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underpants

(182,829 posts)
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 05:50 PM Mar 2020

CNN's Jake Tapper folds to RW pressure. Trump didn't call the virus a hoax is a real thing now.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnns-jake-tapper-under-fire-after-admitting-he-didnt-fact-check-aoc-on-trump-coronavirus-claim

CNN's Jake Tapper under fire after admitting he didn't fact-check AOC on Trump-coronavirus claim

During an interview on "State of the Union," Ocasio-Cortez was sounding the alarm on her city and state's shortage of medical supplies but then quickly took a swipe at the Trump administration for its evolving rhetoric as the outbreak was spreading.

"We're hearing every step from this administration- first, we were hearing it was a hoax, then we were hearing that everything is fine, then we were hearing that the fundamentals of the economy was OK – until the crash comes," Ocasio-Cortez told Tapper.

Tapper responded, acknowledging what Ocasio-Cortez said wasn't factually accurate.

"I thought about it, because the president did not call the virus a hoax," Tapper tweeted. "But I didn’t because he *did* call a hoax the concerns of those saying that the response from the president was insufficient and that he was downplaying the gravity of the crisis. And that too was a lie."

He continued, "I guess that’s the problem with a politician who lies so often; while I agree that Democrats are mischaracterizing what he said, what he did say was also false so it’s tough to justify taking the time for a fact check when it’s not taking a stand defining the truth."
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CNN's Jake Tapper folds to RW pressure. Trump didn't call the virus a hoax is a real thing now. (Original Post) underpants Mar 2020 OP
Find another source Blecht Mar 2020 #1
To illustrate his point? I got no problem with it. marble falls Mar 2020 #35
Tapes and videos are proof . . . Iliyah Mar 2020 #2
"For a month or so, RWers were saying that coronavirus was a hoax." LenaBaby61 Mar 2020 #7
DT comments boil down to "alarm about the virus is a hoax" (he wasn't saying virus itself is a hoax) pat_k Mar 2020 #8
That's the point though- that the seriousness of the virus was quite real. And he called THAT coti Mar 2020 #9
Don't think he was standing up for trump with those comments. Hoyt Mar 2020 #3
No, he just corrected the record from "virus is a hoax" to "alarm about the virus is a hoax" pat_k Mar 2020 #4
Uh, no. NanceGreggs Mar 2020 #5
Push back on them whenever they do this (and on anyone who cows to it) JHB Mar 2020 #6
Excellent. Thanks. underpants Mar 2020 #10
I really don't think he called the actual virus a hoax. JohnnyRingo Mar 2020 #11
I would argue otherwise ... mr_lebowski Mar 2020 #16
Then he later compared the coronavirus to the flu wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #27
Trump famously misuses the word hoax. JohnnyRingo Mar 2020 #29
My point was the idea that he was in any way CLEAR at the time ... mr_lebowski Mar 2020 #30
Why are you posting fox news crap? rockfordfile Mar 2020 #12
I went over there looking for their spin of the day underpants Mar 2020 #15
Why are you condeming an article from Fox that demontstrates what the OP is about ... marble falls Mar 2020 #36
Jake Tapper ... LenaBaby61 Mar 2020 #13
Really? Need to share a fucking Fox News link? TeamPooka Mar 2020 #14
No shit! Blecht Mar 2020 #19
The short rebuttal gratuitous Mar 2020 #17
Tapper has always been a RW hack Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #18
It's semantics budkin Mar 2020 #20
I got a two bit word to swap for your four bit word Nature Man Mar 2020 #22
I know what he said, and what he meant budkin Mar 2020 #23
I agree Nature Man Mar 2020 #25
"... this is their new hoax" is exactly what he said after talking about the CV uponit7771 Mar 2020 #21
He called the dem criticism of his ... Whiskeytide Mar 2020 #24
The spin is that everything the democrats were doing or saying was a hoax meant to take Trump down. brewens Mar 2020 #26
At his last clan rally he said it was hoax just a few days ago. nt doc03 Mar 2020 #28
He hasn't had any rallies since March 2 onenote Mar 2020 #31
Trump and other Trumpsters like Hannity, Carlson and Pirro have been saying doc03 Mar 2020 #32
He called it a 'DEMOCRAT HOAX' nothing less. spanone Mar 2020 #33
Well, as a Retrumplican, the media ALWAYS holds them to account via a curve maxrandb Mar 2020 #34

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
2. Tapes and videos are proof . . .
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 05:52 PM
Mar 2020

For a month or so, RWers were saying that coronavirus was a hoax, actually a Democratic hoax.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
8. DT comments boil down to "alarm about the virus is a hoax" (he wasn't saying virus itself is a hoax)
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 05:59 PM
Mar 2020

I don't know if other right-wingnuts claimed the virus is a hoax, but Tapper is just pointing out that DT's comments weren't "virus is a hoax" but rather "all this alarm about the virus is a hoax," which in my book is just as bad.

coti

(4,612 posts)
9. That's the point though- that the seriousness of the virus was quite real. And he called THAT
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 06:04 PM
Mar 2020

a hoax.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
4. No, he just corrected the record from "virus is a hoax" to "alarm about the virus is a hoax"
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 05:56 PM
Mar 2020

Above is a paraphrase. I don't have direct quotes that fall into the category "the degree of alarm and intensity of warnings are a hoax... everything will be fine.... nothing to see here..."

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
5. Uh, no.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 05:57 PM
Mar 2020

Trump did call the virus a "hoax", and compared it to the "Russia hoax" and the "impeachment hoax".

The next day, the WH clean-up crew came out to explain "what the pResident meant" was that the way the Dems were characterizing his inaction was the "hoax", not the virus itself.



JHB

(37,160 posts)
6. Push back on them whenever they do this (and on anyone who cows to it)
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 05:57 PM
Mar 2020

This is based on a hair-thin distinction that Republicans never, EVER make when the shoe is on their foot.

From a post of mine related to this in another thread:

The pushback is that Trump didn't call the virus a hoax, he called the calls for him to take action "the Democrats' new hoax" and brushed off such calls as "politicizing" and "hysteria" from the "fake news media".

And, removed from context, it's technically true that he didn't call the virus itself a hoax.

That rally was on Feb. 28. Over the next few days various fact check sites rated the characterization as "false" or "mixed"


Mar. 2: Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/
Mar. 3, FactCheck.org: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trump-and-the-new-hoax/

But there's no separating it from context: Trump has called the Mueller investigation a hoax. At this very same rally he called impeachment a hoax (attributing the comment to an unnamed spontaneously-fawning underling, as he is wont to do).

Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. You know that, right? Coronavirus. They’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa, they can’t even count. No they can’t. They can’t count their votes.

One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia. That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything, they tried it over and over, they’ve been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning, they lost, it’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax. But you know, we did something that’s been pretty amazing. We’re 15 people [cases of coronavirus infection] in this massive country. And because of the fact that we went early, we went early, we could have had a lot more than that.


"Hoax", translated from Trumpspeak, means: Thing that is as true as sunrise but I desperately want to portray as a baseless attack.

Please note, the people who will fight tooth and nail over the fine distinction over what Trump called a hoax will be the same people who were all outraged at "You didn't build that" when it was clearly referring to publicly-built infrastructure. No, they separated it from context, brewed it up and triple distilled it, hooked it up to their outrage taps, and binge-drank.

Old Soviet propagandists could only wish for an audience so easily malleable. Small wonder how Vlad played them so easily.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213149208#post23

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
11. I really don't think he called the actual virus a hoax.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 06:12 PM
Mar 2020

I remember when he went off on it and his focus seemed to be on democrats making a big deal about it, not on whether there was an out of control virus in China.

At the time, Trump was downplaying the whole thing like it'll blow over when April showers bring May flowers so it had the same effect as if he ignored it. What he really said doesn't make him look good.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
16. I would argue otherwise ...
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 06:48 PM
Mar 2020
"One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia. That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything, they tried it over and over, they’ve been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning, they lost, it’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax."


The 'clarifications' about 'what he meant' came ex post facto.
 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
27. Then he later compared the coronavirus to the flu
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:41 PM
Mar 2020

tapper needs to apologize for falling for hair-splitting fabulists

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
29. Trump famously misuses the word hoax.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:09 AM
Mar 2020

Often he means conspiracy as in the "Deep State" Mueller investigation or a vendetta like "Pelosi's impeachment".

I believe in this case the 'hoax" meant the Democrats where making a big deal about something that wasn't even going to affect us just so we could ruin the economy in an election year. I guess that may mean he also thought Covid-19 itself was a hoax, but I don't think that angered him as much as Dems calling him incompetent.

I don't think either interpretation makes Trump look stalwart and presidential.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
30. My point was the idea that he was in any way CLEAR at the time ...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:27 AM
Mar 2020

That he was calling it a hoax in the sense that the later 'clarifications' described ... is bogus.

It could've rightly been interpreted either way when he originally said it.

Hence the clarifications.

underpants

(182,829 posts)
15. I went over there looking for their spin of the day
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 06:14 PM
Mar 2020

Because I'm sure Trump will throw it in to the presser.

marble falls

(57,104 posts)
36. Why are you condeming an article from Fox that demontstrates what the OP is about ...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 12:55 PM
Mar 2020

its pretty hard to accuse someone of lying if you can't repeat the lie!

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
13. Jake Tapper ...
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 06:13 PM
Mar 2020

Tapped out to tRump.

"I thought about it, because the president did not call the virus a hoax," Tapper tweeted. "But I didn’t because he *did* call a hoax the concerns of those saying that the response from the president was insufficient and that he was downplaying the gravity of the crisis.



And so did Snopes:

Mixture

About this rating

What's True

During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

What's False

Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/



TeamPooka

(24,229 posts)
14. Really? Need to share a fucking Fox News link?
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 06:13 PM
Mar 2020

Really? Need to share a fucking Fox News link?The fuck is the matter with people here

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. The short rebuttal
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:08 PM
Mar 2020

What do Trump's supporters say about Covid 19? If someone is still saying it's all a big hoax, take a wild guess what his political views are. They got the message loud and clear, the very message Trump was transmitting, that it's all a hoax. They didn't all come to that conclusion by coincidence or accident.

Nature Man

(869 posts)
22. I got a two bit word to swap for your four bit word
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:18 PM
Mar 2020

swap "semantics" with "bullshit." The asshole motherfucker said what he said and the message was as clear as an unmuddied stream.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
24. He called the dem criticism of his ...
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:31 PM
Mar 2020

... admin a hoax. He never called the virus a hoax. He downplayed it. He failed to raise an alarm about it. He failed to pull the levers of government in response. And his cult followers called the virus a hoax. But he didn’t. Tapper’s an ass most of the time. But he’s right on this.

brewens

(13,595 posts)
26. The spin is that everything the democrats were doing or saying was a hoax meant to take Trump down.
Sun Mar 22, 2020, 08:35 PM
Mar 2020

But what specifically was Trump referring to? Everything I was aware of were warnings on how bad it might get and relevant question on the response. Any example they give will be shown to be something we are seeing now, or problems that have not been addressed. Or if they were, too little too late.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
31. He hasn't had any rallies since March 2
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:08 AM
Mar 2020

and the rally at which he made the hoax comment was several days earlier than that.

Let's no make up shit.The reality is bad enough.

doc03

(35,346 posts)
32. Trump and other Trumpsters like Hannity, Carlson and Pirro have been saying
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:07 AM
Mar 2020

it is a Democratic hoax and fake news for probably 2 months or more. I also heard Republicans saying that the Democrats couldn't
remove him from office and now they created this hoax because they know they can't beat him. They have even went as far as saying
the impeachment hearings prevented Trump from acting. If it is like you say even earlier than March 2 that is even worse. Why didn't he
use the extra time to get us prepared? He is still going on TV with his dog and pony show every day and telling lies.

maxrandb

(15,334 posts)
34. Well, as a Retrumplican, the media ALWAYS holds them to account via a curve
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 11:39 AM
Mar 2020

They are ALWAYS looking for a way to report stuff Retrumplicans say without being accused of bias.

Call it the "Bias Curve" if you like, but if I could have been graded on this curve, I'd be Chief of Thoracic Surgery at John's Hopkins today.

The media's first thought on ANY story is not the truth or the facts...the FIRST thought is "how can I possibly report this without being accused of bias"!

The Retrumplican War on the press has been highly effective.

This Tapper incident is their payoff.

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