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Why is rabies almost 100 per cent fatal? Why didn't it ever (Original Post) raccoon Mar 2020 OP
Hmm, evolution is a funny thing. Different niches call for different things ck4829 Mar 2020 #1
Who survives rabies, though? Mariana Mar 2020 #8
Exactly, that *is* the point ck4829 Mar 2020 #10
Without a vaccine some still do Polybius Mar 2020 #20
It can afford to kill its human hosts, marybourg Mar 2020 #2
Rabies doesn't only kill all of its human hosts. Mariana Mar 2020 #3
Rabies takes 6 months to a year to kill DenverJared Mar 2020 #4
Based on how far away the bite was from your brain. Nt USALiberal Mar 2020 #11
When it comes to rabies, never question a raccoon! 😂 TheBlackAdder Mar 2020 #5
LOL. hadn't th.ought of that. nt raccoon Mar 2020 #15
If it lasts long enough to replicate and spread defacto7 Mar 2020 #6
Exactly. Natural selection provides no mechanism by which a microorganism becomes less fatal. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #16
Well said. defacto7 Mar 2020 #19
That's not entirely true. Igel Mar 2020 #23
If I get rabies, my first thought will be, "Who am I going to bite before I go to the doctor?" Beakybird Mar 2020 #7
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Oh folks here got a list for you! Arthur_Frain Mar 2020 #14
Because it takes a while to kill you, sometimes months. Nt USALiberal Mar 2020 #9
Species evolve primarily due Disaffected Mar 2020 #12
Well, It Apparently RobinA Mar 2020 #17
Get the book "Rabid"! Grins Mar 2020 #18
I'll get hold of that book. Nt raccoon Mar 2020 #22
Some just never do Marrah_Goodman Mar 2020 #21
It might customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #24

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
1. Hmm, evolution is a funny thing. Different niches call for different things
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:31 AM
Mar 2020

If you were to survive rabies, you could potentially develop a resistance to it. If an organism dies, well, they can't adapt to it.

Another thought I had: While killing the host is not ideal for a thing like a virus, but it does ensure the virus doesn't have to deal with competition either.

That's just my look at it.

Mariana

(14,857 posts)
8. Who survives rabies, though?
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:46 AM
Mar 2020

That's the point. No one survives rabies, without vaccination or in one case I know of, extreme medical intervention.

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
10. Exactly, that *is* the point
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:48 AM
Mar 2020

Host can't develop immunity and pass that trait on through either horizontal or vertical gene transfer.

Killing the host also ensures other things that use the organism as a host also get wiped out.

Sort of like a biological kamikaze. There are some evolutionary advantages to killing the host as long as that lethality is not as strong as the ability to reproduce and the descendants get to new hosts.

Polybius

(15,423 posts)
20. Without a vaccine some still do
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 01:26 PM
Mar 2020

Even the OP says it, why is rabies almost 100% fatal. 5% or a little less survive.

marybourg

(12,631 posts)
2. It can afford to kill its human hosts,
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:32 AM
Mar 2020

since it can’t leave one human host for another. Each human host is a dead end anyway. No pun intended.

 

DenverJared

(457 posts)
4. Rabies takes 6 months to a year to kill
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:36 AM
Mar 2020

During a lot of that time, an infected host can transmit it to others. Humans are an accidental host. The virus's "bread and butter" is small mammals - usually bats, rodents and others.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
16. Exactly. Natural selection provides no mechanism by which a microorganism becomes less fatal.
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 12:01 PM
Mar 2020

The reason a lot of things are not fatal anymore is because WE (the victims) adapt, not because the attacking organisms do. (And our own adaptations are a combination of natural selection, developing treatments/vaccines, and altering behavior.)

So to get back to the OP, nature/evolution says it's up to us to better resist Rabies, rather than being up to Rabies to become less dangerous to us.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
23. That's not entirely true.
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 02:17 PM
Mar 2020

If an organism is short-term lethal, then a mutation develops so one strain takes 2 years to kill instead of 1 day, the less lethal will spread further, it'll be more successful. The short-term lethal may not be rendered extinct (or it may, it's a random thing), but the distribution will certainly change. Some diseases have gone that way.

If as a result of not being as lethal critters develop an immunity, meh. There are species that require the death of the host, often because it's food for the young or it spreads by ingestion, but most are indifferent.

It really is in our interest to become resistant. But since that's also a random mutation that would have to spread, the pin-pricks that rabies causes to the H. sapiens "body" means that mutation would have to be very common, fix the problem all at once, and be dominant. And mutations seldom work that way.

Gad, I hate biology.

Disaffected

(4,555 posts)
12. Species evolve primarily due
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 11:50 AM
Mar 2020

to random mutations. Such a random mutation(s) that would make rabies less fatal apparently has not occured. Maybe it will in future, maybe not.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
17. Well, It Apparently
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 12:28 PM
Mar 2020

hasn't needed to, so there's no advantage to it. It could be out there, but it isn't being selected for.

Grins

(7,217 posts)
18. Get the book "Rabid"!
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 12:54 PM
Mar 2020

Came out just a couple years ago. Book review in Washington Post was so wild I just had to read it. Tracks the history and pathology of the disease back to when “man” tried to domesticate animals for food and labor.

Later chapters dealt with a girl near Milwaukee, WI (late 1970’s...?) getting bit by a rabid bat while in church and how she managed to be one of the FEW to survive.

Trying to find my copy as I seem to recall one chapter dealt with animal to human disease transmission.

The descriptions of how the disease killed its hosts were just “Ho. Lee. Shit!!!” amazing.

On edit: It may be that rabies, unlike other diseases, attacks the brain so it is not human-human transmissible as with a flu or COVID-19. It is always fatal (if not caught EARLY) so developing a natural resistance is not possible.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
24. It might
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 03:11 PM
Mar 2020

be less than 100% fatal in other mammalian species, where it would be able to survive to be passed on. Killing our species off is a bug, not a feature.

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