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That a friend asked me as his wife him and I had breakfast at diner this morning.
My response was yes either to stay try stay in office and suspend the elections. Obviously to try and duck the SDNY. Or if he is re elected pass the holy water because we will need it. In this scenario I hope we have taken the senate as well.
ck4829
(35,091 posts)I never thought I would see a crackpot like Trump become President
I never thought I would see the people opposed to white nationalists be described as the bad guys instead of the white nationalists.
So... I don't know.
Joinfortmill
(14,465 posts)I hope the deep, deep state does something deep.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)Due to the "VAST Right wing, Republican, ILLUMINATI" that control the Republican party, the right wing media, and the fascist super rich,... the term "Deep State" has taken on the definition of "VAST Left wing, Democratic, ILLUMINATI" that are buried deep in the government, controlling every political decision made.
Of course it is total projection, they actually DO what they are accusing US of doing.
How do we explain that in reality, the Deep State is really nothing but career government employees who work for decades in jobs, under both Democratic and Republican administrations, allowing a smooth process of governing from administration to administration?
Simple concept, but totally distorted by Breitbart, Alex Jones, and the likes of the druggie, pedophile, SEX tourist, Limpballs, etc.
We have to deconstruct "Deep State".
PJMcK
(22,050 posts)How could Trump be stopped from declaring martial law? Congress obviously can't or won't rein him in.
Strange times.
TEB
(12,897 posts)Duppers
(28,127 posts)democrank
(11,109 posts)The United States of America is being governed by a cult.
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)Ohiogal
(32,086 posts)That I would have never dreamed would happen in a million years.
I wish those who are apathetic and the both siders would wake the hell up.
TEB
(12,897 posts)dem4decades
(11,304 posts)Asshole so when history looks back we can see just how fucked up a period we lived in.
barbtries
(28,811 posts)not only has mcconnell abused his power maniacally, but he's turned the senate into a legislative graveyard and prevented so many laws from even being discussed let alone passed, laws that would improve the quality of life for everyday Americans. And then the trump connection. sigh.
It's not enough to win the WH away from Trump. We need it all. Then it will be generations trying to repair the damage done and resurrecting our democracy.
I don't know about the martial law question. I don't think that it will go well if he does it. I think that might be just the thing to get the people into the streets in vast numbers, which should already be happening.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Our BIGGEST problem are his rabid supporters. Anything and everything is possible, most of it NOT good.
TEB
(12,897 posts)And I know several and one of them my du friend is as trump supporter is rabid in his views
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)imminent threat at the time of his bombing . . consequence over 100 American soldiers suffered head injuries, not simple headaches and it took over a week or so to confirm this had happened. Gawd knows what other secrets this administration is keeping and lying about.
Concentration camps for the immigrants. Elite ICE soldiers on their way to sanctuary cities. WH fired majority of America's scientists and cut major funding for CDC and now the world and the USA is facing outbreaks of coronavirus. Anti- Semitism and Anti-POC is on the raise.
DOJ is no longer the people's attorneys. Republican party is now a cult duly in the corner of a monster in the WH. The economy is slowly deteriorating, and so on . . .
America is not the positive leader of the world, and a laughing stock with serious consequences. Pompeo, Kushner are complete idiots. I would not put it pass t-rump to attempt and fabricate a fake emergency for Martial Law.
But alas, I think we can win the WH and keep the House and win the Senate. One thing about USA's - democracy will prevail.
TEB
(12,897 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)TEB
(12,897 posts)safeinOhio
(32,727 posts)stocking up on canned food, rice and beans and buying a big box of 22 shells.
The flu virus and tRump has me thinking.
Times have changed.
TEB
(12,897 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,212 posts)No matter how scary the virus gets, if Trump is re-elected, I'm looking for another country to live in.
safeinOhio
(32,727 posts)and my 16 ft boat can get me to Canada.
Farmer-Rick
(10,212 posts)OnlinePoker
(5,726 posts)Every president, Democrat and Republican. Not saying it won't happen, but I find it doubtful.
johnthewoodworker
(694 posts)control the DOJ or he is toast. He does not survive if he leaves office, so he is not leaving. Win, lose, or draw he cannot leave office.
dware
(12,449 posts)then the Mango Menace no longer has control of the DoJ, that is the SOLE authority of the new President and Trump will be quickly removed, how he goes is up to him, but go he will.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)It all depends if we completely lose DoJ (which is what they're trying to do now).
Scary times, my friend.
TEB
(12,897 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)dware
(12,449 posts)nor can the Mango Menace suspend the elections, those are state run, the feds have no control over them.
This CT crap doesn't belong in the GE section, it belongs in the CT section.
This nonsense has been going on since the Clinton years, first it was the RW claiming that Clinton wasn't going to leave office, then it was GWB wasn't going to leave office, then it was Obama wasn't going to leave office, now, I guess it's the Mango Menace's turn.
The bottom line is that on Nov. 20, 2021, if Trump loses the election, he will no longer be President and he will leave the WH, how he goes is up to him, but leave he will.
I do understand that elections are state ran but I should have clarified. Will he try to interfere and create chaos.
dware
(12,449 posts)but the states won't tolerate it and if we do our job and GOTV, then he has no standing to declare the election null and void, which he can't do anyways.
I truly wish more people would understand how our elections are administered by the states, then there wouldn't be this nonsense that the Mango Menace will suspend the elections, nor declare Martial Law.
There are very narrow circumstances for declaring Martial Law, and possibly getting hammered in the election isn't one of them.
PufPuf23
(8,839 posts)We know that Gore won Florida if the protocol had been followed in recounting the votes but the USSC without precedent stopped the recount and handed GWB the POTUS.
So we know the GOP supported by imbedded conservatives in our national institutions are willing and able to overturn major national elections.
I won't predict on martial law but our elections are far from secure at any level and we are on thin ice in uncharted political terrain at present.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Besides, the next presidential election is November 3, 2020.
dchill
(38,542 posts)...if the elections are suspended?
dware
(12,449 posts)Especially when they're state run?
Trump has no authority to suspend the elections, if he tried, the states would just tell him to fuck off and run their elections.
dchill
(38,542 posts)...whatever I want." Barr will back him up. I expect the first signs of interference just before July 13.
the Mango Menace, nor the DoJ has any authority to suspend the elections, that is the SOLE purview of the states, and the states would tell the WH to fuck off and run the elections anyways.
Can you even imagine the groundswell of protests if that asshole tried that?
It would be epic.
dchill
(38,542 posts)... He's already said so.
dware
(12,449 posts)on Jan. 20, 2021, on the inauguration of the new President, he ceases to have any executive power, the new President will have control of the WH, along with all the Depts. under the purview of the executive branch, which includes the DoJ, Homeland Security, Treasury, etc.
Once again, the Mango Menace will leave, on his own power or in cuffs, but he will leave via the Secret Service, the US Marshal's Service or a combination of both.
I think that would be a Please proceed moment, although perilously close to disaster.
DIVINEprividence
(443 posts)I would not put it past IMPOTUS. If he looks like he is going to lose he will try it. Then this will go beyond the voting booth and we will have to summon the courage and put life and limb at risk and engage in mass protests and civil disobedience
dware
(12,449 posts)The circumstances for declaring Martial Law are very narrow and the possibility of losing the election ain't one of them.
Also, Trump doesn't have the authority to suspend the elections, nor does the DoJ, these are the sole purview of the states.
Nature Man
(869 posts)He claims absolute powers no president has ever claimed.
There is no limit to his depravity.
Not even saying I agree there would ever be martial law.
But this fuckstain has gotten away with things any other president would have been impeached AND removed for even just 20 years ago.
At least he has the stain of impeachment: but the taint of his "legacy" being tarnished is no consolation in the present time.
If he were an intelligent man, we'd be well and truly fucked. I really think the only thing that will be a stopgap is his sheer stupidity and the stupidity of the lackeys he surrounds himself with.
Still, this isn't an administration that pays attentions to things like "pretext," "institutions," and "decency."
They do whatever they please and will continue to do so.
dware
(12,449 posts)when Jan. 20, 2021 comes around, the new President will have the Mango Menace removed from the WH, how he leaves is on him, but leave he will because he will be trespassing then, and the Secret Service takes that very seriously, as do the US Marshal's Service.
Nature Man
(869 posts)was just saying the current administration and Senate acts atrociously in a lawless manner in terms of a larger framework within which multiple angles are being hustled like a $5 crack rock hooker at a truck stop. They do not care about fair play, bipartisanship, precedent, or this country.
dware
(12,449 posts)rzemanfl
(29,570 posts)reminders.
Nature Man
(869 posts)and call him a "walking blob of pus-infected, bilious, frothy, last in line at the gangbang anal "Santorum?"
rzemanfl
(29,570 posts)onenote
(42,768 posts)Ex parte Milligan, 71 U.S. (4 Wall.) 2 (1866)
"If, in foreign invasion or civil war, the courts are actually closed, and it is impossible to administer criminal justice according to law, then, on the theatre of active military operations, where war really prevails, there is a necessity to furnish a substitute for the civil authority, thus overthrown, to preserve the safety of the army and society; and as no power is left but the military, it is allowed to govern by martial rule until the laws can have their free course. As necessity creates the rule, so it limits its duration; for, if this government is continued after the courts are reinstated, it is a gross usurpation of power. Martial rule can never exist where the courts are open, and in the proper and unobstructed exercise of their jurisdiction. It is also confined to the locality of actual war."
dware
(12,449 posts)This CT crap is getting really tiresome, this has been going on since the Clinton years.
Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)we have, what, three Divisions of the type of unit equipped for enforcing martial law in the standing military. About enough to keep a hold on the northern and western suburbs of Chicago.
Nature Man
(869 posts)there is no limit to his depravity.
Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)The Mad King may try, but ultimately the order will be ignored in most States.
Because, after all, it would have to be the National Guard and local law enforcement carrying out the order. Unless there was a true threat, I can see it being viewed as an illegal order.
In addition, we don't have the manpower. I know the movies makes it look easy. The best they could do is stop travel by setting up roadblocks in the rural areas, and that's just gonna piss off cooter's that make up the base.
brooklynite
(94,740 posts)dware
(12,449 posts)It does get tiresome.
bluestarone
(17,052 posts)As long as NO-ONE will stop him. We have to plan accordingly! Hell they mess with our primaries, so what will change? The rethugs in congress are so involved that they want THEIR seat protected as much as DIPSHIT wants the white-house! SO THEY will ALL do anything to stop from losing the election!!
bucolic_frolic
(43,306 posts)it will be a Treasury scoop to his pocket. Boy are those MAGAzis going to be surprised when they learn MAGA meant Make America Go Away!
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I got hammered by people who intimated that it was not even a remote possibility. Well, I wonder what they think now? I think a civil war begun by his crazy cult followers, or martial law done by the orange menace is more than a remote possibility.
TEB
(12,897 posts)Nature Man
(869 posts)nationwide have been fighting a cold Civil War for all this time.
bdamomma
(63,923 posts)one of many reasons he wants to stay in office I should say , he wants to keep his ass out of prison. He wants to run out the stature of limitations.
sarisataka
(18,774 posts)We laughed at those who were saying Jade Helm was a pretext to impose martial law, that such an act was not even possible for the President to do.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)a majority of people will accept curfews, restriction to freedom of movement and not care they are prohibited to congregate .
Psych will work ,but not trump just saying Im here forever , that wont fold imo
Doesnt have to be called martial law
Restriction can start slow with just with curfews
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