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LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 03:51 PM Mar 2020

Infected people without symptoms might be driving the spread of coronavirus more than we realized

(CNN)New studies in several countries and a large coronavirus outbreak in Massachusetts bring into question reassuring assertions by US officials about the way the novel virus spreads.

These officials have emphasized that the virus is spread mainly by people who are already showing symptoms, such as fever, cough or difficulty breathing. If that's true, it's good news, since people who are obviously ill can be identified and isolated, making it easier to control an outbreak.

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On Tuesday, Dr. Sandra Ciesek, director of the Institute of Medical Virology in Frankfurt, Germany, tested 24 passengers who had just flown in from Israel.

Seven of the 24 passengers tested positive for coronavirus. Four of those had no symptoms, and Ciesek was surprised to find that the viral load of the specimens from the asymptomatic patients was higher than the viral load of the specimens from the three patients who did have symptoms.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread/index.html

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Infected people without symptoms might be driving the spread of coronavirus more than we realized (Original Post) LiberalArkie Mar 2020 OP
I'm positive that if we conducted widespread testing of non-sick people, BusyBeingBest Mar 2020 #1
True matt819 Mar 2020 #4
It could also persuade asymptomatic, untested people to practice social distancing, since tblue37 Mar 2020 #13
I'm not surprised. Even the initial published reports in the medical journals pointed to this hlthe2b Mar 2020 #2
Agreed. I don't find this surprising at all. Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #5
Yes, article in the Guardian Mar 12 Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2020 #10
Trump is probably lying about his doctor. dawg day Mar 2020 #14
the doctor put out a letter last night(probably at Trump's insistence) Today Trump once again hlthe2b Mar 2020 #15
There is ZERO percent chance we have only 2k infected in the US... SKKY Mar 2020 #3
yep...and for the most part, they are really only testing ppl with fever, cough... FirstLight Mar 2020 #6
Reinfection possible. Skidmore Mar 2020 #7
I hope those genetic sequences going to be immediately analyzed to see how heterogeneous they are hlthe2b Mar 2020 #8
Bigly scary. GreenPartyVoter Mar 2020 #11
I have to be honest, Control-Z Mar 2020 #16
There will likely be some immunity and it is true we don't know if this person ever 'cleared" hlthe2b Mar 2020 #17
Hey, hlthe2b. Control-Z Mar 2020 #18
Happy to provide my experience and knowledge. hlthe2b Mar 2020 #19
Not more than I realized. I realized it a long time ago. defacto7 Mar 2020 #9
Again, the issue really is: Brainfodder Mar 2020 #12

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
1. I'm positive that if we conducted widespread testing of non-sick people,
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 03:55 PM
Mar 2020

the virus will turn up, especially in certain heavy caseload areas. That said, there is literally nothing anyone can do about this.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
4. True
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 04:03 PM
Mar 2020

But the more information publicly and widely available will be helpful to epidemiologists as well as offer possibly more realistic mortality rate data. Which is why testing is absolutely crucial and should not he restricted to the wealthy or the connected or celebrities.

tblue37

(65,357 posts)
13. It could also persuade asymptomatic, untested people to practice social distancing, since
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 04:48 PM
Mar 2020

they could be infected without realizing it.

hlthe2b

(102,278 posts)
2. I'm not surprised. Even the initial published reports in the medical journals pointed to this
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 03:56 PM
Mar 2020

So, the fact that Trump's doctor told him he wasn't at risk and didn't need to be tested because he was asymptomatic is as irresponsible a thing I have seen in a long time. Dr. Faucci obviously accorded him benefit-of-the-doubt, but he should NOT have. This sent a message to other physicians. ANd it is WRONG and Dangerous!

hlthe2b

(102,278 posts)
15. the doctor put out a letter last night(probably at Trump's insistence) Today Trump once again
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 05:21 PM
Mar 2020

contradicted and did a 180.


SKKY

(11,810 posts)
3. There is ZERO percent chance we have only 2k infected in the US...
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 04:00 PM
Mar 2020

...where Spain has more than 5k. It’s just not realistic.

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
6. yep...and for the most part, they are really only testing ppl with fever, cough...
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 04:08 PM
Mar 2020

so the Asymptomatic ones continue to go about their business and the clusterfuck continues....

hlthe2b

(102,278 posts)
8. I hope those genetic sequences going to be immediately analyzed to see how heterogeneous they are
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 04:21 PM
Mar 2020

If it is mutating sufficiently to allow reinfection that is scary as hell.
If the body's immune system (or at least in this patient) is not conferring any degree of lasting immunity--or even short term immunity, that is scary as hell.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
16. I have to be honest,
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 05:51 PM
Mar 2020

I was assuming that anyone who got the infection and lived through it would become immune.

I've been wondering about this mostly in the case of healthcare professionals who get sick after caring for others. I just assumed they would be the most desirable healthcare workers once they became immune. But now, no. Very scary.

hlthe2b

(102,278 posts)
17. There will likely be some immunity and it is true we don't know if this person ever 'cleared"
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 05:57 PM
Mar 2020

since it could be a lab error, failure to sample sufficiently following the first episode (enough times and enough body sites) or if they have some deficiency in their immune response.

The fact that we have not yet been able to produce a serology test (to show antibodies produced to the virus, rather than simple nucleic acid sequences that confirms antigen viral presence) means we don't have a way to track the immune response. These tests are more complicated and CDC is working on it, but it is critically important going forward.

hlthe2b

(102,278 posts)
19. Happy to provide my experience and knowledge.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 06:03 PM
Mar 2020

I will say that there are a couple of case reports of plasma from recovered patients being used to treat patients in a couple of instances with seeming success, which suggests they might have had specific antibodies from infection. Of course, it might also mean they just benefitted from the plasma alone.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
12. Again, the issue really is:
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 04:46 PM
Mar 2020
Keeping ALL OF US from getting sick AT THE SAME so ventilators
are available for each and every unlucky sob who NEEDS one?


No matter who or where you are!

But know suffering is on the way!
Some of you are not going to make it!
Some of you are going to wish you hadn't made it!
Some of you are going to wish you hadn't been so dumb!
Some of you are going to be crying, A LOT!
Some of you are going to be burdened in various ways you didn't see coming?
Some of us have no health insurance?
Some of us have nobody, literally no one, and some of them, don't even know this is about to happen?

GOOD LUCK!

Some of us are going to be better people when this is over!
Some of us are going to prison!
Some of us are going to smoke a lot of cannabis during this down time and just make the best of it?

Just remember some of us thought Donald Trump was worthy.
Just remember some of us thought President Obama was into satan and born in Kenya.
Just remember some of us thought Hillary Clinton was dying and running a sex slave ring in a pizza shop?
Just know I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on....and didn't!









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