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Why does the stock market and wall st seem to do well when there is news of mass layoffs? (Original Post) ck4829 Mar 2020 OP
Layoffs means the company makes more money texasleo Mar 2020 #1
Labor is a cost Loki Liesmith Mar 2020 #2
They also love stimulus. Like heroin. High but quick. notdarkyet Mar 2020 #3
Layoffs mean less money tirebiter Mar 2020 #4
There is an emotional component to the stock market dlk Mar 2020 #5
Tradition...nt Wounded Bear Mar 2020 #6
I have on idea but the stockmarket has no relation to reality anymore. Afromania Mar 2020 #7
Market isn't always rational Amishman Mar 2020 #8
Market likely factored in bad news already. Lots of factors affect market at any time. Hoyt Mar 2020 #9
The bulk of the tax cuts went The Wizard Mar 2020 #10
Today the stock markets are being pushed up, with moderate pr success, 500 or so DJI points empedocles Mar 2020 #11
Bad comparison DrToast Mar 2020 #12
Markets look ahead... orwell Mar 2020 #13
Fools thinking a bottom has been reached. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2020 #14

dlk

(11,574 posts)
5. There is an emotional component to the stock market
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 12:34 PM
Mar 2020

This emotional component can be completely untethered from the facts.

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
8. Market isn't always rational
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 12:36 PM
Mar 2020

Look up Greenspan's 'Irrational Exuberance' anecdote from prior to the dotcom bust. He was right.

Day traders and algorithmic trading are also big factors right now. Watch the hard dips or spikes at the end of each session right now as they unwind their short term positions.

The Wizard

(12,546 posts)
10. The bulk of the tax cuts went
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 12:50 PM
Mar 2020

to the wealthy elites and major corporations . The in turn used the windfall to buy back stock thus increasing demand and inflating stock prices and by extension, the DJI. Their stock portfolios all are artificially inflated. The #covid45 pandemic adjusted the DJI. Trumpty Dumpty and the market are due for a great fall, and I don't mean Autumn.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
11. Today the stock markets are being pushed up, with moderate pr success, 500 or so DJI points
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 01:05 PM
Mar 2020

However, more importantly the deflation commodities [gold/silver/oil] are saying be very aware of whats ahead].

orwell

(7,775 posts)
13. Markets look ahead...
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 01:22 PM
Mar 2020

...the markets were oversold, an over 30% drop in a few weeks. We are now experiencing a return to the mean. The trend at this point is still down.

The stock markets are looking at the financial landscape 6 to 18 months ahead. With some of the newer information regarding possible clinical treatments and vaccines, this is less murky than it was a week ago. This will not help people and medical systems in horrible stress now, but may ameliorate some suffering 6 to 8 weeks down the road.

While labor costs are the main cost of most companies, nobody long term benefits from this type of economic disruption.

The sooner governments around the world address the health crisis over the economic crisis, the more the economic fallout will be contained.

They also just saw a boatload of money being created with the stroke of a pen. Funny how fast the government can act when the wealthy are threatened.

The rest of us...not so much.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,494 posts)
14. Fools thinking a bottom has been reached.
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 01:32 PM
Mar 2020

Sometimes called a dead-cat bounce.......

Eternally optimistic, a view from some of the big boys, below. Their tone suggests to me they believe everything will return to normal any day now. I suspect they know better.

Stock market won’t hit coronavirus lows until these 3 criteria are met, says Goldman Sachs
Published: March 30, 2020 at 9:45 a.m. ET
By Chris Matthews
Questions remain regarding coronavirus spread and impact of stimulus

Link: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-market-wont-hit-coronavirus-lows-until-these-3-criteria-are-met-says-goldman-sachs-2020-03-30?mod=home-page

(snips)

To feel confident that the stock market has found a bottom, Kostin and his colleagues say three criteria must be met:

1. The viral spread in the United States must begin to slow, so that the ultimate economic impact of the virus and containment efforts can be understood.
2. There must be evidence that “extraordinary measures” taken by the Federal Reserve and Congress to support the U.S. economy are sufficient. “While the willingness of policymakers to use all the tools at their disposal is clear, only time will tell to what extent the actions succeed in limiting defaults, [business] closures and layoffs,” Kostin wrote.
3. Investor sentiment and positioning must bottom out. Goldman analysts point to their U.S. Equity Sentiment Indicator, which combines nine measures of equity positioning, noting that it has only declined by 1.4 standard deviations, versus standard deviations of between -2 and -3 in recent corrections.

The Goldman analysts also warn investors of another headwind for equities going forward: greatly reduced corporate share buybacks. They point out that nearly 50 U.S. corporations have suspended existing share repurchase authorizations in recent weeks, “representing $190 billion in buybacks, or nearly 25% of the 2019 total.”

“Buybacks have represented the single largest source of U.S. equity demand in each of the last several years, and we believe higher volatility and lower equity valuations are among the likely consequences of reduced buybacks.”

To my knowledge, this virus provides no insider information. I would be afraid to trade baseball cards in this environment.

KY.........
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