....popular press finds it interesting, much less newsworthy.

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every day this summer since about August 1 I've immediately said "Oh Shit!" as soon as I've seen that day's update.

This is seriously scary.

Petro industry and the Canadians (want that NW passage eh?) would probably interfere. We COULD do something if we just would get deadly serious.

Until the climate stabilizes at a new state of balance.

My question is this. What part of the biosphere survives the new state? We may all end up living in Canada. Although I wouldn't blame them if they decided that they won't have us, eh?

Edmonton, 2112: population 68 million.

And not a breath of this at either convention.

The President DID speak about the responsibility we have to care for our planet. Romney made fun of it.

Are we frogs being slowly boiled?

more important. I've been saying this for years.

This is the fault of republican deniers. They are killing our planet. I resent the hell out of them for this. They are literally taking us all down with them.

with an eternal stint in heaven, and that we evil environmentalists will be consigned to burn in hell.

Maybe I missed something but I didn't hear one.

He said CC was not a hoax but offered no new proposals.

in fact, it was passed by the House early in his term.

I think talking about it for more than a sentence or two would be called for.

i could respond, but you'll just change your argument again.

Or else you would have. People say CC threatens the very existence of humankind, things have to been done right now, and there was almost no mention of it at the convention.

In the face of legislative obstruction, I think there's a lot to be said for the administration's approach.

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/endangerment/

Yet Rmoney laughed.

1 - Turn up the air conditioning.
2 - Rising seas?* Raise your cuffs and take a few steps inland.
3 - Melting ice? Great, now we can get to still more of that bubblin' crude!
4 - Al Gore, Al Gore, Al Gore, Al Gore....
5 - It's all a giant lie perpetrated by the National Weather Service and godless scientists.
5 - Yawn, hey, what's on the teevee tonight?

* Of course, rises in ocean water levels are only caused by the melting of glacial land ice, but included because I actually heard a co-worker say this.

and no matter what we try to say to her about global warming, she is convinced that it doesn't exist. Not that she doesn't see the current trends of the earth getting warmer. She believes that this is simply cyclical and that this isn't the first time it has happened, and not the worst time it has happened. She doesn't see that this is probably the worst it's been and will continue to get worse still.

It's like telling those who believed the earth was flat, that no, really it's round. You only confuse them with facts.

Tell her bird patterns are changing and migratory birds are migrating south later or not at all.

Tell her that spring comes earlier and fall later and insect infestations are greater. Droughts are deeper and more frequent.

Tell her that summer nights (and days) are getting hotter.

Tell her food prices are going higher at a faster rate than in recent decades.

There are many other examples that can be tailored to her particular interests and hobbies and foibles.

as my husband, his brother & wife have all tried to 'educate' her and her husband. In fact, her husband is a geologist, so he of all people should be more apt than others, to accept these truths! She just saw the movie 2016, and loved it. Ate up all the crap it spewed, and she hates Obama. She is one of those far-right tea-baggers, whose mind is as full as they want it to be, of nonsense and lies.

I appreciate your reply-

Or thinks it's a long time off, and some scientist will develop a cure by then.

only I don't think she is the latter, believing a cure will happen in the future. She is so sure that she is right, and the 'facts' are a liberal/socialist plot, that she won't even listen.

It's peculiar how people can create a consiracy that requires physical scientists to participate on the side of a socialist conspiracy. They are often pretty apolitical people.

And he hates Obama.

As long as we're here, there is hope. What we are seeing is potentially a disaster that could overwhelm all of humanity, destroy the world as we know it. It is also though... I think possible, that we might discover a solution, or many solutions that, when used together, enable us to survive. I don't know whether it's too late to prevent the ultimate worst case scenario by improving environmental standards and regulations... but we are making progress there - not as much as we need to, but progress nonetheless.

We are a species capable of great things as well as terrible ones. We've put humanity on the moon, we've left behind the Monarchies and Empires of the past. We have overcome tyrants who threatened the overwhelming destruction of all that we hold sacred.

We haven't lost yet.

They'll fuck it up.

that's the adjective I use.

Thanks for the thread, KoKo.

start to melt where things will get worse by exponential leaps and bounds? I'm no expert on this but I hope we're not entering that phase.

drastic international action that will simply never be allowed by our corporate overlords, nor tolerated by their slow-witted servants. So it's every person for themselves, Coastal cities will be the worst places to be in the coming decades.

They are so twisted...

and we wonder what sort of weather the Pacific Northwest will be having this Fall & Winter.

Let the cold wind blow