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https://politicalwire.com/2020/04/13/ocasio-cortez-says-biden-has-not-reached-out-to-her/Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) made clear to the New York Times that she intended to support Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee, but said his current overtures to progressives must go further.
Said Ocasio-Cortez: The whole process of coming together should be uncomfortable for everyone involved thats how you know its working. And if Biden is only doing things hes comfortable with, then its not enough.
She also said the Biden campaign has not yet reached out to her.
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jrthin
(4,839 posts)jimfields33
(16,017 posts)monmouth4
(9,711 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)jimfields33
(16,017 posts)PufPuf23
(8,843 posts)Mariana
(14,861 posts)jimfields33
(16,017 posts)PatSeg
(47,649 posts)to how she is behaving. We are in the midst of a global crisis. Maybe other people have more important issues to deal with than catering to her. Ocasio-Cortez needs to start behaving like a congressional representative instead of a celebrity.
jimfields33
(16,017 posts)That word just bothers me for an adult woman. But in big picture, low worry.
PatSeg
(47,649 posts)and normally it might bother me, but in this context, I found it rather appropriate.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,794 posts)You should consider a self-delete.
Kahuna
(27,312 posts)Hekate
(90,865 posts)sweetloukillbot
(11,098 posts)zackymilly
(2,375 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)dem4decades
(11,307 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)mcar
(42,403 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Of course not now due to the technical issue of age, but certainly when he runs for re-election in 2024.
The reality is that AOC is one of the nations real leaders and Biden should be working with her. (regardless of age or position.)
Squidly
(783 posts)At 30 she would not be eligible in 2024 either
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Election is in November of course.
Squidly
(783 posts)I just knew she was 30 now. Thanks
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)Or in 2024.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)That's why I spoke of 2024 when she will turn 35.
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)And you said if not now which indicates you thought it was an option in 2020. Dont feel bad, there are a ton of people here who dont know the age requirements.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)...then in 2024 when she will meet the minimum age requirement."
Don't feel bad, there are tons of people who misinterpret posts here every day.
True Blue American
(17,994 posts)AOC was lucky enough to oust an older Democrat in a Democrat area.
I have seen not one ounce of common sense since she won. She is one of hundreds in Congress.
Joe Biden owes her nothing!
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)They both owe us.
While 200 year old restrictions block her from joining as VP now, that's doesn't mean she's not a leader.
Ask any random under 30 something to name a Congressman and AOC is going to be at the top of the list.
Biden owes US to consult and work with her for OUR benefit.
True Blue American
(17,994 posts)Thinking she is so self important she needs to be catered to! She doesnt!
Biden has more important things to do. He reached out a hand to Bernie and his supporters. I listened to that very important speech.
She is just whining, clamoring for attention. A spoiled child needs to be ignored.Act like one,you deserve it. Those are Trump tactics.
Skittles
(153,224 posts)no indeed
True Blue American
(17,994 posts)I hear it every time she whines again. Like threatening to hold up the relief bill if they did not come back and vote in person. Risking lives.
Skittles
(153,224 posts)she's in your face but with someone like Trump that is exactly what is needed
True Blue American
(17,994 posts)To disagree! I see her as more harm than good. I am an outspoken woman used to speaking my mind, but am also smart enough to know when it is time to listen.
She is an elected Official,I am not. Her candidate lost so cool the jets,get on board the party to win.
Skittles
(153,224 posts)fyi
True Blue American
(17,994 posts)Not you are!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)has a genuine following and thus is a genuine power center, though that could slip away.
So far Biden has been trying to reach out directly to young Americans, which she says she wants. But it's perfectly understandable that she wants to hitch herself to the next POTUS and encourage young people to filter his messages through her. She and hundreds of others busily trying to grab on.
Fescuerescue, Ocasio has a real problem you may not be aware of. She's demonstrated some very serious problems of judgement and principles, for instance allying with anti-Democratic extremists and supporting attempted primary election theft and systematic swiftboating of the Democratic Party. Our leadership know a great deal about her, and worst case may be that they don't think she's the right stuff to bring along. That's just speculation, but for sure others who've proven themselves honorable liberals are also eager to fill the role she has in mind for herself.
In any case, though, give her another 15-20 years, then let her well documented record say who and what she is then. If she's still in government.
PatSeg
(47,649 posts)too fast and a lot of it went to her head. Being elected to congress is an honor and she should show more humility and respect to those who have served for years before her.
I think she is smart and talented, but her tenure in DC will be short if she doesn't start to show some maturity. She could start by saying less and listening more. She has constituents to represent and they didn't elect her to become a media celebrity.
And I will not call her by her initials. That is something that is earned. FDR, JFK, LBJ, RFK, MLK - these people actually accomplished something.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Democratic area is the correct term.
PufPuf23
(8,843 posts)Democratic party members and voters that find what you say offensive and counter productive.
GeorgiaPeanut
(360 posts)and will become a fringe idol
LakeArenal
(28,858 posts)Did she endorse Biden? I missed that.
She burned her bridge for me. She needs to rebuild it. Not Joe.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)One of my angriest days.
I had just read something where Trump had called for cuts to disability (not this article, another one that I can't find).
Trump Calls for Social Security Cuts for the 4th Consecutive Year
https://www.fool.com/retirement/2020/02/21/trump-calls-for-social-security-cuts-for-the-4th-c.aspx
And what do I see soon after on twitter? This absolute load of dung. And nothing at all about Trump.
Link to tweet
Resultant WTF thread:
Different Day Different Surrogate Same Smear - Are They Taking Turns?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287439510
Her tweet was in the AM. A few hours later the screw turned for her as the internet struck back and that snide ass 'I dont understand why some folks run as if the internet doesnt exist' became the day's punchline:
Link to tweet
Yep. She picked the wrong side.
zackymilly
(2,375 posts)lapucelle
(18,361 posts)I can't take the idea that she is a suitable Democratic party leader seriously in the light of that remark.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/aoc-first-year-in-washington.html
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)English picked up both the concept of hubris and the term for that particular brand of cockiness from the ancient Greeks, who considered hubris a dangerous character flaw capable of provoking the wrath of the gods. In classical Greek tragedy, hubris was often a fatal shortcoming that brought about the fall of the tragic hero. Typically, overconfidence led the hero to attempt to overstep the boundaries of human limitations and assume a godlike status, and the gods inevitably humbled the offender with a sharp reminder of his or her mortality.
Did You Know?
To the Greeks, hubris referred to extreme pride, especially pride and ambition so great that they offend the gods and lead to one's downfall. Hubris was a character flaw often seen in the heroes of classical Greek tragedy, including Oedipus and Achilles. The familiar old saying "Pride goeth before a fall" is basically talking about hubris
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hubris#note-1
lapucelle
(18,361 posts)https://www.axios.com/aoc-joe-biden-2020-campaign-bernie-sanders-4cd39100-784a-41d4-aa7a-27f0d9a8ea1a.html
Too many people hate her. She would be a liability. Biden's age makes it imperative that he select someone who people will readily accept as a possible President. Oh, let me take that back. Somebody that sane people could see as President. We already know what SOME people will accept as President.
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)only win in the bluest districts in New York. And she has a well funded primary challenger. I think she needs Biden at the moment for her own reasons perhaps to win reelection.
demosincebirth
(12,544 posts)sop
(10,274 posts)going for Trump, or losing New York state's electoral college vote in November.
I like Ocasio-Cortez. She's a smart, talented, attractive one-term congresswoman who's managed to capture the imagination of young Democratic voters. But, let's face it, Joe's more worried about carrying Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida than gaining traction in the Bronx and Queens.
lapucelle
(18,361 posts)I prefer Ayanna Pressley and Katie Porter.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Understanding Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as a cultural phenomenon
https://arcdigital.media/the-green-new-deal-and-our-manic-pixie-dream-politics-7e6fa348de65
thank you.
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)So far she has no accomplishments
Hekate
(90,865 posts)jorgevlorgan
(8,340 posts)That's my fantasy anyways.
Maru Kitteh
(28,343 posts)WHY HASN'T HE CALLED ME YET?
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)In before the hide
comradebillyboy
(10,178 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,343 posts)State-run media and their natural allies have been MORE than happy to provide her with an outsized profile and credit her with influence she doesn't actually yet possess. There's a reason for that.
karynnj
(59,507 posts)Reading the NYT article, she is speaking of the issues - not of herself as the messenger. She is, however, interpreting the exit polling for primaries to support exactly HER position, when the questions were far more ambiguous.
Many questions asked about universal health care coverage - which can be interpreted as either ACA , expanded with a public option and holes created by the Republicans fixed or Medicare for all. Not that Medicare for all is usually not defined precisely. If it were, it would be closer to Medicaid for all - because Medicare has a premium and only pays 80%. Medicare for all replaced "single payer" because proponents knew that it would be more positively viewed. There were other polls where the hybrid mess - some people getting employer provided insurance and some using ACA - actually polled better than a single payer system where everyone got basic insurance from a government plan.
Arguing that HRC allowing everyone over 50 to join Medicare was better than Biden wanting everyone above 60 to be able to do so. In reality, there are questions on BOTH of these positions. Do they mean that people in those categories could PURCHASE Medicare (as it is now for people over 65)? That was whet the 2009 proposal that Lieberman defeated would have done for everyone 55 or older. I assume that for any plan, it will depend on the CBO analysis which would be done only when the actual details of the plan are spelled out. I would suspect that the RESULT would be identical for either the HRC or the Biden "program". The age, the cost and how it is worked out will be defined by what could pass the House and Senate.
On other issues, like climate change, I give her credit for energizing some people who were complacent before, but I think more respect should be given to people - like John Kerry - who actually pulled off getting the UN's countries all behind a goal to move in the right direction. That was no easy feat -- and he was the first to say it was not enough. She agrees that it was not enough, but ignores that it was a necessary first step to getting the world to act. I KNOW her goals are tougher, but I have seen nothing defining how she would get there. Yet, I concede that Inslee, who had both accomplishments and a serious plan did not engender the excitement she did. The question is how Biden could enlist the scientists, the statesmen AND people like AOC who speak for many in her generation.
On immigration, she makes many many good points.
I wonder if her goal is not to have someone on the Biden team reach out to her and to try to define how she could help Biden, preserving her own identity - without which she would be no value to Biden or herself.
GeorgiaPeanut
(360 posts)crickets
(25,987 posts)I really want to like her but sometimes she makes it difficult.
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phylny
(8,390 posts)still_one
(92,454 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)She's not the queen, you know, who must be given fealty. There are 232 Democratic representatives in Congress, and there is, you know, a shelter-in-place situation around the nation. Biden is busy trying to figure out how to run a campaign from his basement, and staff is spread around in their own habitats.
I'd say, settle down.
demigoddess
(6,645 posts)Phoenix61
(17,021 posts)delisen
(6,046 posts)Docreed2003
(16,883 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)samnsara
(17,650 posts)Docreed2003
(16,883 posts)Maybe she needs to recognize that, no matter her media presence, she is still a freshman rep and a newcomer to the party. I'm sure Biden's people will reach out in due time. So sorry he didn't reach out to you immediately, not like there are a few more important things in this moment.
Happy Hoosier
(7,425 posts)YOU should be contacting THEM.
Tech
(1,773 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)RandySF
(59,414 posts)Skittles
(153,224 posts)ya know?
mcar
(42,403 posts)If so, she could have answered something like, "I'll be reaching out to the Biden campaign soon so we can talk about working together for a Blue Wave in 2020."
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,899 posts)AOC apparently hasn't figured out that she's not as important as she seems to think she is, and that the so-called "progressive" movement as formerly spearheaded by Sanders does not represent anywhere near a majority of Democrats. Seems to me that the reaching out should come from AOC, like, "How can we help?" if they are serious about getting rid of Trump.
brooklynite
(94,792 posts)Not clear why a first term House member is a safe Blue district deserves priority.
GeorgiaPeanut
(360 posts)I think it is time to defeat this woman in the primary and get a REAL Democrat elected.
Perhaps congressman Cuellar can come and campaign for her opponent to let her know how it feels.
EllieBC
(3,042 posts)How can I make today more about me??
Sure seems that way.
Me.
(35,454 posts)to the people in her district who feel neglected, or so it's said.
Takket
(21,644 posts)the nomination?
maybe they do... i don't know.
snowybirdie
(5,241 posts)reached out directly to him? Or will she just birch about his lack of respect for her?
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... with the VP. So I'm not surprised that OAC is not on his list.
SaintLouisBlues
(1,244 posts)I'll have to get back to the trash thread feature I guess.
JustAnotherGen
(31,937 posts)NY State is a sure thing. Welcome to being a Representative in a Blue State. I've lived in NY - and NJ. Candidates don't need to woo us. That includes you.
And if Biden DOES go out - he needs to go the flipped districts. NJ-7th is one. Malinowski will need his help - as a moderate - you don't. Your folks will vote for you anyways.
Sincerely,
A Moderate Democratic Party Member
Squinch
(51,051 posts)awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)She should've been Biden's FIRST CALL!!!!
Just kidding. Who is she again?
c-rational
(2,596 posts)is simply not true. Why start an argument with a falsehood?
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)When is she gonna learn.
p.s. now to her important concerns:
LakeArenal
(28,858 posts)In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party, but in America, we are, Ocasio-Cortez said. When asked how she would fit in with a possible Biden administration, her initial response was, Oh, God.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-slams-dem-centrists-as-tea-party-of-the-left-suggests-biden-shouldnt-be-in-same-party.amp
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)p.s. good catch!
LakeArenal
(28,858 posts)AOC labels the Democrat Party 'center-conservative' and claims America doesn't have a 'left' as she complains they can't even get a floor vote on Medicare-for-all
By Leah Simpson For Dailymail.com
03:51 21 Jan 2020, updated 12:57 21 Jan 2020
AOC made similar comments about the Democrat Party in a magazine this month: 'They let anybody who the cat dragged in call themselves a progressive'
Sleepy Joe Biden has a very serious problem with his own party.
"Too Old, Too White, Too Obama"
BRUTAL: Ocasio-Cortez Disses Joe Biden NOT Interested in Going Backwards (VIDEO
Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/elections/3040870-wow-brutal-ocasio-cortez-disses-joe.html#ixzz6JVYaMDWb
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,794 posts)Those are some months off - though.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Runningdawg
(4,526 posts)Nululu
(842 posts)DFW
(54,448 posts)Maybe I'm over-estimating my importance in the whole scheme of things.
Maybe I'm not the only one.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)OrlandoDem2
(2,070 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)If not, then I would think the reasonable thing to do would be to try that *IF* her motivation is to oust Dump.
Just my 2 cents.
quickesst
(6,283 posts).... he won't be doing it anytime soon either. The last thing anyone needs at the office is a brat underfoot.
Indykatie
(3,697 posts)What was she supposed to say?
lapucelle
(18,361 posts)for some reason. Perhaps she is the one who is only doing things that she feels comfortable with.
I'd like to see her begin to build bridges by addressing some of the things she said about the Democratic Party, the Progressive caucus, and Joe Biden specifically to New York Magazine.
The same goes for the party as a whole: Democrats can be too big of a tent.
It is comments like that that kept Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of the Democratic Party from reaching any kind of meaningful détente. I asked her what she thought her role would be as a member of Congress during, for instance, a Joe Biden presidency. Oh God, she said with a groan. In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party, but in America, we are.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/aoc-first-year-in-washington.html
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)lapucelle
(18,361 posts)Not everyone is going to like her or agree with her. She's made her feelings clear. Others are equally entitled to do the same.
From her profile in New York Magazine.
The same goes for the party as a whole: Democrats can be too big of a tent.
It is comments like that that kept Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of the Democratic Party from reaching any kind of meaningful détente. I asked her what she thought her role would be as a member of Congress during, for instance, a Joe Biden presidency. Oh God, she said with a groan. In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party, but in America, we are.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/aoc-first-year-in-washington.html
Progressive dog
(6,921 posts)AOC needs to realize that Biden has won without her help. He owes nothing to her.
Biden won because he is supported by the vast majority of the Democratic party. That's easy for AOC to understand, the party had other choices with perhaps a few that were more to AOC's liking, but they didn't win.
calguy
(5,338 posts)Other than the fact that she's a far out in left field first term congress woman who likes to make waves, where's the incentive?
Joe's got bigger fish to fry than to "reach out" to AOC.
calguy
(5,338 posts)MineralMan
(146,338 posts)It doesn't work the way she thinks it does. The proper thing is a communication sent to the presumptive nominee that says:
"Congratulations Vice-President Biden! How can I help in your upcoming campaign?"
That is how you do that.
PatSeg
(47,649 posts)Very simple and respectful. She has been in government for such a short time, she still doesn't know basic protocols. Being she is one of the "new kids", she might spend less time being a media celebrity and more time watching and listening to those who have more experience.
Sometimes the brightest flame burns out the fastest.
The Magistrate
(95,257 posts)Should she choose to reach out to him.
I like Rep. Ocasio-Corte, and want her to remain in Congress and have a fruitful political career as left progressive Representative or better.
But people on the left of the Party, even stars of the left, need to get over the idea the Party's left-center and center-left majority has to court and woo and even placate them. The left is a minority faction, and a minority faction needs to reach out to the majority, seeking to co-operate, and to demonstrate its reliability.
"Can't nobody here play this game?"
Vivienne235729
(3,384 posts)and is getting a bit ahead of herself. He's kinda busy vetting his vp, pick members of his cabinet, etc. Christ. Smdh....
LisaM
(27,843 posts)That sounds chaotic and disruptive.
I know that the tech crowd loves disrupting everything, but I bet there are some gig economy workers right now with zero job protection, zero benefits, and things like car payments due so they can do their gig job who might be questioning that right now.
JT45242
(2,304 posts)I am just wondering how many junior representatives with less than 1 term Biden has contacted?
How many second term representatives? Third term?
There are a lot of people above you in the food chain, AOC.
You might want to look at your primary challengers and think about how best to make certain that you don't lose that.
I don't expect the CEO of my company to reach out to me personally ... so why would a first term rep think that she should jump the line to the front of people for the "CEO" of the Democratic party.
W_HAMILTON
(7,876 posts)She endorsed Sanders and was actively campaigning for him as recently as just a couple of weeks ago?
Sanders just finally suspended his campaign, what, less than a week ago? Chill out, freshman Congressperson.
tirebiter
(2,539 posts)Take along Jill and Sharice Davids. Maybe Obama for a fourth and play hearts
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Read the whole Q&A, please, before you starting dissing AOC's response to this simple question. . .
"Q. I guess my first question is simple: Has the Biden campaign reached out to you?
A. No."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/us/politics/aoc-progressives-joe-biden.html
You may agree or disagree with AOC's answers in the Q&A, but you may want to read them before you respond to click bait.
comradebillyboy
(10,178 posts)have done what you suggest.
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)And who knows? Maybe Joe will end up endorsing one of her primary opponents.
Hekate
(90,865 posts)Apparently the afterglow from Bernie's rallies hasn't quite faded.
Also, how's things in her home district? Just asking.
Hekate
(90,865 posts)...may be cut short.
I hope calling her jejeune will pass the purity test here.
madaboutharry
(40,234 posts)I went to high school with people like her.
Gothmog
(145,666 posts)SiliconValley_Dem
(1,656 posts)So lets get after it.