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bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 12:20 PM Mar 2020

When will the coronavirus pandemic end? What scientists can say about life returning to normal

When will the coronavirus pandemic end? What scientists can say about life returning to normal
Scientists are watching for signs of progress in the pandemic
By Naomi Martin Boston Globe Staff,Updated March 21, 2020, 2:09 p.m.

... What milestones will experts use to measure gains, however incremental, and to ever-so-warily hypothesize when we might return to some semblance of normalcy?... The first sign that the tide has started to turn, scientists say, will be a decline in new cases over several consecutive weeks, even as testing expands... New coronavirus-related hospitalizations should fall a week or two after the number of new cases declines, in light of the time it takes for the disease to progress.

... to reduce deaths by at least hundreds of thousands, top infectious disease specialists at Imperial College London recently projected that the United States should expect to have rolling periods of social distancing and school closures through late 2021. In each period, the measures would last about two months, relax for one month, then resume for two more. The specialists suggested using the number of coronavirus patients in intensive-care unit beds, based on the country’s peak intensive care unit capacity, as a trigger for restarting the restrictions.

For example, the Imperial College model projected that 510,000 people would die in two years in Great Britain without action. But the death toll would fall to 39,000 if the social distancing measures restarted every time the patient count in ICUs hit 400, or could shrink to 8,700 deaths if the trigger were 60 ICU patients.

Much more here

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/21/nation/when-will-coronavirus-pandemic-end-what-scientists-can-say-about-life-returning-normal/

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When will the coronavirus pandemic end? What scientists can say about life returning to normal (Original Post) bronxiteforever Mar 2020 OP
And will politicians be willing to let go of their emergency powers? 47of74 Mar 2020 #1
I have been horrified & fascinated by the scientific ignorance bronxiteforever Mar 2020 #5
Middle of third quarter uponit7771 Mar 2020 #2
This makes sense, but some businesses and industries can't afford this BusyBeingBest Mar 2020 #3
Lots of PEOPLE will go under permanently durablend Mar 2020 #4
Then you better come up with a number of how many bronxiteforever Mar 2020 #6
 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
1. And will politicians be willing to let go of their emergency powers?
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 12:27 PM
Mar 2020

Far as I'm concerned we need to hold the feet of Republicans and even Democrats in the fire so they don't get any ideas about open ended emergency powers that are still going long after the COVID-19 itself is long gone.

I also get the impression that people can willingly do everything they need to and much more with social distancing and staying at home and it will never be good enough for some people. You could get out of bed to go to the bathroom to drop a deuce and people would complain that you moved in your own home.

People may not like my attitude but I'll be five days dead before I trust any politician around emergency powers. After what happened in Germany in the 1930s we have got to be very hard assed about these sorts of things no the fuck matter what.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
5. I have been horrified & fascinated by the scientific ignorance
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 12:55 PM
Mar 2020

of the public. How little we collectively understand about how hospitals operate.

It really does all come down to the number of ICU beds. If the beds are filled with covid19 patients, then the fall down the stairs, the inevitable accidental gunshot, farm accident, auto accident and the vagaries of life become Malthusian mathematics. For example, do you unplug someone already on a vent to save the young mother who needs to go on the vent if you have run out machines? It won’t be politicians who have to make the hard choices, it will be doctors and, in this country, insurance companies.

The infected wound on your hand killed less than a century ago. It’s amazing how little Americans value even a rudimentary scientific education. Ah well, lessons will be learned.

As to your point about power, Carl Sagan, a brilliant American Scientist wrote:
“Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

BusyBeingBest

(8,054 posts)
3. This makes sense, but some businesses and industries can't afford this
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 12:34 PM
Mar 2020

level of stop-start uncertainty. If it goes on for some time, lots of businesses will go under permanently.

durablend

(7,460 posts)
4. Lots of PEOPLE will go under permanently
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 12:55 PM
Mar 2020

There's no way people are going to survive without incomes for a year and a half.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
6. Then you better come up with a number of how many
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 01:01 PM
Mar 2020

deaths you can stomach. It is a Hobson’s choice.
Let’s say you get rid of social distancing and open businesses- that still doesn’t answer the ICU/ventilator problem. Don’t forget there are a million issues that come with that problem. If your covid19 patients take up the beds, where do you put car accidents, heart attacks, stroke victims or general accident victims.

Decisions decisions.

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