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Jane Austin

(9,199 posts)
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 07:40 AM Mar 2020

I am wondering something about the need for hospital beds.

Why couldn't crowded hospitals and health centers use vinyl or leather recliners for ICU patients instead of beds.

An awful lot of people with lung issues sleep in them at home and many are quite comfortable - certainly more comfortable than hospital beds.

There are dozens of them in every furniture store in every town in American right now.

It strikes me that the biggest drawback would be that the patient would be too low for the doctors and nurses to treat them without hurting their own backs.

My solution for that would be to build simple raised platforms 8 to 10 inches high to set the recliners on.

Then all the home seamstresses could get busy and sew "covers" for these so they can be as fresh as possible.

Recliners are already in use at infusion centers and in recovery rooms at oral surgeons - or at least at my oral surgeon's.

I realize there is much more to an ICU station than the bed, but perhaps using existing recliners for the patients would be a start.

If I am missing something obvious, please enlighten me.

A nice Lane or Lazy-Boy recliner seems a lot more comfortable and useful than some of the beds they are using in Italy and other hard-hit areas.

What do you think?

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I am wondering something about the need for hospital beds. (Original Post) Jane Austin Mar 2020 OP
Am no doctor, but that sounds good to me DonaldsRump Mar 2020 #1
I know sitting up with asthma is easier janterry Mar 2020 #2
Hospital beds means not just the bed, TexasProgresive Mar 2020 #3
Yes, I pointed out that that's not all there is to a patient station, but Jane Austin Mar 2020 #4
Hospital beds need to be able to MOVE Blue_Adept Mar 2020 #5
So, put 'em on casters and make one side of the platform a ramp. Jane Austin Mar 2020 #6
It would work to a degree mercuryblues Mar 2020 #7
Can't do proper CPR or intubation ismnotwasm Mar 2020 #8
The beds are motorized and can raise their occupant Amishman Mar 2020 #9
Well, nevermind. Jane Austin Mar 2020 #10
When my shoulder was broken, I slept in one for months. cwydro Mar 2020 #11
Right. Jane Austin Mar 2020 #12
Intubation requires changing the position of a patient in ways a chair wouldn't work to do. herding cats Mar 2020 #13
The bed itself is likely the least concern Flaleftist Mar 2020 #14

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
1. Am no doctor, but that sounds good to me
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 07:44 AM
Mar 2020

Plenty of that stuff around and more can be made. I like the creativity

Something else that occurred to me as I was doing some yardwork involving tarps: why can't tarps be made into PPE? I would think they would be ideal if cut properly and I guess they could be re-used.

It's so sad that we are considering these creative solutions, but desperate times....

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
2. I know sitting up with asthma is easier
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 07:45 AM
Mar 2020

on my lungs. So, I wondered about that, as well. From my non-medical (but asthmatic) perspective

this seems like a good idea.

Jane Austin

(9,199 posts)
6. So, put 'em on casters and make one side of the platform a ramp.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:36 AM
Mar 2020

Wouldn't that work?

I don't think this is a perfect solution, but it beats the hell out of stacking people in the hallways.

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
7. It would work to a degree
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 09:08 AM
Mar 2020

But if a patient codes, hospital beds go flat, chairs don't. The bed height can be adjusted to accommodate for height of the patient or care givers. You can also raise the feet and lower the head, quickly for various medical reasons. In a bed the patient can be turned every few hours to lower the risk of bedsores, not so much in a chair.

If a patient needs to be moved to a different unit for emergency reasons, wheels come in handy. But also all the built in options on a bed. IE: you can attach IV's, oxygen and other support devises to the bed and move it as 1 unit instead of having someone push that along separately, trying to keep up. Say you have a patient /w 3 IV pumps and oxygen, you would need at least 4 people to move the patient. With a bed all that can be attached to the bed and only 1 or 2 people to transport, depending on the circumstances.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
9. The beds are motorized and can raise their occupant
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 09:57 AM
Mar 2020

I had a friend in the ICU a few years back with pneumonia, the bed adjusted to keep her upper body partially elevated.

They are way ahead of you

Jane Austin

(9,199 posts)
10. Well, nevermind.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 10:52 AM
Mar 2020

Obviously I was suggesting a stopgap solution for desperate hospitals, which I thought they were, or were about to be.

I hope no one thought I was trying to suggest a perfect solution.

From what I'm seeing on tv, they are getting desperate, and probably the most desperately ill would not be put in chairs! And I can't imagine they would put the most critically ill in a tent somewhere with makeshift equipment.

And whoever said they were way ahead of me -

Really? And me just sitting at my breakfast table down here in Texas, and I was sure I knew more than medical designers, and doctors and nurses.

Who do think I think I am? Donald Trump?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
11. When my shoulder was broken, I slept in one for months.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:53 AM
Mar 2020

I would agree with your suggestion in a heartbeat!

I can’t stand being flat on my back in a bed even without a broken shoulder lol. Always have pillows.

Jane Austin

(9,199 posts)
12. Right.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:31 PM
Mar 2020

I know mine, is incredibly comfortable.

I'm pretty sure it was less than $500, and it's either leather or a close approximation.

I bought it for my mother back when Macy's was Foley's.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
13. Intubation requires changing the position of a patient in ways a chair wouldn't work to do.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:40 PM
Mar 2020

Actual beds are the least of the concern so much as space to put the patients in right now.

A hallway linked with gurneys is more mobile than one lined with recliners. But, it was a nice thought.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
14. The bed itself is likely the least concern
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 11:49 PM
Mar 2020

It is the equipment and the staff that is going to be a problem.

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