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applegrove

(118,659 posts)
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 01:45 AM Feb 2020

California Takes Revenge on Trump

California Takes Revenge on Trump

People leaving the Golden State are changing the political makeup of the states they move to.

By Timothy Egan, Contributing Opinion Writer, NY Times

Feb. 14, 2020

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/opinion/california-revenge-trump.html

"SNIP......

President Trump clearly hates the most populous state in the country he governs. While trashing California with his gutter mouth, the president has used his office to physically trash the home to nearly one in eight Americans — seeking to make its air more polluted, its water less clean, its forests more vulnerable to catastrophic fires.

But now the Golden State is poised to strike back. By moving its presidential primary from June to March 3, California will finally exert a political influence commensurate to its size. Almost 500 delegates, a fourth of the number needed to win the Democratic nomination, are at stake.

Perhaps more consequential — or at least overlooked — is what’s happening among the vast diaspora of more than 7.3 million people who have left California since 2007. They appear to be changing the political makeup of the states they’ve moved to, perhaps enough to alter the Electoral College map in favor of Democrats.

With nearly 40 million people, California is still gaining population — barely. But stratospheric home prices and unbearable rental costs have created a reverse “Grapes of Wrath,” forcing those who are not rich to flee to states with much lower costs of living.

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California Takes Revenge on Trump (Original Post) applegrove Feb 2020 OP
New York is doing it too....we are coming for you red states. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #1
My state is purple but everybody says it's red. 2naSalit Feb 2020 #12
Good. Deep dark blue states can lose millions of libs and still be blue Demovictory9 Feb 2020 #20
California is a victim of it's own success, causing skyrocketing home prices. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #2
Read the whole piece if you can; it's quite good & gives a lot of hope for the future Hekate Feb 2020 #13
I did. Trump refusing housing vouchers helped drive people out of CA. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #24
relocating just a few million CA dems would result in electoral college wipeout vs trump nt msongs Feb 2020 #3
A lot of them are headed to Texas... Wounded Bear Feb 2020 #4
From your lips to God's ears!! Scotch-Irish Feb 2020 #9
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump has been getting his Magats to do that dustyscamp Feb 2020 #5
I am not leaving,. yuiyoshida Feb 2020 #6
Vegas is hotter than the surface of the sun for months during the year. San Diego has the mildest Demovictory9 Feb 2020 #19
Air conditioning has opened up the south, and we are getting patricia92243 Feb 2020 #7
There are still cheap places to live in California. Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #8
Same shanti Feb 2020 #22
Yup. Not every place in California has San Francisco housing prices... Rollo Feb 2020 #26
I love this paragraph... Hekate Feb 2020 #10
Yes. Hopefull news just jumps out at me it is so rare these days. I'm glad applegrove Feb 2020 #11
Up here in the Rockies... 2naSalit Feb 2020 #14
I'm one of those Californians who left for financial reasons lunatica Feb 2020 #15
There's no reason why Silicon Valley needs to be in Silicon Valley Yavin4 Feb 2020 #16
I lived there from '61 to '91. Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #28
We love where we live in California... dhill926 Feb 2020 #17
+2 applegrove Feb 2020 #18
discussions about CA transplants on rightwing sites... they say Libs trashed their states then move Demovictory9 Feb 2020 #21
Greetings from Atlanta Sedona Feb 2020 #23
No one lives here anymore. It's too crowded. Cartoonist Feb 2020 #25
My husband and I left Rustic Canyon mnhtnbb Feb 2020 #27
MI is heading deep blue. roamer65 Feb 2020 #29

2naSalit

(86,622 posts)
12. My state is purple but everybody says it's red.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 03:10 AM
Feb 2020

And with a little help, we have a Senate seat that could be flipped this year and add yet another D to the Senate. There are four Dem challengers and nobody from the national is helping us.

So...

SunSeeker

(51,557 posts)
2. California is a victim of it's own success, causing skyrocketing home prices.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 01:55 AM
Feb 2020

It seems everyone wants to live here, particularly along the coast.
The poor, and most middle class people, can't afford the home prices nor the rent. They've been priced out by the rich who moved here and drove the prices up (supply and demand at work).

Glad there's a silver lining to losing all those people.

SunSeeker

(51,557 posts)
24. I did. Trump refusing housing vouchers helped drive people out of CA.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 04:22 AM
Feb 2020

From the article:

But Trump treats these fellow citizens as aliens. He’s going out of his way to gut the state’s clean air standards, to turn the Eden of its public lands over to industrial pillagers and to cast its immigrant strivers as criminals. He has done nothing — rebuffing the state’s plea for additional housing vouchers for the poor — to mitigate the homeless crisis. He’d prefer a dystopia on the Pacific, largely because he lost the Golden State by more than four million votes.


Hopefully these folks remember that when they go to the polls in their new states. It would be sublime karmic justice.

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
4. A lot of them are headed to Texas...
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 02:06 AM
Feb 2020

if we turn Texas blue, the Repubs wouldn't win the White House for a generation.

dustyscamp

(2,224 posts)
5. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump has been getting his Magats to do that
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 02:11 AM
Feb 2020

Take a bunch of magats from a red state and have them relocate to a battleground state

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
6. I am not leaving,.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 02:41 AM
Feb 2020

unless forced to. I love this state...I love my city. I suppose if I had no choice I would probably live in San Diego..as a second place to settle. Third choice is Las Vegas. at least my Raiders would be there!

Demovictory9

(32,456 posts)
19. Vegas is hotter than the surface of the sun for months during the year. San Diego has the mildest
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 03:58 AM
Feb 2020

weather on the planet.

patricia92243

(12,595 posts)
7. Air conditioning has opened up the south, and we are getting
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 02:42 AM
Feb 2020

more people here in Florida. NC where I am from is also getting more. More people means more diversity.

Mr.Bill

(24,292 posts)
8. There are still cheap places to live in California.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 02:47 AM
Feb 2020

Just not along the coast or in the major population centers. I'm in a northern inland county and we can afford retirement on a modest budget here. No need to leave the state.

My motto is California is not a place. It is many places.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
22. Same
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 04:11 AM
Feb 2020

I'm in NorCal too, and retired, but my lifestyle would be untenable in SoCal. If I couldn't live here, my choice would be the PNW.

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
26. Yup. Not every place in California has San Francisco housing prices...
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 04:41 AM
Feb 2020

Although the best move I made in the 90's was to buy a house, and the despite reduced income from the Bush economy and a career change, I was able to pay it off two years ago. Still, I'm noticing a lot of the other necessities of life: food, gas, power, entertainment, etc... are higher in this area (East Bay) than in much of the rest of the nation.

Don't want to leave, though.

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
10. I love this paragraph...
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 03:08 AM
Feb 2020

The question is: Are they bringing California values — fierce defense of the environment, tolerance of immigrants and a multiracial society, insistence on universal health care — with them? It could be just demographic churn. But if you look at the changing politics of Nevada, Colorado and Arizona, all fast-growing states packed with new arrivals from California, the answer is yes. Texas may not be far behind.

2naSalit

(86,622 posts)
14. Up here in the Rockies...
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 03:14 AM
Feb 2020

Many of our transplants from CA are repguniclans. The good thing is, many don't actually vote here, but they don't pay property taxes either for some reason.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
15. I'm one of those Californians who left for financial reasons
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 03:20 AM
Feb 2020

I’m glad to be part of Trump’s and the Republicans next nightmare.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
16. There's no reason why Silicon Valley needs to be in Silicon Valley
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 03:23 AM
Feb 2020

You can build a Silicon Valley any where. Same is true for Hollywood.

Mr.Bill

(24,292 posts)
28. I lived there from '61 to '91.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:58 PM
Feb 2020

It's actually a shame they did build it there. Some of the finest farm and orchard land in the world and they paved it and built business parks everywhere.

dhill926

(16,339 posts)
17. We love where we live in California...
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 03:53 AM
Feb 2020

but we love Key West more. 2 strong dem votes in Florida this fall.

Demovictory9

(32,456 posts)
21. discussions about CA transplants on rightwing sites... they say Libs trashed their states then move
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 04:01 AM
Feb 2020

to rightwing states. That's not it. We don't consider California to be trashed. its the home prices mostly, sometimes the traffic in LA... both signs of the desire to live in LA.

Sedona

(3,769 posts)
23. Greetings from Atlanta
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 04:20 AM
Feb 2020

Also known as Yallywood.



Me and Mr Sedona hail from Culver City and the South Bay.

We both still have our 310 cell#'s

He's a 25 year union grip dept rigging pro (IATSE 80 & 425)

I'm a Realtor who easily made the transition.

My mortgage payment on a 2000 sq ft house on 1/2 an acre in dark blue (my congress critter is Lucy Mcbath) Dekalb County is the same as the rent on my shitty 630 sq ft apt off Venice Blvd.

If your looking to make the move to the ATL give me a shout. I specialize in relocations and have great refernces from film biz pros and military.

Lets turn the rest of Geogia blue!

mnhtnbb

(31,389 posts)
27. My husband and I left Rustic Canyon
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:20 AM
Feb 2020

between Santa Monica and Pacific Palisades in 1988. Never looked back. He was a native Californian, born in Palo Alto, and I'm a native New Yorker who moved with my Republican parents to California in 1965 when my dad retired.

We first moved to Missouri when we left CA in 1988; then to Nebraska in 1994; we ended up in North Carolina (Chapel Hill) in 2000. My husband died in 2018--killing himself--while we were in the process of divorcing. I could move just about anywhere. I have chosen to stay in NC (although I did move from very blue Chapel Hill to slightly less blue Raleigh) and would never think of going back to California.

If I move again, it might be to a lakeview in the mountains of NC, or to Hawaii, or out of the country entirely. That decision will be made pending the outcome of the election in November.

At this point, I'd rather stay right where I am. I will be early voting this week in the NC primary because I will be out of town on Super Tuesday.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
29. MI is heading deep blue.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:04 PM
Feb 2020

2018 was the first evidence of it.

Dems won all major state offices and cut the Repuke majorities in the state legislature.

We passed the proposals for an independent redistricting commission and legalized recreational pot.

MI and CO are heading in the same directions....blue.

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