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Thank you Jeff Bezos. Pledges $10 billion with b (Original Post) Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 OP
He is creating his own fund marlakay Feb 2020 #1
Oh come on now. What do you think he'll do? Buy Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #10
That's not a bad idea. maxsolomon Feb 2020 #30
To battle climate change, we need to get that fucker out of the White House and his GOP enablers. TheBlackAdder Feb 2020 #21
While he is building more package shipping centers, guillaumeb Feb 2020 #2
Under paying @ $15 / hour minimum? What other live love laugh Feb 2020 #4
Bezos, like his 1% group, is severly undertaxed. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #9
You switched the subject. Your claim was that he underpaid his workers. Blue_true Feb 2020 #15
That his warehouise workers are underpaid is well established. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #20
$15/HR is not underpaid for unskilled labor. Blue_true Feb 2020 #22
If the minimum wage had been indexed for inflation, guillaumeb Feb 2020 #24
But the reality is the minimum wage IS NOT!!! $21/HR, and Bezos is Blue_true Feb 2020 #25
Hmmm... qwlauren35 Feb 2020 #35
Many Amazon products are made in China. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #38
Very cool! Now pay your taxes Jeff, Greybnk48 Feb 2020 #3
Bezos is not paying taxes? live love laugh Feb 2020 #5
Not according to what I've seen. Greybnk48 Feb 2020 #18
Your link doesn't mention Bezos 🤷‍♀️ live love laugh Feb 2020 #19
I did not provide a link. eom guillaumeb Feb 2020 #26
He probably pays a little Bradical79 Feb 2020 #31
So you claim he is lying to the IRS? nt USALiberal Feb 2020 #7
This will go over well with that certain crowd. MyNameGoesHere Feb 2020 #6
+1000! I am waiting for it also! nt USALiberal Feb 2020 #8
It's not "horrible", just meaningless (and very late) Bradical79 Feb 2020 #29
Yeah I don't have a 10 billion dollar squirt gun MyNameGoesHere Feb 2020 #32
Oh JHC people so jaded. I say shut up until you Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #11
💯 live love laugh Feb 2020 #33
Bezos is a billionaire Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2020 #12
Yup. Not sure why being super wealthy automatically makes Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #13
Bloomberg put in the shortfall Sogo Feb 2020 #14
He has paid that three years in a row, so he has paid in $13.5 million. Blue_true Feb 2020 #16
Thanks for the correction.....nt Sogo Feb 2020 #17
It's a start... Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #23
Please Let Me Rob You, I'm Woke, podcast with Michael Moore and Anand Giridharadas Beringia Feb 2020 #27
Synopsis please. qwlauren35 Feb 2020 #34
Good - 10 B down, 590 B to go lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #28
Good post! I saw an ad that said if we reduced the Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #36
"Yeah, I guess it's about time I looked into saving that planet I live on." Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #37

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. While he is building more package shipping centers,
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:34 PM
Feb 2020

and using more planes and trucks to deliver the packages.

And underpaying his warehouse workers.

Thank you, billionaire wonder citizen Bezos.

live love laugh

(13,114 posts)
4. Under paying @ $15 / hour minimum? What other
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:17 PM
Feb 2020

similar companies pay that as a minimum? MacDonalds has been denying the $15 wage for more than five years.

At least Bezos is doing something. He could have easily hoarded his wealth like greedy Republicans.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
9. Bezos, like his 1% group, is severly undertaxed.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:25 PM
Feb 2020

And there are many stories about Amazon workers qualifying for state benefits, which means that Bezos is externalizing his costs on to the taxpayers.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
15. You switched the subject. Your claim was that he underpaid his workers.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:37 AM
Feb 2020

That was refuted. Why don't you answer the counter to your claim about wages? If workers in some states are on state aid, how are ones making less than $15/HR doing?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
20. That his warehouise workers are underpaid is well established.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:07 PM
Feb 2020

And his externalizing of what should be his costs onto you and me and every other taxpayers should be your concern.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
22. $15/HR is not underpaid for unskilled labor.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:30 PM
Feb 2020

Your "facts" are messed up. Even in most large cities, unskilled labor starts at maybe $11/HR tops.

If we are going to deal with income inequality, we need to start with facts instead of just throwing shit around.

You still didn't answer the other posters question.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
24. If the minimum wage had been indexed for inflation,
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:42 PM
Feb 2020

it would be approximately $21 per hour.

Income inequality does not magically happen, it is part of a political philosophy that often underpays certain type of work and overpays others.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
25. But the reality is the minimum wage IS NOT!!! $21/HR, and Bezos is
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:51 PM
Feb 2020

paying his unskilled warehouse workers at least $15/HR, which I am certain beats starting wages for unskilled workers living around them.

Let's stay focused on reality, that is the only way that we get to a better state of being.

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
35. Hmmm...
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 12:57 AM
Feb 2020

So it sounds like he could do two things.

1.) Convert his fleet to electric.
2.) Set up enough package centers so that flying is minimized.

I think I may see if it could be considered.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
38. Many Amazon products are made in China.
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 02:20 PM
Feb 2020

And yes, steps can be taken to minimize the carbon footprint, and they should be taken.

What remains is that Bezos is literally making a brave new world for all of us to live in.

A world where millions qualify for various types of State and Federal aid, while the 1% exercise more power over all of us.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
31. He probably pays a little
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:12 PM
Feb 2020

His income (salary) is technically around $80K/year. A lot of his wealth is tens of billions of Amazon shares. How everything works out tax wise, I have no idea. We don't get to look at his tax returns either, so we can only really look at the buisiness that increased his net worth by around $40 to $50 billion in a year. Amazon pays no federal income tax, and actually got a $137,000,000 refund in 2017.

And while part of that $10 Billion will go towards fighting homelessness, this is following his company fighting against a Seatle tax meant to combat homelessness. What Amazon, Bezos, and other Billionaire empires do is cause a lot of damage, horde wealth, then throw some breadcrumbs (relative to what they've done and gained) to look like philanthropists.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
6. This will go over well with that certain crowd.
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:32 PM
Feb 2020

They'll have to think fast why this is so horrible. Damn they figured it out as I was posting. They're quick!

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
29. It's not "horrible", just meaningless (and very late)
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:45 PM
Feb 2020

$10,000,000,000 is practically nothing compared to the scale of the problem caused by him and people like him. It's better than zero, but it's less than his net worth increased in a quarter, and is like trying to put out the San Francisco fire with a squirt gun.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
13. Yup. Not sure why being super wealthy automatically makes
Mon Feb 17, 2020, 11:45 PM
Feb 2020

Someone the devil around here. Bloomberg was a successful trader ($10m severance successful) and had the foresight to see a technology need. A huge one. I actually find that quite admirable.

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
14. Bloomberg put in the shortfall
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:13 AM
Feb 2020

between what the US pledged and what we actually paid per our agreement in the Paris Climate Accord.

It was something like $4.5M.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
16. He has paid that three years in a row, so he has paid in $13.5 million.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:42 AM
Feb 2020

And he gave $500 million to a organization that will try to reduce some emissions to net zero by around 2030.

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
27. Please Let Me Rob You, I'm Woke, podcast with Michael Moore and Anand Giridharadas
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:55 PM
Feb 2020


We The People should be fighting climate change, via the president and congress

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/michael-moore-4/rumble-with-michael-moore/e/66238503

Anand Giridharadas is an American writer. He is a former columnist for The New York Times. He is the author of three books, India Calling: An Intimate Portrait of a Nation's Remaking, The True American: Murder and Mercy in Texas, and Winners Take All: The Elite Charade of Changing the World.

While the majority of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck and one emergency away from financial peril, a new study shows that the 500 richest people in the world gained a combined $1.2 trillion in wealth in 2019. In the U.S., the richest 0.1% now control a bigger share of the pie than at any time since the beginning of the Great Depression.

But what happens when the very people hoarding this wealth at the expense of democracy, the environment and an equitable society, re-brand themselves as the people who will fix society's problems? What happens when the arsonists pose as the firefighters?

Anand Giridharadas has been studying these questions and he joins Michael Moore to name names and discuss what to do about it.

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
34. Synopsis please.
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 12:54 AM
Feb 2020

I don't have 110 minutes to listen to Michael Moore. Could you summarize his key points, please?

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
28. Good - 10 B down, 590 B to go
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:14 PM
Feb 2020

My conservative estimate on the cost of "fixing" climate change.

Program 1 - renewable energy for the industrialized world... not including the cost of electric vehicles... but we could spend 10 B a year for 10 years putting rooftop solar on every roof we can in the US, up to $30K per home. And that is just the revolving fund, people would still buy the electricity produced replenishing the fund for the future and the developing world.

Program 2 - in the entire world we hire millions of people to plant fast growing trees, then cut them down and either bury them (or anaerobically char them and bury the char) or use them for construction material, packaging material, etc Another $200B to start, more in 10 or 20 years. Some cost recovered from selling wood products or making fertilizer, etc.

Program 3 - Another $200B for a space umbrella... powered by the solar wind to maintain a position between us that the sun, it would attempt to reduce the radiation hitting the earth by as much as 5%... adjustable. This would attempt to cool the planet in the same way a large volcano eruption has in the past, without radically cooling the planet (see the year without summer after Krakatoa erupted) or putting so much particulate material into the atmosphere. This would take 20 years to design, launch, construct in earth orbit and then move to the correct position in orbit around the sun. It would have to use the solar wind to actually provide power to stay in the orbit we decide for it and should be adjustable.

Program 1 weens us off fossil fuels (for the most part... some transportation is likely to continue using fossil fuels). Program 2 start us reducing carbon in the atmosphere, reversing 100 years or more of deforestation. Program 3 provides with a controllable climate, not weather control, but reduces global heating... at least until we bring the carbon in the atmosphere back to pre-industrial levels.

Will it all work... I don't know. I just know we should be thinking like this. BIG... really BIG. And immediate.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
36. Good post! I saw an ad that said if we reduced the
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:02 AM
Feb 2020

military budget by just 3%, we could end poverty.

Perhaps I have missed it but I have never heard anyone say..
Let's reengineer our military starting at ground zero and determine what a country of our size and responsibilities needs in this modern era. It's like the subject is sacrosanct. People only hear "cut" and it's the end of the world. Last I looked we had over a million soldiers! Why?

My point is.. how much do we really need to protect the country and our allies? And use surplus for more than worthwhile initiatives like you lay out?

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
37. "Yeah, I guess it's about time I looked into saving that planet I live on."
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 10:04 AM
Feb 2020

I can appreciate the help, but people who come late to the party don't get kudos.

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