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milestogo

(16,829 posts)
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:00 PM Apr 2020

I never realized how many people reject a scientific point of view.

They don't believe in climate change.

They don't believe in evolution.

They don't believe in epidemiology.

You might expect that in a culture where there isn't much education, but anyone who goes to school through the 10th grade should understand these things.

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I never realized how many people reject a scientific point of view. (Original Post) milestogo Apr 2020 OP
they believe in lard nt msongs Apr 2020 #1
Next time you're in the grocery store check out the nutrition of lard next to "shortening". marble falls Apr 2020 #14
Yep, and speaking of science... GoCubsGo Apr 2020 #67
Hydrogenation is a very, very bad thing. It is so misleading when spreadable makers ... marble falls Apr 2020 #74
Now wait a minute. GulfCoast66 Apr 2020 #21
You can see it in the clouds up in the sky. nt Codeine Apr 2020 #32
I believe that might have been intended as "in the lard" stopdiggin Apr 2020 #54
I think it was meant to be "They believe in lard ass." marble falls Apr 2020 #75
This is the day the Lard hath made - let us rejoice and be glad in it! hatrack Apr 2020 #66
Praise the Lard! milestogo Apr 2020 #79
To some degree I blame the internet. captain queeg Apr 2020 #2
Rec. MerryBlooms Apr 2020 #73
I guess to some the germ theory is just a THEORY, giving miasma vapors another chance Baclava Apr 2020 #3
jesus cast out evil spirits to heal rampartc Apr 2020 #51
I saw an online poll asking if one would get a vaccine for COVID-19 when developed. stopbush Apr 2020 #4
I've seen some strange theories on FB about a Covid-19 vaccine. NoRoadUntravelled Apr 2020 #12
I heard that and it is all tied to safeinOhio Apr 2020 #22
there are a lot of stupid people on facebook subana Apr 2020 #23
Did your friend come in off the ledge after you showed her the snopes gristy Apr 2020 #50
haha... subana Apr 2020 #82
The most worrisome to me is that we needed to be reminded to wash our hands! JoeOtterbein Apr 2020 #5
Zip up? marble falls Apr 2020 #15
As Branch Rickey is supposed to have said about aging GeoWilliam750 Apr 2020 #24
Aw jeez. The fourth stage is imminent. Good thing we all meet up online. marble falls Apr 2020 #72
I was recently told... LakeArenal Apr 2020 #6
When I was very young a respected and, to me, very ancient person told me NoRoadUntravelled Apr 2020 #7
wasn't always that way........ Takket Apr 2020 #8
Well, if all the red team members die..... machoneman Apr 2020 #10
that's what I'm hoping for! subana Apr 2020 #25
Science and religion have never coexisted peacefully, nor should they. stopbush Apr 2020 #16
Religion is fine until it becomes an existential threat. Then it has to be put into it's place. nt Progressive Jones Apr 2020 #18
Science and dogma are antithetical. Science denial is virtually synonymous with dogmatism. k2qb3 Apr 2020 #39
You'd think they'd be checking out of the gene pool quicker than anyone else. marble falls Apr 2020 #9
One can only hope for a rush to the Pearly Gates! Although in their cases, it'll be a lot hotter... machoneman Apr 2020 #11
Science interferes with profit drmeow Apr 2020 #13
We are a profoundly stupid nation, comparatively. smirkymonkey Apr 2020 #17
The right wing version of anti-science tends to be the most toxic, but... Silent3 Apr 2020 #19
quite correct stopdiggin Apr 2020 #55
Remember that the Orange clown was tutored through every grade... jimlup Apr 2020 #20
haha... subana Apr 2020 #27
I once dated a woman who told me, quite sincerely, that fossils were planted by the Devil. Midnight Writer Apr 2020 #26
Dodged a bullet on that one! spudspud Apr 2020 #29
I've often wondered. She was exemplary in every way, a truly good person, but... Midnight Writer Apr 2020 #31
well, there's nothing wrong with being alone! subana Apr 2020 #34
I can't claim I am not happy. Single is my comfort zone. Midnight Writer Apr 2020 #37
me too!! subana Apr 2020 #40
Cat is at my feet. Midnight Writer Apr 2020 #44
haha.... subana Apr 2020 #47
good choice not to pursue her subana Apr 2020 #33
Honestly, I wouldn't have stood a chance. She was way out of my league. She did much better. Midnight Writer Apr 2020 #35
exactly! subana Apr 2020 #38
I underestimated the number of dumb people in the US as well... spudspud Apr 2020 #28
I wasn't! subana Apr 2020 #36
A lot of people have a really good 'opt out' mechanism to cope with lots of things. Aussie105 Apr 2020 #30
I grew up in the 70s. we believed in science. Demovictory9 Apr 2020 #41
Yep. The in the 50s, 60s and 70s, the space program was everything. GoCubsGo Apr 2020 #70
also..we knew people with polio and the impact of a vaccine Demovictory9 Apr 2020 #76
Our science education is shit Sgent Apr 2020 #42
It is disheartening. Sometimes I want to snark Solly Mack Apr 2020 #43
How can a human brain be so big and yet so small? Aussie105 Apr 2020 #45
Put some of the blame on the nutty churches Mariana Apr 2020 #46
yes, churches are responsible for much of it subana Apr 2020 #49
I am certain that it is caused by all the 5G towers going up and spewing grantcart Apr 2020 #48
The Snark is strong with this one! hatrack Apr 2020 #68
Its all about religious brainwashing Squidly Apr 2020 #52
Statistics CountAllVotes Apr 2020 #53
and yet, a good deal of the information we are stopdiggin Apr 2020 #57
I don't get it either JustGene Apr 2020 #56
People who refuse to believe in science Jamastiene Apr 2020 #58
Nice read underpants Apr 2020 #62
home schooling and private/religious schooling has led to this with so many beachbumbob Apr 2020 #59
Math and science are two of the academic disciplines that rely on logic and evidence. no_hypocrisy Apr 2020 #60
I Subbed Science In February ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #61
Just pop into any megachurch in the South on a Sunday DFW Apr 2020 #63
Science provides Chainfire Apr 2020 #64
You must be one of them lib'ral elites! Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2020 #65
just posted elsewhere... handmade34 Apr 2020 #69
I'm actually surprised that right-wingers haven't yet... Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2020 #71
Thanks for the link Chainfire Apr 2020 #78
25% of Americans believe in Astrology and 40% believe in creationism Botany Apr 2020 #77
and lets not even talk about the maths. jeebus mopinko Apr 2020 #80
These idiots also do not believe in vacinations Gothmog Apr 2020 #81

marble falls

(57,172 posts)
14. Next time you're in the grocery store check out the nutrition of lard next to "shortening".
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:41 PM
Apr 2020

Lard is better for you than margarine, too.

We need to be careful of the total fats we eat. I use avocado oil, olive oil, lard and butter. They all are good for you and have their uses for different temps.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
67. Yep, and speaking of science...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 08:01 AM
Apr 2020

One might want to watch the latest "NOVA" on PBS. It's about fat. Lard and other fats aren't one's enemy, unless they're the hydrogenated kind.

marble falls

(57,172 posts)
74. Hydrogenation is a very, very bad thing. It is so misleading when spreadable makers ...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 08:39 AM
Apr 2020

claim their product is made from polyunsaturated fats without saying that to make those good fats spreadable they have to hydrogenate them.

A little common sense and research can go a long way to get at the truth.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
21. Now wait a minute.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:43 AM
Apr 2020

Im a nonbeliever, science guy and use lard. Our bodies and brains evolved with the consumption of animal protein and fat. Recent research has suggested that without the ability to cook animals our brains could not have evolved to our current state as our brains take huge amounts of energy. Like 20% of our diet.


The amount of vegetable fat you consume eating one helping of corn chips would equal the amount of plant based oils your distant ancestor who was becoming human consumed in a year.

I’m not saying we should eat a meat based diet. Because we evolved to be omnivores. But thinking plant based fat is always superior to animal based is crazy. Too much fat with a sedentary lifestyle is bad. No matter the type.

Besides, you can’t make a truly great mess of Biscuit with out Lard.

captain queeg

(10,238 posts)
2. To some degree I blame the internet.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:12 PM
Apr 2020

So much knowledge at our fingertips yet many use it only to reinforce whatever opinion they have. And there’s many thousands or millions of sites that’ll agree with whatever cockamamie idea you have.

NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
12. I've seen some strange theories on FB about a Covid-19 vaccine.
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:38 PM
Apr 2020

Some are pushing the idea that the virus is a ruse to have everyone planted with a chip that will turn them into zombies via the vaccine once it's developed. I feel a bit sorry for them, torturing themselves with these ideas because their mind has kidnapped their logic and left behind a puddle of fear they can't splash their way out of. .

subana

(586 posts)
23. there are a lot of stupid people on facebook
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:13 AM
Apr 2020

there is a lot of misinformation on facebook & some will believe whatever they see, whether it is accurate or not!

I have a friend in Indiana who once was outraged by something she saw on facebook. It was an article that appeared to be from NBC that claimed Obama was going to implant chips in people. By the time I saw the info, several of her friends had seen it too & they were equally outraged. I was suspicious about the article when I saw it but what really made me suspicious was the link led to some kind of natural health website. I thought, why would NBC put this article on a website like this? I went to snopes & proved it was a fraud. But this shows how on facebook users will believe anything they read without question, no matter how ridiculous it is!!

gristy

(10,667 posts)
50. Did your friend come in off the ledge after you showed her the snopes
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:54 AM
Apr 2020

and proved it was a fraud? Or did she just go on to the next thing?

subana

(586 posts)
82. haha...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 07:22 PM
Apr 2020

after I proved it was wrong, she did acknowledge that it was a fake & lost her outrage on this subject. I used to try to convince her that something was not real news so that she wouldn't automatically believe all of the right wing BS as truth. That was awhile ago & I left facebook so I rarely talk to her anymore.

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
5. The most worrisome to me is that we needed to be reminded to wash our hands!
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:27 PM
Apr 2020

Hopefully, they know what to do after using the toilet!

GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
24. As Branch Rickey is supposed to have said about aging
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:19 AM
Apr 2020

First you forget names
Then you forget faces
Then you forget to zip up your fly
Then you forget to unzip your fly

LakeArenal

(28,837 posts)
6. I was recently told...
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:29 PM
Apr 2020

You can believe in science but your faith is for god.

I said I believe in science so I have faith in my doctor.

NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
7. When I was very young a respected and, to me, very ancient person told me
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:30 PM
Apr 2020

that the greatest threat to the survival of Democracy would be the ignorance of the people and the arrogance of their leaders.
I've always believed it but never expected I'd see it demonstrated so clearly.

Takket

(21,620 posts)
8. wasn't always that way........
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:33 PM
Apr 2020

science was science and religion was religion and people understood those two things could coexist peacefully. the exception being evolution which is where for many people science overstepped its bounds...

but setting that aside, there was a medium between the two.

but in today's world the right wing and evangelicals have polarized the two concepts into "teams" and the way for you to "win" if for your "team" to win.

today that cult worships drumpf......... they are a lost generation.... but my hope is if we turn the government blue and get the fuck rid of betsy devos, we might be able to bring the next generation back to reality. it will take decades to undo the damage, and a lot of heartache.

machoneman

(4,007 posts)
10. Well, if all the red team members die.....
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:35 PM
Apr 2020

...oh, yes, we will have a better country for sure! No apologies here for dumbshit MAGATS! None at all...............

subana

(586 posts)
25. that's what I'm hoping for!
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:22 AM
Apr 2020

republican run states keep making stupid mistakes that will make it more likely that their people will get sick or die. Of course not all of those people will be republican but a majority are!

 

k2qb3

(374 posts)
39. Science and dogma are antithetical. Science denial is virtually synonymous with dogmatism.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:56 AM
Apr 2020

Dogma is a cancer of the consciousness, metastasized via the rationalization of paradox.

Evolution challenges the incorrect solution to the problem of suffering on which all western theology is built. Natural selection is entirely incompatible with The Fall. Climate denial is almost entirely a matter of theology.

No inherent conflicts with deism though, the conflict isn't with God, just dogma.



machoneman

(4,007 posts)
11. One can only hope for a rush to the Pearly Gates! Although in their cases, it'll be a lot hotter...
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:37 PM
Apr 2020

...of a place for sure! Hah!

drmeow

(5,023 posts)
13. Science interferes with profit
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 11:40 PM
Apr 2020

plus science teaches critical thinking. Republicans had to convince people to reject critical thinking and science in order to convince them to keep voting for them and to let their masters make profits.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
17. We are a profoundly stupid nation, comparatively.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:08 AM
Apr 2020

It's pretty sad how under-educated we are compared to other first-world nations. And the worst thing is that so many of us seem to be proud of it.

Silent3

(15,259 posts)
19. The right wing version of anti-science tends to be the most toxic, but...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:13 AM
Apr 2020

...there's sadly plenty of anti-science and pseudo-science on the left too.

stopdiggin

(11,354 posts)
55. quite correct
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 04:30 AM
Apr 2020

I wish I could say in a slightly less belligerent form .. but I fear that is mostly just wishful thinking.

Midnight Writer

(21,788 posts)
26. I once dated a woman who told me, quite sincerely, that fossils were planted by the Devil.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:24 AM
Apr 2020

The Devil, you see, likes to own the liberal scientists, so he plants false data everywhere to confound them.

An engaging, nice, beautiful lady, very pleasant, but I did not pursue the relationship.

Midnight Writer

(21,788 posts)
31. I've often wondered. She was exemplary in every way, a truly good person, but...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:35 AM
Apr 2020

She now has a family and seems to be doing well. She lives on the rich side of town.

I, on the other hand, am spending Friday night alone in my apartment doing edibles and beer and gossiping on DU.

Go figure.

subana

(586 posts)
34. well, there's nothing wrong with being alone!
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:43 AM
Apr 2020

I'd much rather spend time alone instead of listening to someone talk about the devil!!

subana

(586 posts)
40. me too!!
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:58 AM
Apr 2020

in fact, I prefer being alone! You do whatever you like without someone else contradicting with you! I have a kitty & she is all the company I need.

subana

(586 posts)
33. good choice not to pursue her
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:39 AM
Apr 2020

I live in Tulsa, Ok (in the bible belt) where there are lots of fundamentalist christians. I know they make crazy statements. They blame the devil for anything & everything! When you have an enemy who can change the way he looks & you believe he wants to tempt you with a variety of things, as they all claim the devil does, it's easy to blame that enemy for anything!

Kind of like conspiracy theories, they can imagine any ridiculous situation, without facts or evidence & they all believe it!



btw, I'm not a christian & don't believe in the devil

Midnight Writer

(21,788 posts)
35. Honestly, I wouldn't have stood a chance. She was way out of my league. She did much better.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:47 AM
Apr 2020

I think it was pretty clear we were not compatible.

Besides, come on, what can you talk about with someone who thinks God is standing beside her writing down every word and the Devil is hiding around the corner waiting to catch her with her guard down?












subana

(586 posts)
38. exactly!
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:54 AM
Apr 2020

true, you would not have had much in common & she probably says the same kind of things today!

Flip Wilson has an example of blaming the devil like this...

spudspud

(511 posts)
28. I underestimated the number of dumb people in the US as well...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:28 AM
Apr 2020

Until the day after the general election in 2016. I was shocked at just how many stupid people there were.

subana

(586 posts)
36. I wasn't!
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:47 AM
Apr 2020

these people mostly voted for a candidate who promotes one conspiracy theory after another!!

Aussie105

(5,425 posts)
30. A lot of people have a really good 'opt out' mechanism to cope with lots of things.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:35 AM
Apr 2020

Evolution? Nah, too complex, I opt out of that!

Drugs can kill you? Nah, I opt out of that!

Climate change? Nah, I opt out of that!

A tiny virus can kill you? Nah, I opt out of that!

Just look at the news and see the people partying, on the beach, carrying on . . . they are all around you!

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
70. Yep. The in the 50s, 60s and 70s, the space program was everything.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 08:11 AM
Apr 2020

Science was respected, and so were scientists. Now, scientists get portrayed as misfits and freaks, like on "The Big Bang Theory." It's sad and discouraging to see how quickly this country has turned into the Idiocracy.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
42. Our science education is shit
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:04 AM
Apr 2020

I was a science overachiever and took every class in HS, and essentially a pre-meds worth of science at two universities.

Maybe 1/2 of the classes I took spent 10 minutes on the scientific method and the philosophy of science -- but I never internalized it until much later in grad school.

HS needs to drop some of the unimportant areas and spend at least one semester teaching the philosophy of science, the scientific method, reasoning, etc. Maybe some basic stats as well.

Most HS students are not going to be scientists -- and even those who will often miss out. Its more important for the general population that they know how and why science works, and less important they know the kreb cycle or dissect a frog.

Solly Mack

(90,780 posts)
43. It is disheartening. Sometimes I want to snark
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:07 AM
Apr 2020

at people like that (and I do) but mostly it causes me great sadness.

My husband often comes home from work with a need to talk his disgust out. He works with a science denier.

Retired military with an "essential" government job and this particular co-worker is a retired officer.

It's not just a rejection of science either. It is a rejection of education period.

Belief is embraced. Knowledge seems to offend them.

Aussie105

(5,425 posts)
45. How can a human brain be so big and yet so small?
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:36 AM
Apr 2020

Some people have an endless yearning to learn new things and new skills.

It is as if their brains are an endless landscape of questions, inquisitiveness, collecting new thoughts, new ideas, putting bits together to synthesize new concepts, new ways of thinking, new ways of doing things.
Endless space to put things in, endless patience in acquiring new knowledge, experiences, skills.

Other people have a brain that gets to a comfortable but immature place where they think they know it all, have all the understanding they need to get through life, and put up a sign inside their head, on their brain . . . 'closed for business'.

Now I'm not going to denigrate either group, but I do know which group is easily led astray by False, Orange Faced Prophets. And spin you stories, with a straight face, about Good and Bad abstract beings affecting every aspect of their lives.

EDIT: The Evolution vs Creationist debate?
Easily solved!
Science explains the HOW, religion explains the WHY. Believe one or the other, believe both, no harm done.

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
46. Put some of the blame on the nutty churches
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:44 AM
Apr 2020

and the parents who drag their kids to them every week. We have preachers and parents intentionally undermining the work of the schools, telling the children they'll burn in hell for eternity if they believe the things they're taught in science class.

subana

(586 posts)
49. yes, churches are responsible for much of it
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:18 AM
Apr 2020

parents are also to blame! Most of them don't encourage their kids to think for themselves. They take their kids to church as if believing this one path is the only one but it's not!

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
48. I am certain that it is caused by all the 5G towers going up and spewing
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:12 AM
Apr 2020

Anti-geriphenomenes into the atmosphere which nuetralizes protons in the brain stem and effects the ability for people with a rating of less than 78 geripharbs to follow rational logical abstracts.

I have also heard that is loosening the effects of gravity, albeit in micro-digital amounts so far. I am not 100% convinced on this point although I seem to be experiencing a millisecond of weightlessness when transferring weight from one foot to the other when walking. Or it could be because I lost 18 pounds recently.

CountAllVotes

(20,878 posts)
53. Statistics
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 04:11 AM
Apr 2020

This is one subject that every person should have to take as a requirement to graduate from high school.

If they took one semester/quarter of statistics, maybe they'd know what a valid study is and how many people need to be in a study for it to be considered viable

I guess it is easier to simply listen to some idiot blab away about some study that took place somewhere that had five people in it and brag about the findings, all of which are statistically insignificant straight off for one reason alone -- not enough people in the study!

Ignorance is bliss or so they say!



stopdiggin

(11,354 posts)
57. and yet, a good deal of the information we are
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 04:45 AM
Apr 2020

dispensing on C-19, comes from very small data sets. (and you're right .. it's not very solid .. at all.)

JustGene

(421 posts)
56. I don't get it either
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 04:36 AM
Apr 2020

I ate this stuff up at 12.
Only finished 8th Gr., but spent many hours in the library w/ my BF
reading about everything from Demonology to Physics.
Born with an insatiable curiosity.
Hard for me to understand not wanting to know.
Maybe that is the key?

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
58. People who refuse to believe in science
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 04:46 AM
Apr 2020

are usually the same ones who pride themselves on not reading. I have had to endure some really stupid conversations going on around me while waiting for food I ordered at a restaurant or while waiting in line at the grocery store. It's always a situation where I have to endure being around them, because I spend the rest of my time trying to get away from the amount of willfully stupid Trumplodyte types that live where I live.

I have endured this exact conversation going on around me on numerous occasions. One of them will say they haven't read a book since high school. The next one will say they haven't read a book since 8th grade. Next up will be the one who pridefully boasts they never learned to read.

For the record, the "winner" of their little contest, where they are really just being proud of being willfully stupid, is the one who never learned to read. I kid you not. That is something they take pride in. They boast about it like it is a virtue.

They refuse to believe any facts they are taught. I feel for teachers in my area, because those who are like that have parents who are the same. So, even when the teachers try to teach these stupid little spawn, the parents argue with them and re-teach their spawn to ignore the teachers. It's ridiculous.

And for the record, they tried to flunk me in 10th grade. I had straight A's. I missed one too many days, WITH a doctor's note for each of those days. They ended up not flunking me, because my pediatrician informed the principal of my numerous health problems.

Later, I ended up graduating with people who could not read. They graduated because they had perfect attendance. That is how it works where I live. Perfect attendance means automatically getting a high school diploma. Straight As means nothing, if you have health problems.

Is that REALLY a good policy in education? I don't think so. I hate having to endure the willfully stupid olympics when I have to be in line in any given situation in public. Our local education policies ensure I will never get away from the stupid. What a waste of my time getting A's. It meant nothing. Teachers are treading water and getting ignored. Admin types make stupid rules that reward willful stupidity.

no_hypocrisy

(46,160 posts)
60. Math and science are two of the academic disciplines that rely on logic and evidence.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 07:21 AM
Apr 2020

Therefore, the results are hard to dispute and manipulate.

Of course, they're hated by those who either don't understand them or worse, those who understand them and can't use them for their purposes.

ProfessorGAC

(65,159 posts)
61. I Subbed Science In February
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 07:25 AM
Apr 2020

7th grade. Subject those 2 days was.....viruses!
Seventh grade. Also, in October, same deal with evolution.
Shouldn't even take all the way to 10th grade!

DFW

(54,436 posts)
63. Just pop into any megachurch in the South on a Sunday
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 07:47 AM
Apr 2020

We'll be glad to show you how many such people there are!

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,856 posts)
71. I'm actually surprised that right-wingers haven't yet...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 08:17 AM
Apr 2020

... widely complained that scientific journals are “violating the 1st amendment” by omitting nonsense via peer review.

mopinko

(70,198 posts)
80. and lets not even talk about the maths. jeebus
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:50 PM
Apr 2020

i have had a hard time resisting turning my fb page into math for dummies.
even the docs i see on my teevee have issues.

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
81. These idiots also do not believe in vacinations
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 04:15 PM
Apr 2020

Hopefully these idiots will refuse the vaccines and suffer the consequences

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