They keep you from touching your nose or mouth 10 times and hour when you are outside. I imagine that keeps your hands cleaner.

children, unable to behave or follow even the smallest instructions.

And what we really need to worry about is that guy behind us in line at the store having a coughing fit, or, in a real life experience for me yesterday, a jogger coming around the corner while I was walking my dog, and right when he was a foot away from me on the sidewalk, blowing out this huge huff of breath and atomised whatever, I had absolutely no time and no distance to protect myself.

I luckily wear one of my last 2 medical masks when I go out, but they're not gonna last forever...

Not sure if you noticed but many of our fellow Americans are fucking idiots including the shit stains running this shit show.

Actually, you can block out at least 60 % of aerosols with a cloth mask. The fewer droplets that get into your body the less sick you might get. We have ACE2 receptors in our nose and lungs that the virus uses to attach to - I read that the ACE2 receptors are like a door knob entrance into our bodies. Covering your nose and mouth and wearing glasses can help save lives. Lawrence O’ Donald had a guest on a few nights ago - Dr Zeke Emmanuel who said masks keep droplets in and droplets out. He also said when you are wearing a mask, you are sending a signal to others that we have something dangerous going on here and that you are conscientious. There are hundreds of videos out there now on how to make cloth and other types of masks - some can be made under a minute with no sewing.

yes to taking care of ourselves and meeting our responsibility to others, which is also taking care of ourselves.

With my beard, I'm a definite B-cup.

but it was used as a form of humiliation ,

a boob in one of those.

YUCH

Much more stylish

Seems like it might work!

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of a Star Wars movie.

Then there's no cutting involved.

Iiars!

that getting under your school desk would save you from a nuclear bomb.

At least if you live in California.

...under my desk was going to do if a nuke went off.

And, in those days, girls had to wear dresses or skirts to school, and we always worried that our panties would be exposed in that crouched position.

The CDC recommends them as alternatives when surgical masks are not available. In addition, there have been tests done that indicate they are considerably more effetive than nothing.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3373043/

But my point is, totally bald tires might stop your car 50% of the time, it's the other 50% that is gonna be deadly, that's why a car can't pass inspection with bald tires...

We crossed the million infect mark today. What if it were half that?

I'd rather err on the side of caution. If you're wrong, you just wore a mask. If you're right, 50% fewer cases.

most effective homemade mask possible, and how to wear, remove, and wash. Instead I'm relying on internet-circulated scientific info that may or may not be reliable.

Go on YouTube and look up Olson masks. A number of hospitals are recommending them as better homemade masks.

Sneezy is wearing a mask.

We should be making them out of t-shirts. I bet we didn't send t-shirt masks to China.
"U.S. exports of surgical masks, ventilators and other personal protective gear to China skyrocketed in January and February, when the coronavirus was wreaking havoc in the country where it began and as U.S. intelligence agencies warned it would soon spread."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/04/02/us-exports-masks-ppe-china-surged-early-phase-coronavirus/5109747002/

Covering stops you unconsciously touching your nose and mouth.

As someone downthread pointed out, only your brain can stop you doing that.

I saw a woman wearing a mask the other day while I was at the store. She came and took the grocery cart I had just placed in the outside rack. She had her phone in her hand, grabbed the cart with the other hand, stopped and let go to pull her mask up (touching her face with BOTH hands), then went on her merry way pushing the cart and talking on her phone.

Saw another woman wearing a mask with it pulled down UNDER her nose. These are just a couple of examples.

consciously touching your nose and face when you adjust the mask every six seconds because not only is it uncomfortable, but it prohibits you from seeing out of your glasses because you are looking through the wrong part of the lens. What a farce.

A primary source of infection - both ways.

so at least there's that - also lots of nukes. Masks - not so much

I, like Susan Collins, am concerned.

but they are better than nothing.

Instead of lying and telling people not to use “useless” surgical masks they should have been honest and told people save those for health care and first responders. And told people homemade masks will give a little protection which is much better than no protection.

EXCEPTIONAL?

Every bit of footage i see all over the world, even tRump's beloved shithole countries, everybody has on a mask nowadays, not scarves and t-shirts.

I know it’s fashionable to think everyone is 10000000000 times better than the US but trust me....lots of countries have fucked this up. We up here most certainly have.

HEPA filter insert would be better than cloth alone.

Sew the mask than make a pocket slightly smaller than the outer part that fully covers the mouth and nose, cut the HEPA a filter slightly smaller than the pocket in the mask.

That's what I am doing.

way better than any home made job. I wear it to spray lacquers, it has a very high aerosol blocking rate.
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For casting metals. I would have to buy new cartridges for it. But thanks for reminding me I have it. And it really makes a seal on my face too.

Leaves red marks on my face if I wear it a long time.lol

From what I have been able to research online, FPR 10 or MERV 11-13 rated filters can filter up to .3 microns, which is what HEPA rated filters do. Masks made with paper towels and coffee filters are around 20 microns.

cutting them and stretching them across our faces.

like a dick.

They DO NOT KNOW they are up against.

They DO NOT KNOW how it is spread; perhaps a few clues but nothing definitive.

What they DO KNOW is that it kills fast and quick when it cares to do so.

What they DO KNOW is that they are not prepared!

That sums this whole nightmare up in a few sentences.

I am not optimistic given what I DO KNOW and it is NOT GOOD.

They have a name for "it" and that is about it IMO.

As for the masks, etc. WHO IN THE HELL KNOWS?

You know they're be on sale on the WH website. As soon as they arrive from China.

to reduce the transmission, including social isolation and hand washing.

But, yes, the industries shouldn't just make masks and respirators, they should distribute them INSIDE the US instead of selling them for export to the highest bidder.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/opinion/trump-coronavirus-masks.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage§ion=Opinion

Even if masks don’t completely protect each individual, they could considerably reduce the spread of the virus. Even if the coverings only reduced transmission to and from each wearer by half, that would reduce the chance of spread by 75 percent. So face coverings could reduce the exponential growth of new infections and avert disaster in America’s hot spots.

Because scientists cannot rule out with complete confidence that this coronavirus can be spread easily in the air, even outdoors, we believe it’s most prudent to promote face covering in all public settings. And to state the obvious, mask wearing and face covering is not a substitute for shelter-in-place, hand-washing and other protective measures.

Those wearing a mask may be stigmatized, since they might be presumed to be sick, given current government guidance. A national policy on face coverings for all, even those who have had the disease, like our co-author Dr. Kass, could eliminate that stigma. Wearing masks is a way we can all protect each other.

People should be strictly warned that wearing a face covering doesn’t let you ignore social distancing rules. That would be counterproductive.

Seriously, nothing short of a full hazmat suit is going to protect people totally, but adding a cloth nose/mouth covering will add a further barrier. I've got a lot of bandanas around and there are loads of how-to videos on the internet--here's one link
http://blog.japanesecreations.com/no-sew-face-mask-with-handkerchief-and-hair-tie?fbclid=IwAR1mzc7AT902Z_--RVG445lEU_25gnWN8lyUSX7Qcnt8nj4c6SFb4NU0Rxc

However, I might not use the bandana with the skull and crossbones design....then again....

since lots of people lack sewing machines or skills who could manage to fold a bandana.

It's done at such a nice pace... not too fast. And the music is so soothing and restful.

Some of these fools gonna talk themselves into ICU.

Wear a mask, dumbasses. Don't matter what kind.

today when I went grocery shopping. There were a goodly number of masks at the grocery store ~20-30% I would guess. I think more will be in evidence with each passing day. My mask is a nine-year old N95 with replacement straps made out of hair ties. Better than nothing and I wore gloves as well.

luck.
Those masks may block 50% of virus from mouth and nose, but your eyes are a wide open entryway into your body.

I'm wearing safety glasses every time I go out.

They have a foam layer in in the frames that keeps moisture and other stuff away from your eyes. Your eyes are nearly sealed when you wear them. And they're stylish.
I don't ride a motorcycle but I find them useful as in I wear them on pollen infested days to keep my eyes from being tormented.

I think they'd block a good amount of the droplets of covid too.

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Or make a veil with clear plastic over a hat, someone posted a pic of one here.

Mine should arrive tomorrow. Just before this all started my friend gave me a N95 mask to clean out my chicken coop. I didn’t know at the time how precious it would be. I am making cloth masks for my daughter and grandkids out of pretty fabrics. Many of my artist friends are making beautiful creative masks. Some are making pockets in the masks for coffee filters to slide in.

that is 100% cotton was found to be the most effective.

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/diy-homemade-mask-protect-virus-coronavirus/?rel=1

Any type of mask is better than nothing. Virus particles are small but they are attached to larger mucus particles. Of course if we had a real prez instead of a russian asset who is happy to murder us while he tries to create even more division, we could have all had at least surgical masks probably. You can make your own mask with a sturdy cloth that doesn't have large holes in it and some sort of a filter material. Charcoal filters are known to block virus particles. Some masks that are soaked in salt seem to have been more effective at killing viruses but that was a study and it is problematic.

I feel safer. I will wear my stupid useless bandanna during corona season just like I have done the last 5 flu seasons.

I do not care if it is all the other measures keeping me healthy instead. I feel safer. I am more relaxed. I enjoy the outing more. I do more than I otherwise would.

My husband spent nearly 5 years on chemo. He felt safer with it too. He played cards at the community center and went to concerts and out to the park and even the grocery store. Before that as an extra tool he was too afraid.

So regardless... it is NOT useless.

than nothing.

work 50% of the time, it's absolutely useless in my book. If I go to the store and the package of pork chops I buy is only 50% infested with worms, it's absolutely useless. If I needed to travel, and was told that only 50% of the planes are currently falling out of the sky, that's absolutely useless. If I go to the bank, and they tell me that 50% of my accounts have just vanished, that's absolutely useless. If I go to the pharmacy and am told that 50% of the pills in the bottle really don't contain any medication, that's absolutely useless.

I am talking about living in the richest country in the world, in the 21st Century, and we cannot get something this basic. And i specifically mention Koch Industries because they're supposed to be the most patriotic people on earth, WHY AREN'T THEY MAKING MASKS? Paper products is WHAT THEY DO!

I am talking about, if you read carefully the NIH instructions for the home made masks, they specifically state that this was developed for use "in a manner available in developing countries". I DO NOT ACCEPT the idea that the USA is, yet, a Third World Country.

I am talking about people just accepting a 50% efficacy and NOT HOLDING PEOPLE'S FEET TO THE FIRE who can actually pull the levers to make far far far better masks widely available for EVERYONE.

I am of course wearing the few REAL masks I have left, I'm wearing gloves and safety glasses every time I leave my quarantined house, which is only to walk the dog and to go to the store for food. And at some point I will wear whatever makeshift thing I have to, but in the meantime:
I an using the hyperbolic language of "absolutely useless" to express my outrage and indignation at the way we as a nation are being treated and at the way so many people are just knuckling under. 50% IS NOT THE American Way.


I want everyone to be as safe as we possibly can in these troubling times. And I do not believe for one second that 50% is an acceptable safety rating for the richest country in the world, in the 21st Century, it's a hoax and a joke. 50% efficacy will turn out to be the "DUCK AND COVER" of the 2020s.

There have been posts here on DU telling people that wearing the masks is stupid, useless theater and they shouldn't be doing it. I misunderstood your post to be one of those and I'm sure I wasn't the only one. I share your outrage at how the Trump administration has handled this crisis and agree with you 100%. I will delete my replies to you in this thread.

I will say, however, that the experts, with their recommendation, are doing the best they can trying to clean up the mess they've been handed. Most of them aren't at fault and can only do the best they can with what they've got. And right now they can only offer up shitty advice because of Trump. It's maddening, but unfortunately, it's reality. It's all they can do.

”Conclusions

This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/?fbclid=IwAR2YHAnLxdtzoMx7wOd15n6FryFGJSBt6MI6zfBoN11ZFhE89bJ2Xx-Heyk

with the bias running crosswise to the layer next to it, to achieve 50% efficacy, which is way more than just tying a scarf around your face. Plus you have to construct it to YOUR INDIVIDUAL SIZE, or there's no 50% efficacy.