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Ms. Toad

(34,076 posts)
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:01 PM Mar 2020

COVID 19 is not "just" the flu - please educate yourselves

The report that convinced Trump

That messy back-and-forth has been on vivid display this week with the publication of a startling new report on the virus from a team at Imperial College in London. The report, which warned that an uncontrolled spread of the disease could cause as many as 510,000 deaths in Britain, triggered a sudden shift in the government’s comparatively relaxed response to the virus.

American officials said the report, which projected up to 2.2 million deaths in the United States from such a spread, also influenced the White House to strengthen its measures to isolate members of the public.

Imperial College has advised the government on its response to previous epidemics, including SARS, avian flu and swine flu. With ties to the World Health Organization and a team of 50 scientists, led by a prominent epidemiologist, Neil Ferguson, Imperial is treated as a sort of gold standard, its mathematical models feeding directly into government policies.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/europe/coronavirus-imperial-college-johnson.html

We assumed an incubation period of 5.1 days. Infectiousness is assumed to occur from 12 hours prior to the onset of symptoms for those that are symptomatic and from 4.6 days after infection in those that are asymptomatic with an infectiousness profile over time that results in a 6.5-day mean generation time. Based on fits to the early growth-rate of the epidemic in Wuhan10,11, we make a baseline assumption that R0=2.4 but examine values between 2.0 and 2.6. We assume that symptomatic individuals are 50% more infectious than asymptomatic individuals. Individual infectiousness is assumed to be variable, described by a gamma distribution with mean 1 and shape parameter =0.25. On recovery from infection, individuals are assumed to be immune to re-infection in the short term. Evidence from the Flu Watch cohort study suggests that re-infection with the same strain of seasonal circulating coronavirus is highly unlikely in the same or following season (Prof Andrew Hayward, personal communication). Infection was assumed to be seeded in each country at an exponentially growing rate (with a doubling time of 5 days) from early January 2020, with the rate of seeding being calibrated to give local epidemics which reproduced the observed cumulative number of deaths in GB or the US seen by 14th
March 2020.

In the (unlikely) absence of any control measures or spontaneous changes in individual behaviour, we would expect a peak in mortality (daily deaths) to occur after approximately 3 months (Figure 1A). In such scenarios, given an estimated R0 of 2.4, we predict 81% of the GB and US populations would be infected over the course of the epidemic. Epidemic timings are approximate given the limitations of surveillance data in both countries: The epidemic is predicted to be broader in the US than in GB and to peak slightly later. This is due to the larger geographic scale of the US, resulting in more distinct localised epidemics across states (Figure 1B) than seen across GB. The higher peak in mortality in GB 16 March is due to the smaller size of the country and its older population compared with the US. In total, in an unmitigated epidemic, we would predict approximately 510,000 deaths in GB and 2.2 million in the US, not accounting for the potential negative effects of health systems being overwhelmed on mortality.

For an uncontrolled epidemic, we predict critical care bed capacity would be exceeded as early as the second week in April, with an eventual peak in ICU or critical care bed demand that is over 30 times greater than the maximum supply in both countries.


Link to the full report:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

Educate yourselves, folks. I have been fighting this battle since mid-January - and I have 6 multiple family members at risk. I am too damn tired from fighting that battle with right wingers, until their fearless leader was informed of the projections from the Imperial College of London and finally gave them permission to treat it seriously.

I have less than no patience now that the same crap is popping up here in multiple threads
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COVID 19 is not "just" the flu - please educate yourselves (Original Post) Ms. Toad Mar 2020 OP
+1 jberryhill Mar 2020 #1
I got laughed out of my senior administratin meeting on Monday last week Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #2
Thanks for posting this. K&R crickets Mar 2020 #3
Is it just coincidence that incubation period and doubling time are about the same? Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2020 #4
They are related, but could easily be different. Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #5
Thanks! I knew there are lots of variables in this ... Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2020 #6

Ms. Toad

(34,076 posts)
2. I got laughed out of my senior administratin meeting on Monday last week
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 02:07 PM
Mar 2020

for suggesting that we needed to at least be proactive enough to post signs advising students (and faculty and administration) about disease prevention (social distancing, minimizing hand shakes, handwashing, avoiding large gatherings, etc.)

I was told:

It's less deadly than the flu
We shouldn't have to tell adults to wash their hands
We don't have the right holders to post signs yet

When I explained the risk to them and that I'd been tracking it since mid-January - , their response was (1) you're just worrried because you have a daughter at high risk, the rest of us are OK and (2) How do you know all of this stuff (in response to me countering every myth they threw at me).

Then on Tuesday classes were cancelled on 75 minutes' notice. on Monday this week, all non-essential personnel were ordered to work from home.



Ms. Toad

(34,076 posts)
5. They are related, but could easily be different.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 07:32 PM
Mar 2020

The R0 determines how many people each person is expected to infect. (So an R0 of 3.2 means each infected person will infect about 3.2 people).

The incubation period is the length of time from infection to displaing symptoms.

Part of the incubation period, the person is infectious (so they are starting to infect some of their 3.2 people)

So the doubling time is a relatively complex model based on how infectious a disease is, how long they are contatious (part of the incubation + part of the disease length), how well infected people are isolating themselves, etc.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,356 posts)
6. Thanks! I knew there are lots of variables in this ...
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 07:41 PM
Mar 2020

It just jumped out at me that incubation period and doubling time were nearly the same, and I thought maybe it was a rough rule of thumb for infectious diseases. That would leave out R0, though.

Dangit! There oughta be a law making things simple. And round pi off to 3.0, too.

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