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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy does the stock market and wall st seem to do well when there is news of mass layoffs?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142456598 (record 3.3 million Americans filed for unemployment)https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142456989 (Stocks roar, with Dow spiking 1,300 points)
These stories were posted on the same day.
texasleo
(11,298 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)If a company is minimizing costs it is trying to maximize a potential profit.
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)tirebiter
(2,538 posts)And less inflation.
dlk
(11,574 posts)This emotional component can be completely untethered from the facts.
Wounded Bear
(58,685 posts)Afromania
(2,770 posts)Amishman
(5,559 posts)Look up Greenspan's 'Irrational Exuberance' anecdote from prior to the dotcom bust. He was right.
Day traders and algorithmic trading are also big factors right now. Watch the hard dips or spikes at the end of each session right now as they unwind their short term positions.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)The Wizard
(12,546 posts)to the wealthy elites and major corporations . The in turn used the windfall to buy back stock thus increasing demand and inflating stock prices and by extension, the DJI. Their stock portfolios all are artificially inflated. The #covid45 pandemic adjusted the DJI. Trumpty Dumpty and the market are due for a great fall, and I don't mean Autumn.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)However, more importantly the deflation commodities [gold/silver/oil] are saying be very aware of whats ahead].
DrToast
(6,414 posts)What happened in the days prior to the unemployment claims being announced?
orwell
(7,775 posts)...the markets were oversold, an over 30% drop in a few weeks. We are now experiencing a return to the mean. The trend at this point is still down.
The stock markets are looking at the financial landscape 6 to 18 months ahead. With some of the newer information regarding possible clinical treatments and vaccines, this is less murky than it was a week ago. This will not help people and medical systems in horrible stress now, but may ameliorate some suffering 6 to 8 weeks down the road.
While labor costs are the main cost of most companies, nobody long term benefits from this type of economic disruption.
The sooner governments around the world address the health crisis over the economic crisis, the more the economic fallout will be contained.
They also just saw a boatload of money being created with the stroke of a pen. Funny how fast the government can act when the wealthy are threatened.
The rest of us...not so much.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)Sometimes called a dead-cat bounce.......
Eternally optimistic, a view from some of the big boys, below. Their tone suggests to me they believe everything will return to normal any day now. I suspect they know better.
Stock market wont hit coronavirus lows until these 3 criteria are met, says Goldman Sachs
Published: March 30, 2020 at 9:45 a.m. ET
By Chris Matthews
Questions remain regarding coronavirus spread and impact of stimulus
Link: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-market-wont-hit-coronavirus-lows-until-these-3-criteria-are-met-says-goldman-sachs-2020-03-30?mod=home-page
(snips)
1. The viral spread in the United States must begin to slow, so that the ultimate economic impact of the virus and containment efforts can be understood.
2. There must be evidence that extraordinary measures taken by the Federal Reserve and Congress to support the U.S. economy are sufficient. While the willingness of policymakers to use all the tools at their disposal is clear, only time will tell to what extent the actions succeed in limiting defaults, [business] closures and layoffs, Kostin wrote.
3. Investor sentiment and positioning must bottom out. Goldman analysts point to their U.S. Equity Sentiment Indicator, which combines nine measures of equity positioning, noting that it has only declined by 1.4 standard deviations, versus standard deviations of between -2 and -3 in recent corrections.
The Goldman analysts also warn investors of another headwind for equities going forward: greatly reduced corporate share buybacks. They point out that nearly 50 U.S. corporations have suspended existing share repurchase authorizations in recent weeks, representing $190 billion in buybacks, or nearly 25% of the 2019 total.
Buybacks have represented the single largest source of U.S. equity demand in each of the last several years, and we believe higher volatility and lower equity valuations are among the likely consequences of reduced buybacks.
To my knowledge, this virus provides no insider information. I would be afraid to trade baseball cards in this environment.
KY.........