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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:18 PM Feb 2020

BREAKING: Judge Jackson plans to sentence Roger Stone as planned Thursday



Megan Mineiro @MMineiro_CNS

Stone's attorney Robert Buschell tells Jackson that the request for new trial goes to the heart of the case, but she wants to know why they did not request a delay when they filed the motion.


Megan Mineiro @MMineiro_CNS

BREAKING: Judge Jackson plans to sentence Roger Stone as planned Thursday.

“I think that delaying this sentence would not be a prudent thing to do under all the circumstances."

11:11 AM - Feb 18, 2020




Glenn Kirschner ✔@glennkirschner2

Today’s phone conference in the Stone case was short/uneventful. The judge didn’t take up the flip-flopping sentence recommendations by the prosecution. Instead, it was more about the pending (frivolous, IMO) new trial motion. Sentencing still set for Thursday. More to follow ...

11:22 AM - Feb 18, 2020




Glenn Kirschner ✔@glennkirschner2

Some intersting Roger Stone stuff. The defense filed yet another motion for a new trial claiming a juror was biased & shouldn’t have been allowed to serve on the jury. Despite what Dershowitz & Judge Napolitano say, I predict Judge Jackson will deny the motion. Of course, Trump

has already impertinently/inappropriately tweeted that the New Trial Motion should be granted. Of course even the newly assigned prosecutors are opposing the New Trial Motion. Let’s see if Barr makes them change THAT the way he made them change the sentencing ask (more to come).


11:43 AM - Feb 18, 2020


Shimon Prokupecz ✔@ShimonPro

Judge Amy Berman Jackson, during a conference with Roger Stone's defense team and the Justice Department, ultimately wanted to check in with attorneys to see whether they were prepared to move forward with Thursday’s sentencing for Stone.

"I don’t intend to discuss the merits of the motion or the sentencing at this time," Jackson says, starting off.

John Crabb says the DOJ is OK with going forward with sentencing Thursday. Stone’s attorney asked Jackson to decide on motion Stone’s team filed last week, requesting a new trial, before sentencing.


11:13 AM - Feb 18, 2020





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BREAKING: Judge Jackson plans to sentence Roger Stone as planned Thursday (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 OP
So how many times is it now? leftieNanner Feb 2020 #1
LOL! n/t EndlessWire Feb 2020 #31
Does this mean she will be going by the original sentencing guidelines (7-9 years)? triron Feb 2020 #2
Don't think she said anything about the sentencing, other than she wasn't going to discuss it today Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #3
I want the max. CaptYossarian Feb 2020 #4
I want it, too, but I think IQ45 would pardon if Stone gets the max ... mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #6
Drumpf will pardon him no matter how long. joost5 Feb 2020 #11
I think this is just speculation. triron Feb 2020 #12
Hence my using verbiage that conveys speculation repeatedly ;) nt mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #17
Well, if we're gonna speculate... hangaleft Feb 2020 #30
Lock him malaise Feb 2020 #5
Only if you can prevent trump from instantly pardoning him Kablooie Feb 2020 #28
Last week it was suggested 2naSalit Feb 2020 #7
Pete Williams on MSNBC just said that any sentence would be held Qutzupalotl Feb 2020 #14
I hope that juror didn't blog about stone before the trial Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #8
That's why they want a new trial. 2naSalit Feb 2020 #9
Updated info re: the juror added to the OP Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #10
Let justice prevail. The longer the sentence the more shame when Trump pardons him. bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #13
Stone's basis for a new trial is an allegedly biased juror? gratuitous Feb 2020 #15
His attorneys failed him if they didn't eliminate him at the outset Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2020 #18
Katie Phang unpacked this - details: Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #16
The orange menace will pardon him the next day. redstatebluegirl Feb 2020 #19
He's working up to it - I think the Blago and DeBartolo pardons were warm up Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #21
Should that happen then Stone should be publicly reminded that, per the Supreme Court, acceptance avebury Feb 2020 #23
Question matt819 Feb 2020 #20
So why bother with a trial for Pinhead Stone? Grammy23 Feb 2020 #22
We should have a pool for guessing the length of his sentencing. Ligyron Feb 2020 #24
Also Breaking... McTwisty Feb 2020 #25
everybody thought Manafort was going to be immediately pardoned as well NewJeffCT Feb 2020 #26
Too much in the weeds here. She will sentence Stone. tRUMP will say unfair SayItLoud Feb 2020 #27
Waiting for trumps threats and lying claims duforsure Feb 2020 #29

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
3. Don't think she said anything about the sentencing, other than she wasn't going to discuss it today
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:30 PM
Feb 2020

...so that might mean she's going with the original submitted guidelines?

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
6. I want it, too, but I think IQ45 would pardon if Stone gets the max ...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:38 PM
Feb 2020

I suspect judge knows this and is likely to decide 'better to get him jail for at least SOME time' ...

My guess is it'll be like a year.

Kablooie

(18,637 posts)
28. Only if you can prevent trump from instantly pardoning him
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:40 PM
Feb 2020

Trump’s protest is probably a setup for a pardon.

2naSalit

(86,748 posts)
7. Last week it was suggested
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:50 PM
Feb 2020

by former DoJ personnel that she should take him into custody at sentencing and have him incarcerated right then and there after she tells him he gets the max. There will be a major stink bomb lobbed if the imbecile tries to pardon him.

Qutzupalotl

(14,321 posts)
14. Pete Williams on MSNBC just said that any sentence would be held
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 01:15 PM
Feb 2020

pending a ruling on the request for a new trial. In other words, if she gives him X number of years, she will suspend any incarceration until she decides whether the request for a new trial can proceed.

The good news is the request for a new trial appears frivolous.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
8. I hope that juror didn't blog about stone before the trial
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:50 PM
Feb 2020

Would that be grounds for a new trial?

If she only blogged about trump I wouldn’t think that would do it unless she lied when questioned to be on the jury.

I think a new trial would likely end up in acquittal because I don’t trust the DOJ to honestly reprosecute

2naSalit

(86,748 posts)
9. That's why they want a new trial.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:51 PM
Feb 2020

I think the claims are bs just like all the rest of their weak arguments.

bucolic_frolic

(43,252 posts)
13. Let justice prevail. The longer the sentence the more shame when Trump pardons him.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 01:15 PM
Feb 2020

They made their bed. Let them wallow in it.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
15. Stone's basis for a new trial is an allegedly biased juror?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 01:18 PM
Feb 2020

Then why did Stone allow the juror to be seated in the first place? "Because we just thought of it" isn't a very persuasive argument from what I've seen.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,426 posts)
18. His attorneys failed him if they didn't eliminate him at the outset
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 01:37 PM
Feb 2020

As I understand it, though, the vote to convict on all charges wasn't even close. But the whole thing is frivolous anyway. Everybody has political beliefs and if we start dissecting in fine details everybody's political beliefs, then virtually nobody would be allowed to serve as jurors if they have the slightest whiff of political beliefs that may run counter to the defendant's political views.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
16. Katie Phang unpacked this - details:
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 01:30 PM
Feb 2020


Katie Phang ✔ @KatiePhang

➡️Lots to unpack here:

1. #RogerStone Sentencing still on for Thursday, February 20, 2020, at 10:00 a.m.
2. Stone's Motion to File his Amended Motion for New Trial (based on alleged Juror Misconduct) has been granted & is filed under seal.


Mike Scarcella ✔@MikeScarcella

Roger Stone sentencing still remains set for Thursday, per order from US District Judge Amy Berman Jackson in Washington:



Katie Phang ✔@KatiePhang

3. Government's Opposition to Stone's Amended Motion for New Trial is also filed under seal.
4. Stone remains out on Personal ROR bond.
5. Government attorneys are now: John Crabb, Jr. and J.P. Cooney.


12:24 PM - Feb 18, 2020

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
21. He's working up to it - I think the Blago and DeBartolo pardons were warm up
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:14 PM
Feb 2020

Frankly, I expect the Stone pardon any time now.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
23. Should that happen then Stone should be publicly reminded that, per the Supreme Court, acceptance
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:21 PM
Feb 2020

of a Presidential pardon is deemed an admission of guilt.

Then it should be:
Trump needed Russian help to get to the WH and Republican help to stay there.
Stone needed a Presidential pardon to avoid prison.

They can think whatever they want to think but Trump remains impeached for life and Stone will be deemed guilty for the rest of his life.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
20. Question
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:11 PM
Feb 2020

What conclusions might the public draw if the sentence given is lower than the initial sentence recommendation?

And what happens (heads up - nothing) when the dictator in chief pardons this piece of slime?

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
22. So why bother with a trial for Pinhead Stone?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:20 PM
Feb 2020


If tRumP gets to negate the jury’s decision and the judge’s sentence why have we wasted money and time with a trial. It makes no sense to me. Are there no rules about the pardon? Like the circumstances of the crime or other factors that make a pardon fair. Maybe the person suffers from a terminal illness (that can be independently verified.) Or they have an advanced dementia, also proven by unbiased physicians. But just because tRump is your bud and wants you to keep silent about some things?? I don’t think so. We definitely need to rethink the power to pardon by the President. tRump ruins everything he touches. He is rotten to the core.

Ligyron

(7,639 posts)
24. We should have a pool for guessing the length of his sentencing.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:21 PM
Feb 2020

I'm going with 7 years, the low end of original recommendation as that will look like she was being fair and what's 2 years if he gets pardoned anyway.

Can the state file charges if he does? I have no idea how that works.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
26. everybody thought Manafort was going to be immediately pardoned as well
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:39 PM
Feb 2020

and he's still sitting in jail

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
27. Too much in the weeds here. She will sentence Stone. tRUMP will say unfair
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:40 PM
Feb 2020

and immediately pardon him. tRUMP's laying the ground work since the foreperson statement came out.
None of his gop enablers will care, the cult45 ers will not care and one more chip, a big one, against the rule of law will be covered by the media. Just sayin..

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
29. Waiting for trumps threats and lying claims
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:49 PM
Feb 2020

He'll soon use, again trying to intimidate and scare her with. Stone is no better and deserves the maximum sentence. Trump and Barr are now openly trying to fix the sentencing for him calling his 7 felonies all an injustice jurors determined he was guilty of. trump is now promoting trump justice going after all who oppose him, while backers get off with little or no consequences. More people close to trump will be getting indicted, and face consequences for many crimes, including him.

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