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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 02:24 AM Feb 2020

Vox interview: why liberals are bad at politics

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2020/2/18/21112012/liberals-conservatives-american-politics-eitan-hersh


For me, politics is about working with other people to influence the government. And you can influence the government by convincing people who they should vote for, or by interacting with politicians and lobbying them; in either case, you are getting these other people, whether they’re politicians or citizens, to take some action they wouldn’t otherwise take.

The reality is that the people who spend the most time consuming news and arguing online are disproportionately college-educated white people, and right now that demographic is predominantly Democratic. This isn’t to say that this sort of behavior doesn’t happen on both sides, but it’s mostly on the left.

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When you’re a hobbyist, you’re learning the wrong information and practicing the wrong skills. You are typically learning about big national news items, and oftentimes it’s just drama. So a hobbyist might learn all the details of the Mueller report and feel that’s important to know and will spend hours and hours on it.

But then if you asked him how he could get involved on some issues of importance in his local community or in his state, or where the pressure points are in his community to influence government, he has no idea. He’s just caught up in the national news cycle and he’s not actually improving anything.
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Vox interview: why liberals are bad at politics (Original Post) Recursion Feb 2020 OP
Is this analysis serious, or is the author on drugs? Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #1
Absolutely serious and dead-on accurate (nt) Recursion Feb 2020 #2
So you believe in the premise Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #3
Next time I'm stuck in a patients room with Fox News blasting ismnotwasm Feb 2020 #4
Yeah, Corgigal Feb 2020 #5

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
3. So you believe in the premise
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 01:07 PM
Feb 2020

that liberals don't know what's going on in the local community because we have the nerve to follow national/world news? Perhaps he'd like to explain how we flipped Virginia blue, then? Can't wait to hear that shit.

He might have some good points, but this author is taking some Grand Canyon-sized leaps in his reasoning.

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
4. Next time I'm stuck in a patients room with Fox News blasting
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 01:22 PM
Feb 2020

Making me die a little inside I’ll remember how some people think “liberals” are doing politics wrong.

No one is spending more time learning facts and consuming news than college-educated white men. But research on real engagement — volunteering for groups and campaigns — shows it’s overwhelmingly women and disproportionately blacks and Latinos who are doing the real work of politics. Comfort with the status quo among college-educated whites, especially men, seems like the most likely explanation.

As to why this is more of a liberal problem than a conservative one, right now the white college-educated population is much more Democratic than Republican. Of course, there’s plenty of hobbyism on both sides, but right now this group tends to lean Democratic


This article is an interview about a book someone is trying to sell. While I don’t actually discount the premise, there’s a couple of things worth noting. One, is, it’s a changing world on how we communicate because of on-line activism. Two, I don’t think this behavior is limited to liberals.

I regularly see posts lamenting the Influences of Facebook or Twitter, here, but both social media platform enjoy widespread use for political peddling.

I don’t know why it’s so hard to admit that there are millions of people who people LIKE Trump, enjoy what he’s doing. Want him to do more of it. This is not the fault of liberals who may or may not be arm chair warriors

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
5. Yeah,
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 01:50 PM
Feb 2020

I heard this guy on some recent podcast. It’s his theory, and I listened a bit. He correct about being nice to each other, the rest blah.

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