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reflection

(6,286 posts)
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:27 PM Sep 2012

Ok, I'm taking one for the team here.

I'm listening to Hannity. He's got Rove on.

According to Rove, Obama will approach the debates as a candidate on the ropes, he'll be "throwing haymakers" and will come off "very angry" and "unpresidential." Romney just needs to defend his bold ideas and try to appear disappointed and empathetic to the failure that Obama that everyone knows and sympathizes with. The public feels sorry for Obama and that's the reason they're not ditching him.

I want Rove to roll me just one of whatever he's smoking. It would probably last me several weeks if I nursed it.

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Ok, I'm taking one for the team here. (Original Post) reflection Sep 2012 OP
Obama never comes off as angry. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2012 #1
Rove must be talking about "invisible" Obama deutsey Sep 2012 #31
POTUS has never come off as 'angry' or 'unpresidential' . . . fleur-de-lisa Sep 2012 #2
That's what Rove wishes will happen, but alas, just a dream. Avalux Sep 2012 #3
Is Rmoney debating Clint Eastwood's chair? liberalmuse Sep 2012 #4
He'd lose if he did. reflection Sep 2012 #5
lol. perfect. n/t TDale313 Sep 2012 #16
You saw how angry the chair got ThoughtCriminal Sep 2012 #20
Now I don't even have to watch. LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #6
Did he mean to say Romney? Lucy Goosey Sep 2012 #7
Talk about painting upside-down world frazzled Sep 2012 #8
Far more likely that Romney can be goaded into an outburst JHB Sep 2012 #25
Sympathy? from Romney? librechik Sep 2012 #9
..."try to appear disappointed and empathetic"... madamesilverspurs Sep 2012 #10
Honey, you gotta HAVE an idea before you can defend an idea. Rove's the one throwing haymakers. nolabear Sep 2012 #11
"The public feels sorry for Obama and that's the reason they're not ditching him." Curtland1015 Sep 2012 #12
Like my younger brother keeps telling me madokie Sep 2012 #15
A month or two even madokie Sep 2012 #13
These people are in another world ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #14
I thought Rove was speaking truth; I read that as "bald ideas", as in the bald faced lies they are. bluesbassman Sep 2012 #17
Hell, I'd just settle for an idea that remained in place for a day or two. reflection Sep 2012 #22
This is a new take on an old meme that still isn't going to work. Fawke Em Sep 2012 #18
once again rover uses his projecting of ones failures on to the opponent BS. Javaman Sep 2012 #19
Those are the rightwing marching orders for media spin. MerryBlooms Sep 2012 #21
"Tell a lie often enough, and it becomes the truth." Blecht Sep 2012 #23
If I told you where Rove pulls his smokes from... JHB Sep 2012 #24
And McCain will win New Jersey, and etc. alcibiades_mystery Sep 2012 #26
Isn't any wonder these people are so ignorant about politics.... WCGreen Sep 2012 #27
Obama Plays is Cool Xipe Totec Sep 2012 #28
Obama needs to be aggressive and if that means he gets angry applegrove Sep 2012 #29
If anyone is interested in seeing Rove, he's making the rounds. woodsprite Sep 2012 #30
I can't wait until Richey has to debate the -real- President Obama, not the one that Frank Luntz jillan Sep 2012 #32
This reminded me of Key & Peele - HappyMe Sep 2012 #33
First time I've seen that. reflection Sep 2012 #34

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
1. Obama never comes off as angry.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:30 PM
Sep 2012

That's one of his strongest characteristics. In 2008, when debating McCain, he never once lost his cool, while McCain often got irritable and snarly. I would expect Mittens to get testy, too, when challenged because that's what he does.

Rove is good at projection, but Obama will make a fool of him again.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
31. Rove must be talking about "invisible" Obama
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:48 AM
Sep 2012

the one who told Eastwood to tell Romney to go fuck himself.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
6. Now I don't even have to watch.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:34 PM
Sep 2012

Obama will say something critical, like, "Willard, you have a piece of lettuce stuck between your teeth." And Romney will say, "There's no need for you to be so angry about it."

And the pundits will agree that President Obama was very very angry and was unjustified pummeling poor Mitt. Yup. They have the framing almost finished.

Lucy Goosey

(2,940 posts)
7. Did he mean to say Romney?
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:34 PM
Sep 2012

Seriously, this statement only makes sense if you substitute "Romney" for "Obama":

Obama will approach the debates as a candidate on the ropes, he'll be "throwing haymakers" and will come off "very angry" and "unpresidential."


Rove knows it, too. He's just flat out lying. Shocking, no?

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
8. Talk about painting upside-down world
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:36 PM
Sep 2012

Obama is not the candidate who is "on the ropes" coming into these debates. Romney is.
Obama is not the candidate who comes off "angry" and "unpresidential" when asked questions. Romney is.

Does the public feel sorry for Obama? I don't know. But I know there are very few who feel sorry for Mitt Romney!

Oh, this is just such typical Rove tactics. It's like trying to use negative psychology on your children, though: after the age of 4, they get wise to it.

JHB

(37,159 posts)
25. Far more likely that Romney can be goaded into an outburst
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 05:13 PM
Sep 2012

But Karl is sermonizing to the faithful, so that they know the proper doctrine when the time comes.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
9. Sympathy? from Romney?
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:38 PM
Sep 2012

won't that defy his programming and force a system wide shutdown? They haven't installed his e-chip yet.

madamesilverspurs

(15,801 posts)
10. ..."try to appear disappointed and empathetic"...
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:38 PM
Sep 2012

Ye gods, Mitt is always trying to appear real, and he fails miserably. Rove is essentially admitting that Romney is a lousy actor with a poor script. Yikes.


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nolabear

(41,960 posts)
11. Honey, you gotta HAVE an idea before you can defend an idea. Rove's the one throwing haymakers.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:39 PM
Sep 2012

And frankly, they aren't making that much hay.

Curtland1015

(4,404 posts)
12. "The public feels sorry for Obama and that's the reason they're not ditching him."
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:40 PM
Sep 2012

Yeah, the American voting public certainly has a tradition of doing things like that...

madokie

(51,076 posts)
13. A month or two even
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:40 PM
Sep 2012

You can't make this shit up. Someone ought to make a documentary of this election cycle as it would be nearly impossible to believe except we're living it today.
It. has. been. surreal.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
14. These people are in another world
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:40 PM
Sep 2012

What a FOX Snooze viewers going to do when they realize Obama won? They will scream it was rigged.

bluesbassman

(19,372 posts)
17. I thought Rove was speaking truth; I read that as "bald ideas", as in the bald faced lies they are.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:45 PM
Sep 2012

On re-read I realized he said "bold" ideas. The only way Romney's ideas are bold is when they're written with a giant Magic Marker!

reflection

(6,286 posts)
22. Hell, I'd just settle for an idea that remained in place for a day or two.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 05:06 PM
Sep 2012

Mitt's got more positions than the Kama Sutra, and none of them are nearly as interesting.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
18. This is a new take on an old meme that still isn't going to work.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:45 PM
Sep 2012

I heard from some talking head yesterday that "both the president and Romney have shown that they let things get under their skins and that's something that works against both of them."



I've never once seen Obama act like in a debate. Can he be abrupt? Sure, when he knows he's right, but acting angry? Never. Not even when that twit yelled, "You lie!" during a SOTU.

This "angry black man" shit needs to stop because it doesn't work.

Javaman

(62,521 posts)
19. once again rover uses his projecting of ones failures on to the opponent BS.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 04:53 PM
Sep 2012

After almost 12 years does anyone really believe anything rover says?

MerryBlooms

(11,769 posts)
21. Those are the rightwing marching orders for media spin.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 05:02 PM
Sep 2012

Every mainstream news outlet will now have at least one show/contributor spin the debates as the 'angry black guy', daily. Disgusting, the whole lot of them.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
23. "Tell a lie often enough, and it becomes the truth."
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 05:09 PM
Sep 2012

Yet another example of Rove making Godwin's law obsolete.

JHB

(37,159 posts)
24. If I told you where Rove pulls his smokes from...
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 05:11 PM
Sep 2012

...I think you'd take a pass on his particular blend of... blossom.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
26. And McCain will win New Jersey, and etc.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 05:16 PM
Sep 2012

Rove is delusional. They've been connecting Obama to the word "angry" for four years, trying to make people believe that Obama is &quot black and) angry." It hasn't worked. Only real fanatical right wing extremists believe Obama is "angry." It's ludicrous, and contrary to almost everybody's ordinary experience of the guy.

Rove's a dunce.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
27. Isn't any wonder these people are so ignorant about politics....
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 05:17 PM
Sep 2012

It's because their "guru's" treat them like idiots.

applegrove

(118,639 posts)
29. Obama needs to be aggressive and if that means he gets angry
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 08:55 PM
Sep 2012

at the GOP policies, so be it. Rove just doesn't want Obama to be aggressive.

woodsprite

(11,913 posts)
30. If anyone is interested in seeing Rove, he's making the rounds.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:46 AM
Sep 2012

He'll be in Delaware with Robert Gibbs in a "Point/Counterpoint" talk on November 1st at the Bob Carpenter Center. It says it's free, but tickets are required, and that more details will be announced later. I guess that's so they don't have seating issues.

I'm just not sure if I want to subject myself to that. I'd rather go to the "Election aftermath" one they're having on Nov 14th. It's with Schmidt and Plouffe.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
32. I can't wait until Richey has to debate the -real- President Obama, not the one that Frank Luntz
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:49 AM
Sep 2012

created.




Thanks for taking one for the team!!

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