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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI never realized how many people reject a scientific point of view.
They don't believe in climate change.
They don't believe in evolution.
They don't believe in epidemiology.
You might expect that in a culture where there isn't much education, but anyone who goes to school through the 10th grade should understand these things.
msongs
(67,438 posts)marble falls
(57,172 posts)Lard is better for you than margarine, too.
We need to be careful of the total fats we eat. I use avocado oil, olive oil, lard and butter. They all are good for you and have their uses for different temps.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)One might want to watch the latest "NOVA" on PBS. It's about fat. Lard and other fats aren't one's enemy, unless they're the hydrogenated kind.
marble falls
(57,172 posts)claim their product is made from polyunsaturated fats without saying that to make those good fats spreadable they have to hydrogenate them.
A little common sense and research can go a long way to get at the truth.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Im a nonbeliever, science guy and use lard. Our bodies and brains evolved with the consumption of animal protein and fat. Recent research has suggested that without the ability to cook animals our brains could not have evolved to our current state as our brains take huge amounts of energy. Like 20% of our diet.
The amount of vegetable fat you consume eating one helping of corn chips would equal the amount of plant based oils your distant ancestor who was becoming human consumed in a year.
Im not saying we should eat a meat based diet. Because we evolved to be omnivores. But thinking plant based fat is always superior to animal based is crazy. Too much fat with a sedentary lifestyle is bad. No matter the type.
Besides, you cant make a truly great mess of Biscuit with out Lard.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)stopdiggin
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marble falls
(57,172 posts)hatrack
(59,592 posts).
milestogo
(16,829 posts)captain queeg
(10,238 posts)So much knowledge at our fingertips yet many use it only to reinforce whatever opinion they have. And theres many thousands or millions of sites thatll agree with whatever cockamamie idea you have.
MerryBlooms
(11,771 posts)Baclava
(12,047 posts)rampartc
(5,434 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)50% said no.
NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)Some are pushing the idea that the virus is a ruse to have everyone planted with a chip that will turn them into zombies via the vaccine once it's developed. I feel a bit sorry for them, torturing themselves with these ideas because their mind has kidnapped their logic and left behind a puddle of fear they can't splash their way out of. .
safeinOhio
(32,714 posts)5G networds.
subana
(586 posts)there is a lot of misinformation on facebook & some will believe whatever they see, whether it is accurate or not!
I have a friend in Indiana who once was outraged by something she saw on facebook. It was an article that appeared to be from NBC that claimed Obama was going to implant chips in people. By the time I saw the info, several of her friends had seen it too & they were equally outraged. I was suspicious about the article when I saw it but what really made me suspicious was the link led to some kind of natural health website. I thought, why would NBC put this article on a website like this? I went to snopes & proved it was a fraud. But this shows how on facebook users will believe anything they read without question, no matter how ridiculous it is!!
gristy
(10,667 posts)and proved it was a fraud? Or did she just go on to the next thing?
after I proved it was wrong, she did acknowledge that it was a fake & lost her outrage on this subject. I used to try to convince her that something was not real news so that she wouldn't automatically believe all of the right wing BS as truth. That was awhile ago & I left facebook so I rarely talk to her anymore.
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)Hopefully, they know what to do after using the toilet!
marble falls
(57,172 posts)GeoWilliam750
(2,522 posts)First you forget names
Then you forget faces
Then you forget to zip up your fly
Then you forget to unzip your fly
marble falls
(57,172 posts)LakeArenal
(28,837 posts)You can believe in science but your faith is for god.
I said I believe in science so I have faith in my doctor.
NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)that the greatest threat to the survival of Democracy would be the ignorance of the people and the arrogance of their leaders.
I've always believed it but never expected I'd see it demonstrated so clearly.
Takket
(21,620 posts)science was science and religion was religion and people understood those two things could coexist peacefully. the exception being evolution which is where for many people science overstepped its bounds...
but setting that aside, there was a medium between the two.
but in today's world the right wing and evangelicals have polarized the two concepts into "teams" and the way for you to "win" if for your "team" to win.
today that cult worships drumpf......... they are a lost generation.... but my hope is if we turn the government blue and get the fuck rid of betsy devos, we might be able to bring the next generation back to reality. it will take decades to undo the damage, and a lot of heartache.
machoneman
(4,007 posts)...oh, yes, we will have a better country for sure! No apologies here for dumbshit MAGATS! None at all...............
subana
(586 posts)republican run states keep making stupid mistakes that will make it more likely that their people will get sick or die. Of course not all of those people will be republican but a majority are!
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)k2qb3
(374 posts)Dogma is a cancer of the consciousness, metastasized via the rationalization of paradox.
Evolution challenges the incorrect solution to the problem of suffering on which all western theology is built. Natural selection is entirely incompatible with The Fall. Climate denial is almost entirely a matter of theology.
No inherent conflicts with deism though, the conflict isn't with God, just dogma.
marble falls
(57,172 posts)machoneman
(4,007 posts)...of a place for sure! Hah!
drmeow
(5,023 posts)plus science teaches critical thinking. Republicans had to convince people to reject critical thinking and science in order to convince them to keep voting for them and to let their masters make profits.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It's pretty sad how under-educated we are compared to other first-world nations. And the worst thing is that so many of us seem to be proud of it.
Silent3
(15,259 posts)...there's sadly plenty of anti-science and pseudo-science on the left too.
stopdiggin
(11,354 posts)I wish I could say in a slightly less belligerent form .. but I fear that is mostly just wishful thinking.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)and still just barely passed.
I didn't know that! So he's always been an idiot!
Midnight Writer
(21,788 posts)The Devil, you see, likes to own the liberal scientists, so he plants false data everywhere to confound them.
An engaging, nice, beautiful lady, very pleasant, but I did not pursue the relationship.
spudspud
(511 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,788 posts)She now has a family and seems to be doing well. She lives on the rich side of town.
I, on the other hand, am spending Friday night alone in my apartment doing edibles and beer and gossiping on DU.
Go figure.
subana
(586 posts)I'd much rather spend time alone instead of listening to someone talk about the devil!!
Midnight Writer
(21,788 posts)subana
(586 posts)in fact, I prefer being alone! You do whatever you like without someone else contradicting with you! I have a kitty & she is all the company I need.
Midnight Writer
(21,788 posts)subana
(586 posts)my kitty is sleeping next to me!! Cats are fun!
subana
(586 posts)I live in Tulsa, Ok (in the bible belt) where there are lots of fundamentalist christians. I know they make crazy statements. They blame the devil for anything & everything! When you have an enemy who can change the way he looks & you believe he wants to tempt you with a variety of things, as they all claim the devil does, it's easy to blame that enemy for anything!
Kind of like conspiracy theories, they can imagine any ridiculous situation, without facts or evidence & they all believe it!
btw, I'm not a christian & don't believe in the devil
Midnight Writer
(21,788 posts)I think it was pretty clear we were not compatible.
Besides, come on, what can you talk about with someone who thinks God is standing beside her writing down every word and the Devil is hiding around the corner waiting to catch her with her guard down?
subana
(586 posts)true, you would not have had much in common & she probably says the same kind of things today!
Flip Wilson has an example of blaming the devil like this...
spudspud
(511 posts)Until the day after the general election in 2016. I was shocked at just how many stupid people there were.
these people mostly voted for a candidate who promotes one conspiracy theory after another!!
Aussie105
(5,425 posts)Evolution? Nah, too complex, I opt out of that!
Drugs can kill you? Nah, I opt out of that!
Climate change? Nah, I opt out of that!
A tiny virus can kill you? Nah, I opt out of that!
Just look at the news and see the people partying, on the beach, carrying on . . . they are all around you!
Demovictory9
(32,472 posts)when it was time to get vaccinated... we got vaccinated.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)Science was respected, and so were scientists. Now, scientists get portrayed as misfits and freaks, like on "The Big Bang Theory." It's sad and discouraging to see how quickly this country has turned into the Idiocracy.
Demovictory9
(32,472 posts)Sgent
(5,857 posts)I was a science overachiever and took every class in HS, and essentially a pre-meds worth of science at two universities.
Maybe 1/2 of the classes I took spent 10 minutes on the scientific method and the philosophy of science -- but I never internalized it until much later in grad school.
HS needs to drop some of the unimportant areas and spend at least one semester teaching the philosophy of science, the scientific method, reasoning, etc. Maybe some basic stats as well.
Most HS students are not going to be scientists -- and even those who will often miss out. Its more important for the general population that they know how and why science works, and less important they know the kreb cycle or dissect a frog.
Solly Mack
(90,780 posts)at people like that (and I do) but mostly it causes me great sadness.
My husband often comes home from work with a need to talk his disgust out. He works with a science denier.
Retired military with an "essential" government job and this particular co-worker is a retired officer.
It's not just a rejection of science either. It is a rejection of education period.
Belief is embraced. Knowledge seems to offend them.
Aussie105
(5,425 posts)Some people have an endless yearning to learn new things and new skills.
It is as if their brains are an endless landscape of questions, inquisitiveness, collecting new thoughts, new ideas, putting bits together to synthesize new concepts, new ways of thinking, new ways of doing things.
Endless space to put things in, endless patience in acquiring new knowledge, experiences, skills.
Other people have a brain that gets to a comfortable but immature place where they think they know it all, have all the understanding they need to get through life, and put up a sign inside their head, on their brain . . . 'closed for business'.
Now I'm not going to denigrate either group, but I do know which group is easily led astray by False, Orange Faced Prophets. And spin you stories, with a straight face, about Good and Bad abstract beings affecting every aspect of their lives.
EDIT: The Evolution vs Creationist debate?
Easily solved!
Science explains the HOW, religion explains the WHY. Believe one or the other, believe both, no harm done.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)and the parents who drag their kids to them every week. We have preachers and parents intentionally undermining the work of the schools, telling the children they'll burn in hell for eternity if they believe the things they're taught in science class.
subana
(586 posts)parents are also to blame! Most of them don't encourage their kids to think for themselves. They take their kids to church as if believing this one path is the only one but it's not!
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Anti-geriphenomenes into the atmosphere which nuetralizes protons in the brain stem and effects the ability for people with a rating of less than 78 geripharbs to follow rational logical abstracts.
I have also heard that is loosening the effects of gravity, albeit in micro-digital amounts so far. I am not 100% convinced on this point although I seem to be experiencing a millisecond of weightlessness when transferring weight from one foot to the other when walking. Or it could be because I lost 18 pounds recently.
hatrack
(59,592 posts)Squidly
(783 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,878 posts)This is one subject that every person should have to take as a requirement to graduate from high school.
If they took one semester/quarter of statistics, maybe they'd know what a valid study is and how many people need to be in a study for it to be considered viable
I guess it is easier to simply listen to some idiot blab away about some study that took place somewhere that had five people in it and brag about the findings, all of which are statistically insignificant straight off for one reason alone -- not enough people in the study!
Ignorance is bliss or so they say!
stopdiggin
(11,354 posts)dispensing on C-19, comes from very small data sets. (and you're right .. it's not very solid .. at all.)
JustGene
(421 posts)I ate this stuff up at 12.
Only finished 8th Gr., but spent many hours in the library w/ my BF
reading about everything from Demonology to Physics.
Born with an insatiable curiosity.
Hard for me to understand not wanting to know.
Maybe that is the key?
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)are usually the same ones who pride themselves on not reading. I have had to endure some really stupid conversations going on around me while waiting for food I ordered at a restaurant or while waiting in line at the grocery store. It's always a situation where I have to endure being around them, because I spend the rest of my time trying to get away from the amount of willfully stupid Trumplodyte types that live where I live.
I have endured this exact conversation going on around me on numerous occasions. One of them will say they haven't read a book since high school. The next one will say they haven't read a book since 8th grade. Next up will be the one who pridefully boasts they never learned to read.
For the record, the "winner" of their little contest, where they are really just being proud of being willfully stupid, is the one who never learned to read. I kid you not. That is something they take pride in. They boast about it like it is a virtue.
They refuse to believe any facts they are taught. I feel for teachers in my area, because those who are like that have parents who are the same. So, even when the teachers try to teach these stupid little spawn, the parents argue with them and re-teach their spawn to ignore the teachers. It's ridiculous.
And for the record, they tried to flunk me in 10th grade. I had straight A's. I missed one too many days, WITH a doctor's note for each of those days. They ended up not flunking me, because my pediatrician informed the principal of my numerous health problems.
Later, I ended up graduating with people who could not read. They graduated because they had perfect attendance. That is how it works where I live. Perfect attendance means automatically getting a high school diploma. Straight As means nothing, if you have health problems.
Is that REALLY a good policy in education? I don't think so. I hate having to endure the willfully stupid olympics when I have to be in line in any given situation in public. Our local education policies ensure I will never get away from the stupid. What a waste of my time getting A's. It meant nothing. Teachers are treading water and getting ignored. Admin types make stupid rules that reward willful stupidity.
underpants
(182,868 posts)I read it! I. Very proud of myself.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,160 posts)Therefore, the results are hard to dispute and manipulate.
Of course, they're hated by those who either don't understand them or worse, those who understand them and can't use them for their purposes.
ProfessorGAC
(65,159 posts)7th grade. Subject those 2 days was.....viruses!
Seventh grade. Also, in October, same deal with evolution.
Shouldn't even take all the way to 10th grade!
DFW
(54,436 posts)We'll be glad to show you how many such people there are!
Chainfire
(17,613 posts)uncomfortable truths, religion provides comfortable fantasies.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,856 posts)Thinkin yall are so smart with your learnin!
handmade34
(22,757 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,856 posts)... widely complained that scientific journals are violating the 1st amendment by omitting nonsense via peer review.
Chainfire
(17,613 posts)It was very interesting.
Botany
(70,567 posts)n/t
mopinko
(70,198 posts)i have had a hard time resisting turning my fb page into math for dummies.
even the docs i see on my teevee have issues.
Gothmog
(145,496 posts)Hopefully these idiots will refuse the vaccines and suffer the consequences