That's what he's focused on, those numbers, not the reality behind them.

They don't test dead people, they bury them.

By not testing, cause of death might be listed as pneumonia, or heart failure, or "drowned in own fluids", or (esp in Russia or North Korea) died of falling out window.

See? None of those reasons reference this "Covid-19" rumored annoyance.

Seems like a year ago now. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

some how we have to make the GOP pay BIG in November

There are more of us. More on the Democrats' side. There are just - MORE. More of us.

And all we have to do is show up to vote. All we have to do is flex those numbers like all the muscles they are. All we have to do is make sure our numbers show up at the polls, and in the mailboxes where ballots can be mailed in.

There are more of us than there are of them. We've already seen the reports about the GOP's slowly-but-steadily shrinking numbers. There are fewer republi-CONS these days. They're a lot louder and meaner now, probably because they feel their backs up against the wall more than ever. So they're gonna get more desperate about holding on to power. But our sheer NUMBERS can flood them out.

If only we USE them! That's all we have to do. Turn out the vote. Get 'em out to vote. Get 'em to the polls. There will be too many of them to try to keep out.

ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET OUT THE VOTE!

The only question is -

ARE WE UP TO IT?



VOTE. As though your life depended on it.

As though the life of YOUR COUNTRY depended on it.

spouting the lie all over social media that many, many people whose deaths are being attributed to the virus actually died from natural causes. Or the flu.

He wants testing suppressed for sure. He cares not one bit about how many additional people die, as long as it can't be proved it was the virus.

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the number of deaths surpassing the number of those infected?

and very few patients will be autopsied.

It's all about manipuluating perception. He's telling his fan base that people are dying from the flu or other causes. And they will believe it, until as individuals they start getting sick. But not a moment before then.

Unless we start covering up actual deaths, like Kim would.

If someone dies from Coronavirus and was never tested, unless the family requests an autopsy, that dead person will not be counted as a Coronavirus death.

...that coincidentally a whole lot of people just died of nonspecific respiratory failure?

anything he tells them to believe.

If someone is deteriorating from the viral infection, s/he goes to the ER or hospital and gets a DIAGNOSIS. All medical facilities WILL test for CV-19 now because THERE'S A PANDEMIC. The current issue about the lack of testing, from what I can gather, only extends to the population at large. So we can't get tested if we're not getting so sick that we must seek medical intervention.

A family member of mine works as a physical therapy assistant with a large regional health care provider. She can get tested for CV-19, but only if her symptoms approach the standard syndrome of CV-19. Otherwise, she must self-isolate until her symptoms subside. Even then, she can't qualify for getting a test. So that means that she CAN get infected and, on her own, resist the virus and resolve the infection, but NEVER know that her infection was from CV-19. That's not the same as going to ER, or to hospital, with the whole complement of CV-19 symptoms, be ordered to go on a ventilator, and NOT be diagnosed as having caught the virus. Worse yet, it's not the same as dying from the virus and never getting a diagnosis. That likely won't happen.

Why?

If a person tests positive, is symptomatic and on ventilator and dies of the virus, why would there need to be an autopsy that would require resources?

I alerted the next nurse in the following shift and she was able to reverse what the first one had done (back in 2012). I'm still here because of that second nurse, but if I had been in a coma, I wouldn't have caught the mistake.

My lesson here is that if an elderly person passes in a facility, it could be "just their time" and nobody would know the truth.

Call me crazy, but something of this magnitude should have accurate statistics for future reference (even if Der Fuehrer looks bad because of it). The symptoms of COVID are similar to other respiratory illnesses. We absolutely should know the cause of death.

It would be easier to put a swab up someone's nose if they're stiff and can't resist anyway. I had it done to me once and thought they struck brain tissue.

Ideally, on-time or routine testing would catch things earlier, making quarantines more effective.

Better late than never.

... numbers. Inadequate testing increases the infection’s spread. Increased numbers of infected increases the number of fatalities. It’s an indirect relationship.

I suppose more testing might get people into care earlier, and that could have a minimal impact on survivability. But by and large, people will succumb whether they were tested or not.

... going to be infected. That means more people will die. That is certainly NOT minimal. I did not mean to imply otherwise.

All I’m saying is that the actual, physical act of testing has no direct relationship to a patient’s mortality. Testing only identifies people who are infected, and shapes our response to the spread.

People are using a shortcut when they say “late testing means more fatalities”. Indirectly it’s accurate, but we need to understand the how and the why.

It's all about the numbers with this idiot. He didn't want to let people get off a cruise ship because it would bring up the "bad" numbers. He tweets about the ratings going up for his press conferences, the "good" numbers to him. He needs to go!

Lets assume, for a moment, that Trump is not an idiot, that he knows exactly what he is doing.

I believe it is reasonably safe to assume that the people hardest hit by the effects of the Coronavirus will be the minority populations. The people with no clout, no insurance, Blacks, Hispanics, the working poor. People who are used to going to work sick, people who don't go to doctors. People with insurance will be the first in line for medical treatment because, business is business. We have already seen this in action. Is it possible that Trump is willing to sacrifice some "very good people" in order to eliminate these potential Democratic voters from the pool to get an edge in the election?

It would be harder for a minority, minimum wage Wal-Mart employ to get a ventilator than to pass a camel through the eye of a needle.

Trump is ok with people dying in big cities because most of those people vote Democratic.

Which the Rethugs have been itching to gut for decades.

Without determining who has it & who doesn't this could go indefinitely. Or till we get a real president.

They reported they had a young girl who tested positive. He told them to stop testing.

By not testing, more people are going to die. Trump is ok with that so long as they are not counted as Coronavirus deaths.

They don't test dead people, they bury them unless the family requests an autopsy.

Our numbers are much under-reported because we aren't testing. China may have given out false numbers to the world but China tested and knew the real numbers.

People are reporting that it's taking a week+ to get results. The medical information starkly demonstrates that the illness spikes in severity (if that's the course for particular people depending on their conditions and the viral load that infected them) during or shortly before the second week of infection. If expedited testing results were available within 12-24 hours instead of a week or more, people could be removed and quarantined in medical facilities sooner to mitigate and treat the infections.

That's another reason he doesn't want tests done widely, he wants to profit off every single one and it irks him that Labquest, and hospitals have developed their own so he doesn't have as much control or profit over this as he wants. In a fit of ongoing pique, he still doesnt want us tested because of 2 reasons
1 - as you say he wants to hide the numbers because they show his abject personal failure
2 - profits for him is all he truly cares about besides re-election because he knows otherwise he is in jail

He's projecting again. He still wants to pretend like it's under control so he can reopen businesses again. Then infections will really peak the curve. What an asshole.

So he can declare the election's postponement until they can be assured it's rigged for them and trump.

but by under-reporting infections and deaths, if he can keep the fake numbers under 100,000 deaths he will declare victory and run on that.

Keep spitting in the Big Macs.

Testing is likely to reveal the numbers are higher. BFD. That's not news. Every epidemiologist and infectious disease specialist in the world is telling us the numbers are higher than those being reported now. We're already "Number One." Testing is not going to change that. (BTW, yes, I know, there are those here who insist on using per capita info, and on that list we're nowhere near number 1.)

Testing will not have an effect on the number of deaths, but it will have an impact on the case fatality rates, and that information could be very revealing. This could be either good or bad, but in any case it's valuable information. For example, at the moment, why is the case fatality rate apparently so high in Italy and not as high here?

Why am I even writing this. We all know that he's stupid beyond imagining, and it's horrifying to think there are multiple generations of his followers who are equally, and possibly even more, stupid. More data is better than less data. I don't think Eisenhower in WWII ever said, Nah, we don't need to know about the disposition of enemy troops, my gut tells me. . .

It has been apparent from the beginning that this fleck of feces
was going to kill as many as he could. That is what sociopaths do.
It doesn't matter that he is killing his base: he is jonesing for that adoration
from his followers
In his death throws, he will lash out at anyone in sight.



May his Karma be manifest!!

is 'I haven't heard that'.

But he said that right after he heard that, from Gov. Bullock's own lips. Said it in response to hearing it from Bullock, that's how we can tell he heard it.

So I'm not quibbling semantically with you about 'seen' vs 'heard', your point's valid either way.

Just pointing out a reality denying verbal tactic from dRump and his nazi buddies, that they've been deploying a lot more recently: when you hear something that shows just how sucky you are, something that really makes you look bad, hurts your cause, just say 'I haven't heard that', and you've categorically addressed it, because you denied it, said it's not true, so the discussion's over.

Dismiss it by claiming you haven't heard it, though you just heard it. That allows you to then never follow up on it. You're telling the person who delivered the unwanted knowledge to you that you aren't even going to put it into your memory banks, you find the statement of fact false, so you're not letting it even enter your mind.


I'd like to see the reporters and opposing politicians counter his cheap rhetorical 3 card monty con by saying, 'No, you JUST heard it. So you HAVE heard it, a second ago. Now that you HAVE heard it, what are you going to do about it?'