was reason to go to war.

Won't anyone think of the children?

I mean, other than Jeffrey Epstein and Jim Jordan's buddies.

....in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

The same moms who want to protect their kids from Shakira and JLo are the ones who drooled thirstily over Adam Levine's superb owl show

They accused her of murder, FFS. Republicans will ALWAYS find a reason to attack. And I shudder to think how ugly they'll be if, say Pete Buttigieg ends up in the White House with Chasten as First Gentleman. You think the attacks on Michelle's arms were bad? Just wait.

Think "Pizzagate" was ugly? The offal-eaters in the fascist-Trump wing of American hate-politics will sink to yet unplumbed depths of depravity -- yes, there still are depths they haven't yet sunk to -- in their vile and lying attacks.

Including at least one running for highest office of the land.

As mentioned in the OP

A white suburban mom treated with kid gloves after getting in the face of a cop is white privilege. Republican attacks against Obama is Republicans being Republicans. They attack ANYONE with a "D" behind his or her name. Mitch McConnell would have done the same thing to, say, a Howard Dean admin, a John Kerry admin, etc. You think if Joe Biden somehow ends up as prez that McConnell will treat him better as far as policy, legislation, SCOTUS nominees, etc.? He won't. Obama had a massive voter army behind him and Rethuglicans knew it -- they would stop at nothing to neuter him and the Democratic Party. Republican-controlled state legislatures are neutering Democratic governors... racism, misandry, misogyny, what?

Obamacare was attacked just like Hillarycare was attacked but it was so much more magnified in recent years because of the hold FUX, right-wing radio, and social media have over voters.

Lamar Alexander admitted that they let Fat Nixon off the hook because they're getting what they want -- stacked courts, tax cuts, immigration policy, etc. We all know they'd be embracing Michael Steele if he were prez and giving them what they want.

selected image properties, but I only got an imgur address
https:// i.imgur dot com slash rVG9yKz dot png
but maybe that will help?

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Kinda loses power when the last 4 words aren't showing.

likes and accepts Obama Care, i.e. The Affordable Care Act,
in fact, many Repubs lost their seats in '18 over their perceived hostility toward it.

overturn it--spending million$ each time?

Or are we talking about the pro-"life" party who wants to go back to a policy that allowed 40,000 working class Americans to die each year for lack of coverage?

Christ, bin Laden killed 3,000 Americans and we lost our Trump over it. Went to war with the wrong country and killed even more Americans in the process--and these mortar forkers are pro-life?

I must need a new dictionary.

If you can distinguish between those two words you don't need a new dictionary.


P.S. Only about 13 percent of Americans identify as "Republican".

"As of December 2019, Gallup polling found that 28% of Americans identified as Democrat, 28% identified as Republican, and 41% as Independent." Quote actually from Wiki, but there you have it.

While I hear what both of you are saying, I'm reminded of the people of KY. They 'hated' Obamacare but loved 'KYnect'. Always depends on how you phrase it, and in polls, on how you ask the question.

For instance, contrast these:

'Do you want Medicare expanded to all Americans?'

vs

'Do you want a national system that would take away your employer-provided health coverage?'

All in the way you say it.

and Gallup, by the way, isn't considered very reliable by most on DU.

My point still stands, in any case -- Most Americans now favor Obamacare, and no amount of varied verbiage can bring back the seats of the Republicans who lost them because of it in '18.

properly, over half would like a national single payer system. Practical or not, if you ask the question properly, most Americans would like to not worry - EVER - about premiums, copays, coinsurance, or any of that. Remember that even WITH ACA, over 66% of bankruptcies are due to medical bills.

As to Gallup, yeah their CEO is a right winger. That's true. But many of Gallup's polls, particularly about the workplace, are good if taken with a grain of salt.

The deeper issue here, on this thread that has to do with white privilege, is that the Republicans wasted millions of taxpayer dollars with what, over 140 votes to repeal when they controlled the House? We have to ask why, because Obamacare is straight from the Heritage Foundation, which is a right-wing think tank. Its basic structure was put forth in the early nineties as a response to Hillary Clinton's efforts to reform healthcare after her husband was elected president.

The Republicans should have embraced it. Obama and the Democrats, who controlled both houses in 2009, decided to take single-payer OFF the table and so they put this forth in the hope that, as Obama said, we could 'have a different kind of politics.'

But Obama had the temerity to be intelligent, decisive, and competent as a president WHILE BEING BLACK. That's the point. The Obamas were subjected to horrible things because of that, all through his eight years in office. Of course, the GOP could have opposed a white president in lock-step also, which would dilute the point of the OP, just because of the tactics Karl Rove learned from Lee Atwater. We'll never know that, I guess.

as an indication of "white privilege" is a reach. The Repubs have a LONG history of oppossing ANY sort of government healthcare plan, beginning at least as far back as the '60's with Medicare, which fought, calling it "Socialism"..You might remember their more recent fight against Hillary's Healthcare plan. Insurance companies are long- time GOP donors. It's about Money, not race.

and that's cost them a heap of trouble.

After the train wreck of Trump, I think the GOP should go the way of the Whig party.

I don't see any pundits or people on the street running to the dictionary.

Everything with them has "bass ackward" spin on it.

For example, most Kentucky residents: https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2013/8/23/1233305/-Kentuckians-Hate-Obamacare-But-Love-It-By-Another-Name

They think it was from their state, mostly WHITE, representatives.

You might want to find something.more recent, or at least refer to what you have in the past, instead of the present tense.

PS. Even when you do that, the point still stands as the single state of Kentucky hardly approximates "the nation".

They still hate Obama and Hillary with a passion.

As of 2017, 81% of Republicans hated Obamacare: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/12/13/570479181/why-do-so-many-people-hate-obamacare-so-much

even if it had NOT, it's still only one small state, e.g, NOT Representative, so can we move on, already?

in our political system? Especially things associated with white privilege?

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as an example of "white privilege".

You seem upset, and I think it's because you misunderstood me. I was not saying that white privilege doesn't exist, I was simply saying that Obamacare wasn''t a good example of it.

I didn't discuss other, more onvious examples, because I didn't view the thread as an open discussion of white privilege itself, just the OP:s example of it.

SHE was trying to get a healthcare program going too.
But everyone has to try to get their 15 minutes these days using whatever tactic they can

You dont think they would've gone just as hard against Pres Howard Dean when he would have put forth HIS health plan? Come on.

this is NOT a good example of white privilege

it's more an example of GOP treachery

thus any Dem politician (including white, but especially a nonwhite or female) is viewed as a stand-in or proxy for blacks, women, gays, etc.

Bill Clinton - a fiscally moderate white guy - was detested by many whites who perceived him to be a 'n----r lover'.

True, the GOP elites/donors etc are mainly concerned with the money aspect, but the typical white voter is more driven by race/gender/orientation etc.

All of this tweeting, is, well, great, I guess. But these people need to be getting off their asses and registering voters, phone-banking, knocking on doors, and driving voters to the polls. I hope they're doing so already but I'm not really convinced that they are.

The absurdities and disparities in our system do need to be pointed out. How can we do anything about them if we don't even notice them?

And plus we do need to do more than just vote... because I remember the non-Trump person got more votes in 2016, didn't mean a thing.

and there was much discussion on this site about what the Hillary campaign did wrong. We can't make those same mistakes again in 2020 -- there needs to be a MASSIVE GOTV effort in those states, along with MN since Rs are targeting that state. I agree that 'absurdities and disparities' need to be pointed out, but our candidates will be attacked - always - because of the "D" behind their names. Not everything can be couched in an -ism; Republicans will find an opening and home in with precision focus (John Kerry and Max Cleland come to mind). The thing I like about Bloomberg is that he's throwing their bullshit back in their faces, while many of our candidates seem to be tip-toeing around Trump/right-wing media attacks. We're bringing knives to a gun fight, and Bloomberg's bringing the bazooka.

And true. I'm still tripping on how Michelle was treated.

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back in the '90s. Those accepting Trump are doing so because they're getting what they want -- stacked courts, environmental degradation for fossil fuel industry, cuts to social welfare programs, etc. This isn't racism, it's economics. Those at the top are taking everything and leaving crumbs for the rest of us.

as unpatriotic? DUers need to understand that there is no depth to which they won't sink to win -- no Democratic candidate is safe.

I do hope the Obama's get HEAVILY involved in November. Messaging, getting out the vote, etc. especially in PA, MI and WI. We don't win without those states.

They want the orangeanus for ONE reason. He has an R behind his name. They have been brainwashed by limpballs and faux snooze to HATE everyone with a D behind their names. It is as simple as that. I live in a part of America that is almost all repug. I see the posts daily. I hear them talk daily. It's ugly and has NOTHING do to with the environment or economics.

and pro-fossil fuels. The Republican Party IS tax cuts/spending/raising the deficit to astronomical levels. The Republican Party IS taking away your healthcare. And thanks to Limpballs bleating and Annthrax wielding her poison pen -- for decades -- Republicans are indeed programmed to hate all things Democratic/Liberal. They're getting back at us for decades of progress -- think New Deal, civil rights, womens' rights, etc. Lamar Alexander admitted that they didn't stop Trump because they're getting what they want (e.g., stacked courts, tax cuts). Didn't Rubio also say similar? "He's guilty, but..."? They're coming for SS and Medicare and the Democratic Party better step up its messaging and get voters (no matter how -ist they are) on OUR side or this country is finished.

Not pretending it didn't serves no purpose.

ALWAYS. Then we howl, people vote, and they still win. Why did we win the 2018 midterms... healthcare? Until these types of issues hit most *sane* Rethugs/Indies in their wallets, they'll turn a blind eye to the -isms and continue to vote for the -ists.

I remember that. They called it "Hillary Care".

Sandra Day O'Connor, Joni Ernst, etc.

They accused the Clintons of murder. What was that? Misogyny and misandry? Richard Mellon Scaife funded the attacks against them because he was protecting his class. People need to understand it is ALWAYS about the bucks.

The DOJ Shielding the white guy from extortion but opening new investigations into the actions of a Black President for having an independent DOJ.

Let's fix that.

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Will put a link in the OP