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LiberalArkie

(15,727 posts)
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 12:40 PM Mar 2020

Top Virus Doctor Says High Blood Pressure Is Major Death Risk


March 9, 2020, 11:00 AM

Patients with hypertension appear to be at a higher risk of dying from the coronavirus, said a top Chinese intensive care doctor who’s been treating critically ill patients since mid-January.

While there’s been no published research yet explaining why, Chinese doctors working in Wuhan, the central Chinese city where the virus first emerged, have noticed that infected patients with that underlying illness are more likely to slip into severe distress and die.

Of a group of 170 patients who died in January in Wuhan -- the first wave of casualties caused by a pathogen that’s now raced around the world -- nearly half had hypertension.

“That’s a very high ratio,” said Du Bin, director of the intensive care unit at Peking Union Medical College Hospital, in an interview with Bloomberg over the phone from Wuhan. He was among a team of top doctors sent to the devastated city two months ago to help treat patients there.

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Top Virus Doctor Says High Blood Pressure Is Major Death Risk (Original Post) LiberalArkie Mar 2020 OP
This is interesting: Mike 03 Mar 2020 #1
Read that there are 75,000 ventilators in the entire USA flamingdem Mar 2020 #2
We are still in flu season with flu patients requiring ventilators too wishstar Mar 2020 #5
And headed for asthma season... Wounded Bear Mar 2020 #14
I saw a video that in China they are making use of the lung machines to oxygenate the blood when LiberalArkie Mar 2020 #6
Probably required. Igel Mar 2020 #21
I sure picked the right month to get off BP meds. 60 years old and BP is like a kids again. brewens Mar 2020 #3
Same with me.. Exercise. Exercise. 72 years old and normally 110/70 and 55 heart rate. LiberalArkie Mar 2020 #7
Introverts are more prepared for self-isolation than extroverts like tRump. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2020 #26
Extrovert in his case is spelled: asstrovert. yonder Mar 2020 #30
One of the few times having Aspergers helps. LiberalArkie Mar 2020 #42
67 and still working on mine...nt Wounded Bear Mar 2020 #15
Drink lots of beet juice and lose weight womanofthehills Mar 2020 #17
I'm also diabetic, so fasting really doesn't work for me... Wounded Bear Mar 2020 #24
Diabetic too I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2020 #40
Congratulations! That's a wonderful accomplishment. Phoenix61 Mar 2020 #27
Hibiscus tea has worked for everyone I know tavernier Mar 2020 #36
I have high BP, and since the BP med I was on raised prices to over $200 a month, both with my tblue37 Mar 2020 #4
Lisinopril? It works well for me and Metoprolol for the beta blocker at night. LiberalArkie Mar 2020 #8
Thanks. I will try those next, maybe, if they aren't too expensive. nt tblue37 Mar 2020 #9
Dirt cheap for me.. I never meet my part D deductible. Each one is less than $20 for a month LiberalArkie Mar 2020 #10
When I next see my doctor, if my BP isn't better, I will ask her about these. The last time I went tblue37 Mar 2020 #11
A diuretic is the one thing I never needed. LiberalArkie Mar 2020 #12
Some pharmacies will provide lisinopril Ilsa Mar 2020 #16
You are right about the cough. Elwood P Dowd Mar 2020 #28
Same here. That cough was something. yonder Mar 2020 #33
I'm also on lisinopril with some oxy something thrown in ... mr_lebowski Mar 2020 #29
I was allergic to lisinopril wryter2000 Mar 2020 #34
Hibiscus tea. Celestial teas make many flavors. tavernier Mar 2020 #37
Hibiscus is a diuretic. I am already taking a diuretic. nt tblue37 Mar 2020 #39
Unclear. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #13
Exactly. This is just a headline grabber without the appropriate controls, and double blind study still_one Mar 2020 #31
I was just diagnosed w hypertension Fiendish Thingy Mar 2020 #18
They don't specify if it's treated or untreated hypertension mainer Mar 2020 #19
I'd assume it's the state and not the category. Igel Mar 2020 #22
If you are under treatment for hypertension, it is still one of your diagnoses mainer Mar 2020 #23
Yeah, I wouldn't just 'suppose' either way either ... mr_lebowski Mar 2020 #32
I hope you're right wryter2000 Mar 2020 #35
shit uponit7771 Mar 2020 #20
The pResident tweeting that "the risk is low to the average American" rainin Mar 2020 #25
Sodium intake in China is very high. Richard D Mar 2020 #38
I have treated, and now normal, BP except when I'm upset or frightened. High BP started age 23 Shrike47 Mar 2020 #41
I'd be curious to know customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #43
I just am taking a guess here, I have along with other things mitral valve problems LiberalArkie Mar 2020 #44
Great, now my blood pressure is spiking! BadGimp Mar 2020 #45
if the orange jobby gets the Cov, he is so going down Celerity Mar 2020 #46

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
1. This is interesting:
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 12:46 PM
Mar 2020
The experience of SARS, the epidemic 17 years ago that sickened almost 8,000 people, showed that most patients can be cured without a specific anti-viral drug, said Du. And the abundance of antibiotics has not prevented deaths by bacterial infections, he added.

flamingdem

(39,316 posts)
2. Read that there are 75,000 ventilators in the entire USA
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 12:47 PM
Mar 2020

Is anyone minding the store? Perhaps lack of ventilators lead to the deaths of in Washington.

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Move Aggressively to Ventilate

Du said that doctors should not hesitate to escalate measures for patients facing respiratory distress, as organ failure can set in quickly after. That means doctors should intervene aggressively with invasive ventilation measures -- inserting a tube into a patient’s throat or cutting the throat open to create an airway -- when low blood oxygen levels can’t be improved by less invasive measures.

Almost half of the patients who require invasive mechanical ventilation end up dying, but most of those who recover are those who were put on invasive ventilation early, said Du.

“Patients need to use invasive ventilation as early as possible, there’s no point of doing it late,” he said.

Respiratory therapists -- doctors that specialize in ventilation and oxygen treatment -- are becoming all the more important in treating patients critically ill with Covid-19 as they are more knowledgeable and can fine-tune ventilators to suit patient conditions.

wishstar

(5,271 posts)
5. We are still in flu season with flu patients requiring ventilators too
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 12:50 PM
Mar 2020

compounding the shortage right now

Wounded Bear

(58,685 posts)
14. And headed for asthma season...
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 01:19 PM
Mar 2020

JIT philosophies don't work well in medicine. When the fertilizer hits the ventilator, we run out of ventilatiors fast.

LiberalArkie

(15,727 posts)
6. I saw a video that in China they are making use of the lung machines to oxygenate the blood when
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 12:50 PM
Mar 2020

the lungs can't do it. Interesting approach.

Igel

(35,337 posts)
21. Probably required.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 01:56 PM
Mar 2020

The treatment for the respiratory distress is "low tidal volume" ventilation, which means that you don't push in a lot of air at a time. Instead, it's more frequent and with smaller volumes. And they're also saying that the O2 level has to be very high, not normal atmospheric partial pressures. More like 90%, if not nearly pure O2.

The disease doesn't just keep the lungs from filling with air. It coats and blocks the alveoli, keeping the lungs from transferring O2 to the bloodstream.

Hypertension may weaken the lung tissue or it may just increase osmotic pressure and lead to more fluid buildup in the lungs. Or maybe there's something else going on.

brewens

(13,615 posts)
3. I sure picked the right month to get off BP meds. 60 years old and BP is like a kids again.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 12:48 PM
Mar 2020

It took massive weight loss and about a year of torture but I got it down.

LiberalArkie

(15,727 posts)
7. Same with me.. Exercise. Exercise. 72 years old and normally 110/70 and 55 heart rate.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 12:52 PM
Mar 2020

I still worry. A hell of a time too be a life long introvert.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,032 posts)
26. Introverts are more prepared for self-isolation than extroverts like tRump.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:08 PM
Mar 2020

He doesn't have an introvert bone in his body, not even an introvert bone spur.

He is incapable of introspection.

womanofthehills

(8,751 posts)
17. Drink lots of beet juice and lose weight
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 01:36 PM
Mar 2020

Semi fasting also works. Do not eat anything after dinner till noon the next day. Works for me. The nitrates in beet juice dilate your blood vessels within the hr. Also, natto, thins the blood if you can stand to eat it. You can get pills. When I got bitten by a rattler, the toxins thinned my blood big time and I had the lowest blood pressure in my life - for a few months.

Wounded Bear

(58,685 posts)
24. I'm also diabetic, so fasting really doesn't work for me...
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:17 PM
Mar 2020


Not sure about beets, but I don't do a lot (or any really) of juices because of the sugar content.

Mainly sticking with trying to eat right and get more exercise. Not that I'm a gym rat, but I'm doing the daily walk thing and some light lifting for toning.

Work in process. Oh, and I'm already on meds for all of that shit.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
40. Diabetic too
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:47 PM
Mar 2020

I lost 50 pounds maybe more by now. I'm diabetic too and my BP is really good sometimes a little low but I take a dose a lot lower now.

Know I'm in a risky group.
If I catch it will do my best to heal from it, If I don't heal and I die oh well,at least I really did what I could and fought it.

tblue37

(65,477 posts)
4. I have high BP, and since the BP med I was on raised prices to over $200 a month, both with my
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 12:48 PM
Mar 2020

previous "good" insurance and my current Medicare, I am still trying out different meds, none of which does a good, or even a fair, job of controlling my BP.

When I started on the effective med, it was just $30/month; now it's over $200. I have tried the generic version, and it has no effect at all on my BP.

I am 69 years old---and so screwed.

LiberalArkie

(15,727 posts)
8. Lisinopril? It works well for me and Metoprolol for the beta blocker at night.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 12:54 PM
Mar 2020

Look up you med and see what it says about taking with food. It does make a lot of difference if it says to take with a meal or right after.

tblue37

(65,477 posts)
11. When I next see my doctor, if my BP isn't better, I will ask her about these. The last time I went
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 01:08 PM
Mar 2020

in, she did add a diuretic to the meds I am currently on.

Ilsa

(61,696 posts)
16. Some pharmacies will provide lisinopril
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 01:34 PM
Mar 2020

and other cheap blood pressure meds super-cheap or even free.

Not everyone can take lisinopril. Some people develop a dry cough and must discontinue it. Thankfully, there are numerous antihypertensives that are effective and inexpensive.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
29. I'm also on lisinopril with some oxy something thrown in ...
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:21 PM
Mar 2020

Side effects seem minimal apart from a lot of peeing. It does work, too.

90 day supply is like $23 but not sure how much of that is my Insurance picking it up.

wryter2000

(46,076 posts)
34. I was allergic to lisinopril
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:26 PM
Mar 2020

I'm currently on librarian and some other drugs. There are probably dozens of BP drugs. I hope you find a good one.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
13. Unclear.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 01:18 PM
Mar 2020

The virus is most fatal in older people. Older people are more likely than young to have hypertension. As Dr. Bin noted, there is no published research on this correlation, and without experimental controls it is difficult to say whether hypertension is a causal factor or just coincidence.

still_one

(92,328 posts)
31. Exactly. This is just a headline grabber without the appropriate controls, and double blind study
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:24 PM
Mar 2020

necessary

Fiendish Thingy

(15,650 posts)
18. I was just diagnosed w hypertension
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 01:39 PM
Mar 2020

I’m 62, and doc put me on Ramipril.

He said he doesn’t consider me to be in high risk group for COVID.

For what it’s worth.

Remember, China has a high rate of smokers - these folks could have had hypertension along with other respiratory conditions, and were heavy smokers.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
19. They don't specify if it's treated or untreated hypertension
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 01:40 PM
Mar 2020

If you are hypertensive but your BP is controlled by medications, are you still high risk? Or is it simply patients who have untreated hypertension?

Igel

(35,337 posts)
22. I'd assume it's the state and not the category.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 01:59 PM
Mar 2020

If you're hypertensive and your blood pressure is normal because of meds, "hypertensive" doesn't describe your state it puts you in a category.

I'd assume it's the physiological state that's at issue, not the predisposition or state you'd revert to.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
23. If you are under treatment for hypertension, it is still one of your diagnoses
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:09 PM
Mar 2020

I am treated and now normotensive, but it will ALWAYS be on my diagnosis list.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
32. Yeah, I wouldn't just 'suppose' either way either ...
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:24 PM
Mar 2020

No way of knowing if it's the 'state' of actually having high blood pressure, or if it's really the inherent problems that lead to HBP ... that are detrimental to surviving the disease. I could easily see either being true, honestly. Or both ...

wryter2000

(46,076 posts)
35. I hope you're right
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:29 PM
Mar 2020

I developed allergies to two BP meds, but some others got it under control.

And they're unloading that ship where I live...Oakland

rainin

(3,011 posts)
25. The pResident tweeting that "the risk is low to the average American"
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:07 PM
Mar 2020

puts high risk people at greater risk. When you shake the hand of an older person, or move within a meter of that person, or touch a surface they will subsequently touch, you could be causing their exposure, illness, and death. No one knows if another has a high risk profile. Young people should be warned to take precautions to protect others, to look out for everyone because anyone can be at risk. Unfortunately, a huge segment of the population cares only about themselves.

Richard D

(8,759 posts)
38. Sodium intake in China is very high.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:40 PM
Mar 2020

In the USA, the average intake is 3.4 gms. Considered high.

In China it's 10.5 gms.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
41. I have treated, and now normal, BP except when I'm upset or frightened. High BP started age 23
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:48 PM
Mar 2020

Pregnancy did me in. Anyway, if I stay away from my cardiologist and just see the nurse practitioners my BP is much better.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
43. I'd be curious to know
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 04:17 PM
Mar 2020

if there is a survival difference (from coronavirus infection) between people whose high blood pressure is controlled by drugs (as mine is) and those who are untreated for this condition.

LiberalArkie

(15,727 posts)
44. I just am taking a guess here, I have along with other things mitral valve problems
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 04:35 PM
Mar 2020

My BP goes up when I am talking (using a long of air). I have to tell nurses I can't talk while they are check my bp. Maybe people with normally moderate or high BP have their BP go really high when their breathing is restricted by the lung problems. Whereas those that have low BP like the young have their BP go up but not to the extreme like the older patients do.

Just a guess.. Not a MD, just a professional patient at times.

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