to go to the ER.

is to go to Emergency Rooms because ER rooms cannot turn them away.

But people can feel terrible with aches, pains, diarrhea, breathing issues, and other problems without having a fever high enough for doctors to test them for Covid-19. That's unfortunate because many actual Covid19 cases don't have a fever.

He says 44 % of people showing up in the hospitals with cough and congestion have fever, not that only 44% of covid patients have fever.

Allergist–immunologist Grayson also noted one particularly concerning observation in updated CDC guidance about presenting signs and symptoms of COVID-19 is that not all patients are febrile.

But when he says 44% show up without fever, he is talking about everybody who shows up.

might be overlooked because many of them don't have fevers.

will go on to spread the virus.

The scary thing about COVID-19 is in the word "novel". So much is unknown. The fact that we have a clown leading the effort to better understand it also is scary.

such as if you get it you will have immunity. We don't know this for sure, or how the virus mutates. Remember the common flu requires a new vaccine every year because it changes, and any prior immunity is null and void.

What he says there he doesn't know if people who show up, 44% of whom have fever, could have covid or could have allergies. That's why he says "I have no idea" what they have.

""What's scaring me is that only 44% are presenting to the hospital with fever. Cough, congestion, and rhinorrhea could be allergies — or it could also be COVID-19. I have no idea, and now they're standing in front of my nurses coughing in their faces — great," he told Medscape Medical News. "
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/927264?fbclid=IwAR3nL8BkEe2kKA00nG2_jwA6QpaCuk8BbHaEW4fGdppg1J0Lle-5S2lzqJA#vp_2

But then, I read somewhere else that it was 40+% that are afebrile so this makes sense. I have been screaming from the rooftops that checking a temp is not enough. We need to be testing nearly everyone. Like they did in S. Korea.

As in, if you are asymptomatic, or your symptoms are mild or moderate enough to be manageable at home would you still be considered to have the actual disease (Covid-19)? This is where I get really confused.

As in the way the rubella virus causes the disease measles. I also understand that there are lots of coronaviruses that are just not as virulent so you can come down with one that has no connection to Covid-19. It makes the head spin.

I guess it all boils down to vulnerabilities in the individual's immune system. Fortunately, up to this point in my life, mine has been pretty healthy. Hope that holds true.

Covid-19 is the official name of this virus. Some people have immunity to the others so they are not considered novel anymore.

That whole 'novel' label was kind of confusing, to me, but then I've never had to deal with stuff like this. Heck, I've never even had the flu.

Thanks, again!

Like SARS. And now SARS-Covid-19. And even the one we have now has already mutated into 2 strains: the L and S strains.

I've never even had the plain old seasonal flu.

The common cold is also part of the coronavirus family.

One causes a fever, the other doesn't.

When the Swine Flu struck the USA in 2009, what made corralling it so difficult was that the strain that stuck was novel, and had taken genetic material from two strains of Swine Flu, yet didn't respond to therapy the same way either of it's predecessors did.

I easy see COVID-19 getting into 30-40 million people easily. If the current 1.4% fatality rate holds, that works out to 420,000-560,000 dead people. I just don't see Trump displaying leadership competence, nor do I expect him to.

My sinuses went berserk and I had this awful dry cough for about 3 weeks. Sinus drainage like crazy. It was weird cuz I don’t normally have allergy issues in January.

I wish I could get an antibody test. If I am positive I have resolved it and my plasma could be useful others.

The numbers of positive tests are going to go way UP because it’s been here longer than we think.

wasn't identified till January 21st.

No fever, no fatigue, no aches and pains, no breathing problems. Just a scratchy throat for a few hours then abundantly flowing sinuses and a mild cough that seemed to go on and on. I still have a little bit of an occasional cough and sneezing but I think the sneezing has more to do with allergies.

I wonder if future blood screens will include something to see if people have the antibody.

All I can do is take every precaution I can, now, to avoid this virus. My county has just recently started to get tests back. We're up to 14 identified cases. When it was at 7, at least 4 of those cases were able to self quarantine at home. The reporting has pretty much given up on including such details, now.

strains. I think that it has been reported that China did not see the mortality level difference between males and females that our country and Europe are seeing. Could we be dealing with one or two mutants of the virus?

I have been blaming it on allergies, but I can't be sure.

I had a terrible cold with a violent cough from the end of Thanksgiving through New Year's. It kind of subsided, but hasn't really gone away completely. Mostly sinus congestion and some residual coughing which I have attributed to post-nasal drip, but some days it is pretty bad.

Still, I have not had a fever or any body aches. However I have had some intestinal distress off and on. I did go through something like this about 15 years ago when I lived in NYC, where I just seemed to have this cold that lingered all winter long. I finally went to a specialist who told me my lungs were clear and suggested that I do nasal irrigation for a number of days, and it worked. I think I might need to do that again, as much as I hated it.

I don't have a problem now. I have always had a dry cough, with something seemingly stuck in my throat, flum that won't clear, I inherited that from my Mom. When things seemed to have gotten worse, I drank a concoction that I call "nasty water", thinking that I would call my Doctor's office in the AM. When I awoke the problem was better and hasn't come back. I continue to drink nasty water at least once on most days since, beats whatever I was getting.

the inherited problem that I have clearing flum from my throat during dry and pollen heavy periods.

It is 12 ounces of boiling purified water or distilled water (I guess you can use tap, I never do), 1 tablespoon of raw honey, 1 teaspoon of sugar, 1 teaspoon of cinnamon, 1/2 teaspoon of ground nutmeg, 1/2 teaspoon of ground cloves. The aroma is nice, the taste is tolerable, but given what it does for me, I will take the taste any day.

I may have to try that!

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I developed a headache and was lethargic, two things which seldom happen to me.Because December-January weather seemed warmer for me and I didn't develop the throat issue for a while, I stopped making the concoction, until I got the headache and actually went to bed at 8pm one day, because I was not feeling chipper.

These are scary times when one is feeling unwell. Take care!

Yes, truly scary times.

Sore throat, but no fever. A co-worker had the same and had just traveled.

I caught it too now, and I DO have a low grade fever, no fatigue though, and no sore throat.

It has been hanging around for almost two weeks. Is it COVID-19? I'll never know unless an ELISA test comes out.

Lasted four weeks and I got it in January. I had intermittent chills too.
I swear I had this.

And 88% of everybody who got the virus would have a fever

simply because they're screening people out of hospitals if they don''t have high fevers.

But that doesn't mean 88% of people with the virus have fevers.

In late January and when I went to a clinic in early February they were already scared and wearing masks. I had a low fever at some point briefly. They decided it was not covid 19 and I took two courses antibiotics for what was then definitely a bad sinus infection. I was also coughing etc. it started with a terrible runny nose, aches etc which went away after a day but which kept coming back. Now I started with first stomach upset and now a consistent cough and what seems like bronchitis yesterday. I have had a low fever briefly on and off. Still no test but my doc did bw friday and wbc is ok so he thinks it is not covid 19. I started taking lysine yesterday, resting a lot and I feel a bit better. My county has 1034 known cases now. I would like an antibody test as well.

I thought it was the weirdest cold ever. Weak, not a whole lot of head congestion, breathing a bit labored, but no fever.

This is weird, I thought... maybe the flu, instead? But, no, I don't have a fever. What gives.

I know a couple of other people with the same symptoms.

by her airline to tell her she'd been exposed to the virus. When she called her public health dept. they wouldn't test her because her fever wasn't HIGH ENOUGH.

Sneezing, sinus headaches, runny nose, etc.

I didn’t go out until it was almost gone since I am retired, now mild symptoms but just when i do dog walks from being near trees, etc

I guess I figured if it was more I would get fever, major aches and breathing problems.

So that might mean it's probably allergies.

One researcher thought there were as many as 1,500 strains of COVID-19.

If this is true, that would explain why there are so many different symptoms when it presents.

Thinking it was a fluke, then came down with it. We check temperature , oxygen, heart rate with a finger clip on, blood pressure, and monitor it closely with the wife. We know if it gets really bad where we live we could be not able to get the help we need if the hospitals are over ridden and unable to provide anything to help.

...my wife and I had a bad cold in Feb. No fever, but all the other symptoms.

The doc said he couldn't not always tell what was allergy or cold or flu, and he could not get a covid-19 test at that time.

The answer to this mess is rapid and available testing (like South Korea did effectively).

Right now, we go out for groceries or medicine, but much of Florida is business as usual.

Our schools are shut down, so we are teaching on line from home.