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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDon't Panic, You Don't Need Hand Sanitizer to Fight Coronavirus
The greatest trick hand sanitizer ever played on humanity was convincing us it needed to exist as long as we have soap and water, well be fineCOVID-19 is here, and to put it scientifically, people are shitting their panties over it. People are buying masks that wont protect them. Theyre buying doomsday-survival gear they (very likely) wont need. And, if theyre lucky enough to find it, theyre buying hand sanitizer in bulk which in most cases, they dont really need, either.
In recent weeks, as the death toll has climbed and the panic surrounding coronavirus has mounted, hand sanitizer has been increasingly difficult to find, with stores selling out of Purell and other sanitizer brands. On Amazon, third-party sellers have capitalized on the fear by selling hand sanitizer at an incredibly marked-up price, with packs of four bottles costing dozens of times the original amount. While a bottle of hand sanitizer typically costs about $2.50, on Amazon one reseller is selling two-packs of 8-oz. bottles of Purell for $79.99. And while Amazon has promised to actively monitor the situation and remove third-party vendors selling hand sanitizer at an outrageous cost, as of Thursday morning such listings were a simple search away.
For those of us who either cant find hand sanitizer or cant afford the mind-boggling markups, this is pretty terrifying and for those of us with health-related anxiety, the hand sanitizer shortage can feel literally like the difference between life and death. It has even sparked a small subgenre of online content targeted at the coronavirus-anxious among us, with e-commerce articles hawking the top brands of hand sanitizer (none of which are actually available, which is helpful) and recipes for how to make your own.
Fortunately, being unable to find or afford to buy hand sanitizer doesnt literally signify the difference between life and death in fact, not even close. Public-health experts and microbiologists who spoke with Rolling Stone say that when it comes to coronavirus, its not nearly as significant as many have claimed.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/hand-sanitizer-effective-coronavirus-covid-19-962027/
Quixote1818
(28,955 posts)I keep it in my car. You get gas, touch the pump and either go inside and spread germs onto doors or get into your car and use hand sanitizer. One example.
BigmanPigman
(51,623 posts)anti-bacterial wipes and put some in a baggie to wipe the steering wheel. As soon as I come home I wash my hands. I am semi-self quarantined as a precaution, as is my mother.
Quixote1818
(28,955 posts)are on gas pumps. Sometimes I even wipe down the pump for the next person.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)What exactly would anti-bacterial wipes (especially old ones) do against a virus?
What's the active agent in those wipes that you found?
ProfessorGAC
(65,136 posts)If the active is something containing labile chlorine ions, it kills viruses too. It denatures the protein, and can cleave the nucleic acids in the viral RNA.
And if the active is isopropanol, same as most hand sanitizers.
So, even though it's called an antibac, it's still likely, not assumed but likely, to be effective as long as contact time is longer than a split second.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Makes it very susceptible to soap and water on the out side.
Does that make sense?
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)MH1
(17,600 posts)Sorry, no link. I was skimming Google News during lunch today. I only look at reputable sites for this kind of stuff so it is reasonable, if not iron-clad.
That said if you already have your routine down, I'd stick with it.
It just makes me feel better because I always realize too late that I missed a spot where I could've picked it up. Like, I just got gas a couple days ago, and didn't think for a moment to use hand sanitizer. So was glad to see that article today.
I do wash my hands a zillion times a day lately. I think of it like a video game where I am killing all the imaginary bugs that managed to get on my hands since the last time I washed them.
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)I use it when I'm out doing errands. Using soap and water at home. So there.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Give me a break. Where is one going to wash one hands if one is outside?
RockRaven
(14,985 posts)by Big Sanitizer. That's just how most cars have been designed.
So, in fact, I don't have soap and water in precisely the circumstances in which I'd like my hand to be cleaned. From the time I leave the public place which has caused me to want to cleanse my hands until I get home could be anywhere from a few minutes to an hour or more. In the mean time I'm touching all sorts of surfaces that other people in my family also touch and yes even touching my face no matter how much I try not to.
Look, I don't think people should be buying it at inflated prices, and it certainly is no cure-all, but this "hot take" is dopey.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)They come in a little canister that dispenses, kill the fabled 99.9% of germs and fit in my purse/ and in my car.
Ive always hated hand sanitizer.
Skittles
(153,174 posts)we also know that very often, a sink and soap are NOT AVAILABLE
peacebuzzard
(5,180 posts)bathrooms are always occupied and the sinks are small and at times the water doesn't even work.
I have looked in all the stores for hand sanitizer for 2 days. Shelves are empty. Clerks say they do not have stock.
I finally bought 70% alcohol and some gel. I will make my own.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I think theyre better because you can cover more of your hand with them.
peacebuzzard
(5,180 posts)Just the regular cleaning ones are available.
I think alcohol is only ingredient to kill virus cells.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Wet wipes makes them, but I buy store brand.
Usually found on the paper plate aisle, of all places.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Unless they are alcohol wipes. If they just have anti-bacterial agents, they won't work against a virus.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Just trying to be helpful since people cant find the sanitizer.
Washing hands with REGULAR soap is better than anything, according to the experts. Wipes, sanitizers, etc. are stopgap measures.
Ive used them for years because Ive had heavy people-contact jobs. Im a big hand washer, and I use regular soap.
I cant tell you the last time Ive been sick, even with a cold. Perhaps my immune system, perhaps my precautions. Probably a combination of both.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)If you can find them, maybe buy extra you never know. We use them as well.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Never thought of myself as a germaphobe, but maybe Ive always been one lol.
No shortage of these so far. Ive worked with people my whole life, often immuno-compromised or vulnerable people, is Ive always kept them in a backpack, my car, etc.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)I think I do it, because I always have kids/teenagers with me.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)We did a lot of flying in those days.
Im sure she was just trying to keep our grubby paws somewhat presentable, but the lesson stuck.
I can still remember the smell of them, reminds me of long one happy times.
Stay safe out there...scary times.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)I didn't even think of that, great tip thanks.
Kaleva
(36,327 posts)"As for the usefulness of antiseptic wet wipes, Dr Marimuthu said they should be used for cleaning environmental surfaces and not for hands.
A virologist from Queen Mary University of London did a study on wet wipes some years back and found that in some cases, using wet wipes actually spreads germs rather than removing them.
To be at all effective, the wipes need at least 40 per cent alcohol. Those that are drying out should be discarded."
https://www.youngparents.com.sg/development/hand-sanitisers-antiseptic-wet-wipes-protection-virus/
LisaL
(44,974 posts)can spread germs around. And if they are not alcohol based, they won't work against a freaking virus.
Anti-bacterial agents don't kill a virus.
They kill bacteria.
Virus is not bacteria.
Turin_C3PO
(14,022 posts)I dont know the mechanism but a poster above me explained it pretty well.
They work for me. Always have.
Best thing is washing hands.
Lol, not sure where you live, but Ive never had a problem finding trash cans. In my car, I keep a bag emptied everyday.
mucifer
(23,558 posts)We also wash our hands when they are visibly soiled. We use hand sanitizer whenever we go into our nursing bag or touch the patient or type in our computers. We are constantly using sanitizer because running back and forth to bathroom is a pain in the butt. Plus we are now using our company's paper towels and soap. We are not permitted to put our stethoscopes around our necks and we wipe down our equipment with stuff that is so toxic we have to wear gloves when we wipe them down. I am glad we have a strict policy.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)You need it for when you cant wash your hands which is plenty of places, duh😹🐾 And soap is running out everywhere as well. I could get rubbing alcohol but no aloe vera. Bac benzelkonium chloride is better, no alcohol and it works for 7 hand washes.
sl8
(13,855 posts)About surface disinfection, not hand sanitizer, but seemed appropriate.
From https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32035997
(emphasis added by moi)
J Hosp Infect. 2020 Mar;104(3):246-251. doi: 10.1016/j.jhin.2020.01.022. Epub 2020 Feb 6.
Kampf G1, Todt D2, Pfaender S2, Steinmann E2.
Abstract
Currently, the emergence of a novel human coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, has become a global health concern causing severe respiratory tract infections in humans. Human-to-human transmissions have been described with incubation times between 2-10 days, facilitating its spread via droplets, contaminated hands or surfaces. We therefore reviewed the literature on all available information about the persistence of human and veterinary coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces as well as inactivation strategies with biocidal agents used for chemical disinfection, e.g. in healthcare facilities. The analysis of 22 studies reveals that human coronaviruses such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) coronavirus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) coronavirus or endemic human coronaviruses (HCoV) can persist on inanimate surfaces like metal, glass or plastic for up to 9 days, but can be efficiently inactivated by surface disinfection procedures with 62-71% ethanol, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide or 0.1% sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute. Other biocidal agents such as 0.05-0.2% benzalkonium chloride or 0.02% chlorhexidine digluconate are less effective. As no specific therapies are available for SARS-CoV-2, early containment and prevention of further spread will be crucial to stop the ongoing outbreak and to control this novel infectious thread.
Copyright © 2020 The Healthcare Infection Society. Published by Elsevier Ltd. All rights reserved.
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samnsara
(17,627 posts)...with enough alcohol to kill the virus. Kinda $$ for hand wash but if you're inna pinch.....drink it!
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,014 posts)I think that will be a potent wash between everyday errands.
jmbar2
(4,903 posts)A water jug with a spigot, small pan if you wish, soap, paper towels, trash receptacle. Cheap. Easy.
Moostache
(9,897 posts)Step 1) Rinse hands by covering with Rubbing Alcohol (about a palm-sized amount), rub together vigorously for 5-10 seconds - top AND bottom; then allow to air dry/evaporate
Step 2) Wash hands with Ivory soap and warm water for 20 seconds, again do NOT skip the top of the hands or between fingers!!!
Step 3) Dry hands with disposable paper towels or napkins (single use ONLY)
Step 4) DO NOT TOUCH EYES, NOSE, MOUTH before completing steps 1 through 3 - if you contact ANY other foreign surfaces, repeat 1 through 3 immediately before touching facial areas.
That is probably the best you can do to avoid exposure/sickness right now in just about every corner of the globe!
highplainsdem
(49,022 posts)the other ingredient for the homemade hand sanitizer recipe getting the most attention online.