I heard the stores are out of Sanitizers.

Remember sugar, coffee,etc?

but hand sanitizer has risen to tbe level of a panacea, causing hoarding and price gouging. Use of it should be restricted to those situations where soap and water is unattainable.

and my state say 20 seconds, not 10.

You spend maybe $10 total and get 2 times the protection. Wipe your hands with the alcohol, let your hands air dry, put lotion on them. 70% alcohol won't defat your skin, 90% alcohol may (so don't buy that).

mix mix mix, shake shake shake 75/25 ratio of alcohol and gel. Job done. Me personally I use the hand sanitizer before I use the CDC/WHO hand washing technique. Remember to not cross contaminate and get those fingernails...
To me the proof if this hand washing and self quarantine is working if we see the FLU rate droping also. Then we will know if it works or not... More proof the better...
YMMV
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But rubbing alcohol does have water and other ingredients in it and you need 60% alcohol in your mixture. So adjust your mixture accordingly.

It will disinfect and if you survive the plague hopefully you got drunk enough to forget how sick you were.

I read about this earlier - and realized I have no idea where to buy it.

Sunscreen area makes sense. Will be easier to find (I have the rubbing alcohol and like the home created aspect.) Thank again!

Just buy 70% alcohol, a pack of disposable dry cloth or paper wipes, and a good common hand lotion. Wipe your hands with an alcohol moistened wipe, let them air dry a few seconds, then put lotion on your hands.

People are really stupid to pay over a hundred dollars for what they can do better with spending maybe $10.

70% alcohol should be more than adequate. A person will need a packet of dry wipes. I would simply use any good hand lotion after the alcohol dries (about 25-35 seconds).

Prices are going though the roof. And if the prices seemed low for one particular item the shipping cost like 200 dollars. Also if everything else seemed Ok, the shipping time was like two to three months.

I got scammed by ordering N95 carbon-filtered, valved masks, instead receiving plain, thin, unfiltered cotton ones. Credit card dispute is in the works.

since man first strong upright. It has always been the means by which we could measure decency.

The Buddhists say there is basic goodness in everyone. There are days when it is a struggle to see how that can remotely be true.

It is sold out everywhere.

I don't live in a small town either.

Just nuts.

Say that three times fast.

So far, over 3000 dead due to this virus.

Fail.

I wash my hands frequently and have been wearing a mask at the clinic before we ever heard of coronavirus.

At the clinic, I don't touch their magazines or elevator buttons. The doors open automatically and people open the interior doors all the time.

I'm not worried.

grow up

people think of Y2K as the archetypal non-event, when in fact a lot of people (including me) busted ass for months to make it seem that way
i regard it as a credit to our efforts that Y2K passed quietly and is now widely regarded as techies "crying wolf" or some such.

the COVID-19 outbreak strikes me as far different because the time for effective containment ended prior to discovery of the problem. it's like if Y2K occurred but no one bothered to prepare at all. we are in the middle of a truly amazing clusterfuck, make no mistake.

Suddenly, he thinks he's conservative ($-wise, anyway). Anything for the people gets slashed, while his golf outings and his tumbling wall bankrupt us.

I don't envy the next mop-up Dem president. To clean up 4 years off insane tyranny will take a miracle.

You could charge $200/hour in some disciplines and work 60 hour weeks....

It was a beddy beddy good time....

But nobody was dying. And nobody will be laughing when tp is $5/roll.

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The same applies to hand sanitation, bleach-based products are far more effective than hand sanitizer.

Most hand sanitizers must remain wet for 5 minutes to be partially effective.

Most people who use it, let it dry in seconds.

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I checked it out. 1tbs. to 1 gallon.

And it's especially good to use wiping down surfaces to sanitize.

I'm picking up an empty jug today. It's cheaper by far than commercial products
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Thanks.

For c diff you need a specific concentration so you need disinfecting bleach which is available in some supermarkets and online.

I actually prefer alcohol.

I am reading some of the replies with my mouth agape. Maybe me working with chemicals allow me to see what some clearly don't see.

Anyone that spends more than $20 to protect themselves is making a big mistake.

I would likely go up a little on your bleach concentration and use distilled water instead of tap water. But, a bleach solution at an adequate concentration should be effective, it just stinks and the stink lingers. I would use rubbing alcohol instead.

rubbing alcohol.

90% will cause some defatting, but that can be resolved by following with a good hand lotion.

I am against telling people to mix chemicals (and everything is a chemical), because unless a person has done that regularly, a person can mix the wrong stuff and harm themselves.

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What about the study finding more norovirus outbreaks with use of hand sanitizers?

"This study does not change my routine recommendation that people should use a hand sanitizer," Glatt says. He sees them as especially useful when water is not available.

In the study, published in the American Journal of Infection Control, CDC researchers looked at the use of hand sanitizers by the staff in 91 long-term care facilities. In those where the staff were equally or more likely to use the hand sanitizers over soap and water for routine hand hygiene, the chance of an outbreak was nearly six times greater.

"It's one study,” says Glatt.

More research is needed, he and other experts say.

So, is hand washing better than hand sanitizers to prevent infection spread?

Both are important, say Glatt and Brian Sansoni, spokesman for the American Cleaning Institute.

"Soap and water are number one," says Sansoni. "Hand sanitizers are a very effective additional tool."

The sanitizers are meant to supplement, not replace, good old-fashioned soap and water washing, Sansoni says.

The CDC agrees. It says that for norovirus, washing hands is your best prevention, especially after using the bathroom, changing a diaper, and before eating and doing food prep. Sanitizers may help, but “they are not a substitute for washing with soap and water.”

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20130208/hand-sanitizers-germs#1

that is where the discussion about hand sanitizers started.

Personally, if I was out and about where I could not wash my hands, like I stated, I would use rubbing alcohol followed by hand lotion, making sure that I got under my nails when wiping with the alcohol wipe.

Rubbing alcohol is generally around 70-73%. If people want a more powerful alcohol, they can use the 90-91% stuff or EverClear (100% alcohol). If they are concerned oil removal from the skin (defatting) they can make a bottle of half rubbing alcohol and half the more powerful stuff. Regardless, they should follow with a common hand lotion, ones that have cinnamon or lavender oil in them would be excellent.

But if people can, they should wash their hands, using a good anti-bacteria soap, like experts recommend they do when they can.

Any cGMP facility uses it for nearly instantaneous sterility.
That is 70% isopropanol which every knows as rubbing alcohol.
They do not use 90%.

the contact time. Rubbing alcohol takes around 25-35 seconds to dissipate. If it kills 99% of stuff on contact, the remaining 20 seconds or so is overkill.

A few reasons.
The 30% water raises the vapor pressure of a thin film of liquid making it stay there longer as evaporation slows.
More importantly, that much water raises the surface tension of the mixture exponentially. So, when that is swabbed or wiped, more actually sticks to the surface. Microscopic layer, but then we're talking microbes.
Third, in the presence of liquid that isn't water, the microbes slows activity. So, the denaturing effect of the alcohol slows.
By having that much water, the microbes' respiration does not slow, making the "poisoning" more efficient.
Now, the 3rd one admittedly is less relevant with viruses than bacteria, but the micro folks are always concerned with both, plus mold and fungi.
In actuality, compounds with labile chlorine are more effective because the mechanism is more damaging to the tiny world.
The active ingredient in things like Clorox or Lysol wipes are exactly that, and that is what I'd use.
My advantage is that I have 2 quart jars of the active ingredient at 40% in water/isopropanol in my garage.
That'll last us 10 years.

I've posted that elsewhere too, that WebMD states a 400% higher infection transmission using hand sanitizer over soap and water.

From https://blog.gotopac.com/2017/05/15/why-is-70-isopropyl-alcohol-ipa-a-better-disinfectant-than-99-isopropanol-and-what-is-ipa-used-for/

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Purell Hand Sanitizer (ethyl alcohol), Purell Food surface Sanitizer (ethyl alcohol) and an institutional sanitizer (ammonia) which is listed specifically to be effective against Coronavirus (ATCC VR-740, Strain 229E). My take is that dilute bleach or ammonia are the probably most effective and the most practical. The crucial part is to thoroughly wet the area and to leave the solution on for ten minutes if possible.

Everyone knows not to mix bleach and ammonia...

Also, NEVER mix bleach and hydrogen peroxide.

I like it. You can even use it on babies, If I remember right.

store. $1.25.

They just recently got smacked by the FDA for making claims science does not support.

of the metric system, some might think that's a good deal.

535 milliliters? Hell, what is that, like a drum?

you don't need that!

Who's your hand sanitizer guy?

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