
Feb 2020

and it will be damaging to me. I find escapist entertainment helps.

I just have to accept that if we lose, it will be the end of the Republic. It was a nice experiment while it lasted.

winstars

(4,220 posts)
25. As a NY'er, I have seen this coming since Day 1. He is a fucking wanna-be tough guy...
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:02 PM
Feb 2020

And now he is in control of all our futures.



I often wondered how Germany let Hitler rise to do what he did. Well, its very simple:

THEY FUCKING ELECTED HIM AND THEN THERE WASN'T ANOTHER ELECTION FOR A LOOOOONG TIME.

We are living it now...

Sound familiar???

Vivienne235729

(3,384 posts)
33. All more the reason I have turned my focus to close senate races.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:13 AM
Feb 2020

We need to take back the senate. The race that I have adopted is the one w Mark Kelly running against Martha McTrumpface. Kelly is currently leading by 4pts. But it just means we cant ease up and work harder.

GaYellowDawg

(4,447 posts)
37. Have a heart, from another TN resident.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:50 AM
Feb 2020

I know what you mean, and hopefully the nation will be less taken in than our neighbors.

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