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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,136 posts)
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 07:38 PM Mar 2020

Don't Panic, You Don't Need Hand Sanitizer to Fight Coronavirus

The greatest trick hand sanitizer ever played on humanity was convincing us it needed to exist — as long as we have soap and water, we’ll be fine

COVID-19 is here, and to put it scientifically, people are shitting their panties over it. People are buying masks that won’t protect them. They’re buying doomsday-survival gear they (very likely) won’t need. And, if they’re lucky enough to find it, they’re buying hand sanitizer in bulk — which in most cases, they don’t really need, either.

In recent weeks, as the death toll has climbed and the panic surrounding coronavirus has mounted, hand sanitizer has been increasingly difficult to find, with stores selling out of Purell and other sanitizer brands. On Amazon, third-party sellers have capitalized on the fear by selling hand sanitizer at an incredibly marked-up price, with packs of four bottles costing dozens of times the original amount. While a bottle of hand sanitizer typically costs about $2.50, on Amazon one reseller is selling two-packs of 8-oz. bottles of Purell for $79.99. And while Amazon has promised to actively monitor the situation and remove third-party vendors selling hand sanitizer at an outrageous cost, as of Thursday morning such listings were a simple search away.

For those of us who either can’t find hand sanitizer or can’t afford the mind-boggling markups, this is pretty terrifying — and for those of us with health-related anxiety, the hand sanitizer shortage can feel literally like the difference between life and death. It has even sparked a small subgenre of online content targeted at the coronavirus-anxious among us, with e-commerce articles hawking the top brands of hand sanitizer (none of which are actually available, which is helpful) and recipes for how to make your own.

Fortunately, being unable to find or afford to buy hand sanitizer doesn’t literally signify the difference between life and death — in fact, not even close. Public-health experts and microbiologists who spoke with Rolling Stone say that when it comes to coronavirus, it’s not nearly as significant as many have claimed.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/hand-sanitizer-effective-coronavirus-covid-19-962027/
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Don't Panic, You Don't Need Hand Sanitizer to Fight Coronavirus (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2020 OP
There are times there is no place to wash your hands. Quixote1818 Mar 2020 #1
Yep, I just found an old container of BigmanPigman Mar 2020 #3
I have kept it in my car for years after hearing about how many germs Quixote1818 Mar 2020 #4
Corona virus is a VIRUS. LisaL Mar 2020 #19
It Can Still Work, Lisa ProfessorGAC Mar 2020 #20
I read that Corona virus has a shell that increases its vitality in the blood stream but grantcart Mar 2020 #29
+1, or you don't trust the water uponit7771 Mar 2020 #6
I think the latest is that this virus doesn't survive long on surfaces MH1 Mar 2020 #25
I keep it in my car PasadenaTrudy Mar 2020 #2
And if the stores run out of soap, I guess we will just need water. LisaL Mar 2020 #5
My car doesn't have a sink/faucet. I don't think that is a trick being played on me RockRaven Mar 2020 #7
I buy hand wipes. cwydro Mar 2020 #10
everyone knows hand washing is best Skittles Mar 2020 #8
where I work, it is difficult to wash up. peacebuzzard Mar 2020 #9
Buy hand wipes. Very cheap and just as good. cwydro Mar 2020 #11
I looked for those, alcohol wipes are out of stock peacebuzzard Mar 2020 #13
The ones I buy are called anti-bacterial hand wipes. cwydro Mar 2020 #14
Well, anti-bacterial wipes aren't going to work against a virus. LisaL Mar 2020 #17
The actual wording says 99.9% of bacteria and viruses. cwydro Mar 2020 #23
They are sold out in many places throughout the country at the moment. dewsgirl Mar 2020 #31
I've been buying them for years. cwydro Mar 2020 #35
I keep them in the car as well and if course I have a trash bin also. dewsgirl Mar 2020 #36
A hundred years ago, my mom took wipes on the airplanes with us as we traveled as a family. cwydro Mar 2020 #38
Lens wipes jberryhill Mar 2020 #33
My son has tons and tons of these around the house. dewsgirl Mar 2020 #37
Hand wipes may be more effective, in some cases, in spreading germs then killing them Kaleva Mar 2020 #16
And then what do you do with them? Unless you have a trash can to throw them out, I would think you LisaL Mar 2020 #18
Actually, they can be effective against viruses. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #22
See # 23. cwydro Mar 2020 #24
As a hospice nurse our policy is intense. We wash our hands entering and leaving a patients home mucifer Mar 2020 #12
Nope Meowmee Mar 2020 #15
"Persistence of coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces and their inactivation with biocidal agents." sl8 Mar 2020 #21
as far as bar alcohol goes I believe Absinthe or Everclear were the only 2.. samnsara Mar 2020 #26
There is another one..Spirytus I think that's the name. dewsgirl Mar 2020 #32
I poured a bottle of tea tree oil into a bottle of Dr Bronners C_U_L8R Mar 2020 #27
You can have a handwashing station in your car. jmbar2 Mar 2020 #28
Rubbing Alcohol (70%) and bar of Ivory Soap - $2.00 for a bottle and a bar! Moostache Mar 2020 #30
Rubbing alcohol is already sold out at lots of stores and lots of sites, along with aloe vera gel, highplainsdem Mar 2020 #34

Quixote1818

(28,955 posts)
1. There are times there is no place to wash your hands.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 07:44 PM
Mar 2020

I keep it in my car. You get gas, touch the pump and either go inside and spread germs onto doors or get into your car and use hand sanitizer. One example.

BigmanPigman

(51,623 posts)
3. Yep, I just found an old container of
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 07:56 PM
Mar 2020

anti-bacterial wipes and put some in a baggie to wipe the steering wheel. As soon as I come home I wash my hands. I am semi-self quarantined as a precaution, as is my mother.

Quixote1818

(28,955 posts)
4. I have kept it in my car for years after hearing about how many germs
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 08:08 PM
Mar 2020

are on gas pumps. Sometimes I even wipe down the pump for the next person.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
19. Corona virus is a VIRUS.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:25 AM
Mar 2020

What exactly would anti-bacterial wipes (especially old ones) do against a virus?
What's the active agent in those wipes that you found?

ProfessorGAC

(65,136 posts)
20. It Can Still Work, Lisa
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 07:05 AM
Mar 2020

If the active is something containing labile chlorine ions, it kills viruses too. It denatures the protein, and can cleave the nucleic acids in the viral RNA.
And if the active is isopropanol, same as most hand sanitizers.
So, even though it's called an antibac, it's still likely, not assumed but likely, to be effective as long as contact time is longer than a split second.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
29. I read that Corona virus has a shell that increases its vitality in the blood stream but
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:52 PM
Mar 2020

Makes it very susceptible to soap and water on the out side.

Does that make sense?

MH1

(17,600 posts)
25. I think the latest is that this virus doesn't survive long on surfaces
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:45 PM
Mar 2020

Sorry, no link. I was skimming Google News during lunch today. I only look at reputable sites for this kind of stuff so it is reasonable, if not iron-clad.

That said if you already have your routine down, I'd stick with it.

It just makes me feel better because I always realize too late that I missed a spot where I could've picked it up. Like, I just got gas a couple days ago, and didn't think for a moment to use hand sanitizer. So was glad to see that article today.

I do wash my hands a zillion times a day lately. I think of it like a video game where I am killing all the imaginary bugs that managed to get on my hands since the last time I washed them.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
5. And if the stores run out of soap, I guess we will just need water.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 08:10 PM
Mar 2020

Give me a break. Where is one going to wash one hands if one is outside?

RockRaven

(14,985 posts)
7. My car doesn't have a sink/faucet. I don't think that is a trick being played on me
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 08:13 PM
Mar 2020

by Big Sanitizer. That's just how most cars have been designed.

So, in fact, I don't have soap and water in precisely the circumstances in which I'd like my hand to be cleaned. From the time I leave the public place which has caused me to want to cleanse my hands until I get home could be anywhere from a few minutes to an hour or more. In the mean time I'm touching all sorts of surfaces that other people in my family also touch and yes even touching my face no matter how much I try not to.

Look, I don't think people should be buying it at inflated prices, and it certainly is no cure-all, but this "hot take" is dopey.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
10. I buy hand wipes.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 08:51 PM
Mar 2020

They come in a little canister that dispenses, kill the fabled 99.9% of germs and fit in my purse/ and in my car.

I’ve always hated hand sanitizer.

peacebuzzard

(5,180 posts)
9. where I work, it is difficult to wash up.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 08:23 PM
Mar 2020

bathrooms are always occupied and the sinks are small and at times the water doesn't even work.

I have looked in all the stores for hand sanitizer for 2 days. Shelves are empty. Clerks say they do not have stock.

I finally bought 70% alcohol and some gel. I will make my own.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
11. Buy hand wipes. Very cheap and just as good.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 08:52 PM
Mar 2020

I think they’re better because you can cover more of your hand with them.

peacebuzzard

(5,180 posts)
13. I looked for those, alcohol wipes are out of stock
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 11:41 PM
Mar 2020

Just the regular cleaning ones are available.
I think alcohol is only ingredient to kill virus cells.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
14. The ones I buy are called anti-bacterial hand wipes.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:21 AM
Mar 2020

Wet wipes makes them, but I buy store brand.

Usually found on the paper plate aisle, of all places.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
17. Well, anti-bacterial wipes aren't going to work against a virus.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:19 AM
Mar 2020

Unless they are alcohol wipes. If they just have anti-bacterial agents, they won't work against a virus.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
23. The actual wording says 99.9% of bacteria and viruses.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:33 PM
Mar 2020

Just trying to be helpful since people can’t find the sanitizer.

Washing hands with REGULAR soap is better than anything, according to the experts. Wipes, sanitizers, etc. are stopgap measures.

I’ve used them for years because I’ve had heavy people-contact jobs. I’m a big hand washer, and I use regular soap.

I can’t tell you the last time I’ve been sick, even with a cold. Perhaps my immune system, perhaps my precautions. Probably a combination of both.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
31. They are sold out in many places throughout the country at the moment.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 07:02 PM
Mar 2020

If you can find them, maybe buy extra you never know. We use them as well.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
35. I've been buying them for years.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 07:41 PM
Mar 2020

Never thought of myself as a germaphobe, but maybe I’ve always been one lol.

No shortage of these so far. I’ve worked with people my whole life, often immuno-compromised or vulnerable people, is I’ve always kept them in a backpack, my car, etc.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
36. I keep them in the car as well and if course I have a trash bin also.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 07:46 PM
Mar 2020

I think I do it, because I always have kids/teenagers with me.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
38. A hundred years ago, my mom took wipes on the airplanes with us as we traveled as a family.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 07:51 PM
Mar 2020

We did a lot of flying in those days.

I’m sure she was just trying to keep our grubby paws somewhat presentable, but the lesson stuck.

I can still remember the smell of them, reminds me of long one happy times.

Stay safe out there...scary times.

Kaleva

(36,327 posts)
16. Hand wipes may be more effective, in some cases, in spreading germs then killing them
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:12 AM
Mar 2020

"As for the usefulness of antiseptic wet wipes, Dr Marimuthu said they should be used for cleaning environmental surfaces and not for hands.

A virologist from Queen Mary University of London did a study on wet wipes some years back and found that in some cases, using wet wipes actually spreads germs rather than removing them.

To be at all effective, the wipes need at least 40 per cent alcohol. Those that are drying out should be discarded."

https://www.youngparents.com.sg/development/hand-sanitisers-antiseptic-wet-wipes-protection-virus/

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
18. And then what do you do with them? Unless you have a trash can to throw them out, I would think you
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:23 AM
Mar 2020

can spread germs around. And if they are not alcohol based, they won't work against a freaking virus.
Anti-bacterial agents don't kill a virus.
They kill bacteria.
Virus is not bacteria.

Turin_C3PO

(14,022 posts)
22. Actually, they can be effective against viruses.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 07:44 AM
Mar 2020

I don’t know the mechanism but a poster above me explained it pretty well.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
24. See # 23.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:38 PM
Mar 2020

They work for me. Always have.

Best thing is washing hands.

Lol, not sure where you live, but I’ve never had a problem finding trash cans. In my car, I keep a bag emptied everyday.

mucifer

(23,558 posts)
12. As a hospice nurse our policy is intense. We wash our hands entering and leaving a patients home
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 08:53 PM
Mar 2020

We also wash our hands when they are visibly soiled. We use hand sanitizer whenever we go into our nursing bag or touch the patient or type in our computers. We are constantly using sanitizer because running back and forth to bathroom is a pain in the butt. Plus we are now using our company's paper towels and soap. We are not permitted to put our stethoscopes around our necks and we wipe down our equipment with stuff that is so toxic we have to wear gloves when we wipe them down. I am glad we have a strict policy.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
15. Nope
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:43 AM
Mar 2020

You need it for when you can’t wash your hands which is plenty of places, duh😹🐾 And soap is running out everywhere as well. I could get rubbing alcohol but no aloe vera. Bac benzelkonium chloride is better, no alcohol and it works for 7 hand washes.

sl8

(13,855 posts)
21. "Persistence of coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces and their inactivation with biocidal agents."
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 07:23 AM
Mar 2020

About surface disinfection, not hand sanitizer, but seemed appropriate.

From https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32035997
(emphasis added by moi)

Persistence of coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces and their inactivation with biocidal agents.

J Hosp Infect. 2020 Mar;104(3):246-251. doi: 10.1016/j.jhin.2020.01.022. Epub 2020 Feb 6.

Kampf G1, Todt D2, Pfaender S2, Steinmann E2.

Abstract
Currently, the emergence of a novel human coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, has become a global health concern causing severe respiratory tract infections in humans. Human-to-human transmissions have been described with incubation times between 2-10 days, facilitating its spread via droplets, contaminated hands or surfaces. We therefore reviewed the literature on all available information about the persistence of human and veterinary coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces as well as inactivation strategies with biocidal agents used for chemical disinfection, e.g. in healthcare facilities. The analysis of 22 studies reveals that human coronaviruses such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) coronavirus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) coronavirus or endemic human coronaviruses (HCoV) can persist on inanimate surfaces like metal, glass or plastic for up to 9 days, but can be efficiently inactivated by surface disinfection procedures with 62-71% ethanol, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide or 0.1% sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute. Other biocidal agents such as 0.05-0.2% benzalkonium chloride or 0.02% chlorhexidine digluconate are less effective. As no specific therapies are available for SARS-CoV-2, early containment and prevention of further spread will be crucial to stop the ongoing outbreak and to control this novel infectious thread.

Copyright © 2020 The Healthcare Infection Society. Published by Elsevier Ltd. All rights reserved.

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samnsara

(17,627 posts)
26. as far as bar alcohol goes I believe Absinthe or Everclear were the only 2..
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:49 PM
Mar 2020

...with enough alcohol to kill the virus. Kinda $$ for hand wash but if you're inna pinch.....drink it!

C_U_L8R

(45,014 posts)
27. I poured a bottle of tea tree oil into a bottle of Dr Bronners
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:49 PM
Mar 2020

I think that will be a potent wash between everyday errands.

jmbar2

(4,903 posts)
28. You can have a handwashing station in your car.
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:52 PM
Mar 2020

A water jug with a spigot, small pan if you wish, soap, paper towels, trash receptacle. Cheap. Easy.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
30. Rubbing Alcohol (70%) and bar of Ivory Soap - $2.00 for a bottle and a bar!
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 07:01 PM
Mar 2020

Step 1) Rinse hands by covering with Rubbing Alcohol (about a palm-sized amount), rub together vigorously for 5-10 seconds - top AND bottom; then allow to air dry/evaporate
Step 2) Wash hands with Ivory soap and warm water for 20 seconds, again do NOT skip the top of the hands or between fingers!!!
Step 3) Dry hands with disposable paper towels or napkins (single use ONLY)
Step 4) DO NOT TOUCH EYES, NOSE, MOUTH before completing steps 1 through 3 - if you contact ANY other foreign surfaces, repeat 1 through 3 immediately before touching facial areas.

That is probably the best you can do to avoid exposure/sickness right now in just about every corner of the globe!

highplainsdem

(49,022 posts)
34. Rubbing alcohol is already sold out at lots of stores and lots of sites, along with aloe vera gel,
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 07:37 PM
Mar 2020

the other ingredient for the homemade hand sanitizer recipe getting the most attention online.

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