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Have Any Covid-19 Numbers Been Coming Out Of Russia?.... (Original Post) global1 Mar 2020 OP
Russia is claiming 17, but I don't believe them The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #1
Is it Russia claiming, or is WHO or media reporting? matt819 Mar 2020 #7
Where does WHO get its numbers? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #8
Russia Confirms Four New Coronavirus Cases dalton99a Mar 2020 #2
Hmmm... Newest Reality Mar 2020 #3
Turkey has not reported any MrsMatt Mar 2020 #4
Also Syria has not reported any cases bronxiteforever Mar 2020 #5
I have not seen any from North Korea either. 33taw Mar 2020 #6
One report last week from a S. Korean source said they suspected a case defacto7 Mar 2020 #11
Here... defacto7 Mar 2020 #13
None reported from Alaska Beringia Mar 2020 #9
Information in general varies a bit but in most cases defacto7 Mar 2020 #10
There are only so many routes for the virus. Igel Mar 2020 #12

matt819

(10,749 posts)
7. Is it Russia claiming, or is WHO or media reporting?
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 01:53 PM
Mar 2020

This is a big problem. Whether it's worldometers or the Johns Hopkins data or, for that matter, data from WHO, the issue is the same and goes back to the origin of computing - garbage in/garbage out. I'm not saying the data is garbage. It is what's available, or what's being made available to the public. I guess much of it is from media reporting, and that's okay as far as it goes. But if it's from government agencies, that's a whole other animal. Look at us here in the US. We don't trust a word coming from the federal government, doesn't matter who's talking - trump, pence, azar. And the politicization of the entire issue has thrown a cloud over information coming from heretofore highly credible institutions - CDC and NIH.

Of course, in the absence of data, analysis is a challenge, which is why we have agencies and experts worldwide asserting a mortality rate from .5% to 5%. More cases, maybe a lower mortality rate. But there may also be deaths attributable to COVID-19 but not identified as such, so maybe a higher mortality rate. And until we see what happens to those who fall into the "still sick" category - not reported as recovered and not dead yet - we won't know much more about the mortality rate. And in this regard there's the question of whether those recoveries are being accurately reported or if somehow they just drop out of the public statistics.

And then there's the issue of the rate of infection or the likelihood of infections after being exposed. So, for example, you have two new cases in Saratoga County, NY. Do those two cases suggest that there are more infected? Or is that it? Then there's the person at the medical center in New Hampshire who chose not to self-quarantine but rather attended a business event. So there are two infected there. Is that it? Same with the infection of a person who attended CPAC. Are there more who are ill but are either self-quarantining and/or self-treating? And, to go back to the OP, what do those 17 infections in Russia represent in terms of more widespread infections? We don't know.




The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,866 posts)
8. Where does WHO get its numbers?
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 01:55 PM
Mar 2020

I would assume mostly from countries' governments, some of which are trustworthy and others not so much.

dalton99a

(81,599 posts)
2. Russia Confirms Four New Coronavirus Cases
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 01:21 PM
Mar 2020
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/07/russia-confirms-four-new-coronavirus-cases-russia-confirms-four-new-coronavirus-cases-a69557
Russia Confirms Four New Coronavirus Cases

Four new cases of coronavirus have been identified in Russia, Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported Saturday.

The new cases take the total number of people who have been infected with coronavirus in Russia to 17, three of whom have since recovered.

Three of the four live in Lipetsk, a city 250 miles south of Moscow, with one in Russia’s second largest city St. Petersburg.

Authorities said all four had returned to Russia from Italy, where there are almost 4,000 confirmed cases of the virus, in the last two weeks.

Russia has introduced mandatory screening of new arrivals from Italy at its airports, and Moscow city has ordered anybody coming to Russia from some of the most-affected countries to self-quarantine for 14 days. The city is using its network of facial recognition cameras to monitor new arrivals and ensure they stick to the quarantine instructions.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
3. Hmmm...
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 01:22 PM
Mar 2020

Well, here is one source. I haven't looked it up.

Right now, Russia is showing: 15 confirmed. 0 dead. 3 recovered. A lot depends on tests being done, who is reporting, etc.

https://www.trackcorona.live/

https://www.trackcorona.live/map

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
11. One report last week from a S. Korean source said they suspected a case
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 03:24 PM
Mar 2020

in the North and they were summarily shot. S. Korea news seems to suspect an outbreak of sorts but I don't know how they know. I'll see if I can find that report.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
10. Information in general varies a bit but in most cases
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 03:19 PM
Mar 2020

it's within reason. International reports from certain places I take with a grain, ie Iran, Russia, a few others. But in the US the numbers vary the most. In UT, I know from my last check there are 2 cases and I know where they are because I know a state official who deals with it. Many sources say only 1 case, NYT says 2.
With something this wide spread, chaotic and with our idiotic administration it must be difficult for the sites collecting data to keep up. I just watch as a generalization of the situation and I don't like that.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
12. There are only so many routes for the virus.
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 03:37 PM
Mar 2020

The first is legal travel. If you're in one of the major cities, you might travel a bit. But otherwise, not so much. It's like travelling from the USSR--if you believe, then the USSR was good and the rest of the world a shithole, so why go? If you don't believe, there's a good chance if you go you won't be back. Thing is, infrastructure in Russia always was political--those with a need for support from their base made sure their base got better than others. And that's mean European Russia, that's mean larger cities. (The bol'sheviks, for all their rhetoric, only really cared about workers--not agrarian workers, Cesar Chavez would have known not to apply for his party card---and only much cared about European Russian larger cities and towns. When power passes for morality, truth and untruth are just means to get power.)

And in the hinterland travel zagranitsu is even less common.

Then there are the informal trade routes, which tend to border other countries. Those are all hinterland. There's quite a bit of underground cross-border activity over in the Far East, some farther west in central Siberia. But infrastructure there sucks and 100 people could probably die before anybody in the media noticed--and by that point media coercion would still produce silence.

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