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SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 10:44 PM Apr 2020

10 coronavirus-unit nurses are suspended, potentially for weeks, for refusing to work without N95 ma

[link:https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/us/california-coronavirus-nurses-suspended-trnd/index.html|

Ten nurses were placed on administrative leave from Providence Saint John's Health Center in Santa Monica, California, for demanding they be given N95 masks while treating Covid-19 patients, two of the nurses told CNN.

Two nurses at PSJHC told CNN that they, along with eight other nurses, were suspended with pay after refusing to enter coronavirus patient rooms on April 9 without N95 masks.
The hospital said there were no N95 masks for them and insisted they wear surgical masks instead, the nurses said​, even though other healthcare workers at the hospital were provided N95 masks.

In a photo shared with CNN, taken after nurses refused to enter Covid patient rooms inside the facility, eight nurses are seen with seven raising their fists inside PSJHC.

More at link.

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10 coronavirus-unit nurses are suspended, potentially for weeks, for refusing to work without N95 ma (Original Post) SheltieLover Apr 2020 OP
The nurses are doing the right thing. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2020 #1
Absolutely! SheltieLover Apr 2020 #2
The hospital is "cutting off its nose to spite its face". Totally Tunsie Apr 2020 #3
Availability of N95s is the key. Suspended WITH pay is not worse thing. Hoyt Apr 2020 #4
Labor and delivery nurses got N95 masks, Covid-19 nurses didn't Celerity Apr 2020 #5
I read the article, would like to see why, and confirmation. Hoyt Apr 2020 #6
I am sure it will all shake out in the end. nt Celerity Apr 2020 #7
Hospitals around the country are begging for nurses right now. tavernier Apr 2020 #8
No Jury would side with the hospital in a civil case. BrightKnight Apr 2020 #9

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
3. The hospital is "cutting off its nose to spite its face".
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 11:01 PM
Apr 2020

Not a lot of forethought there - they'll need those ten nurses more than the nurses need to be exposed to COVID.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Availability of N95s is the key. Suspended WITH pay is not worse thing.
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 11:11 PM
Apr 2020

If there were no N95s, not sure hospitals could sit by and say that’s fine, no need to treat patients..

On other hand, if N95s were available, hospital got some splainin to do and reversal of suspension.

Celerity

(43,447 posts)
5. Labor and delivery nurses got N95 masks, Covid-19 nurses didn't
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 11:18 PM
Apr 2020

Gulick and Cline told CNN the hospital would not give them N95 masks when they asked for them.
They said they only were given surgical masks while doctors, technicians and clinicians that were involved with the treatment of coronavirus patients were given N95 masks.
The nurses say they doubted the hospital's claim it was low on N95 masks because they saw so many colleagues wearing the masks. The nurses said all the coronavirus unit nurses were given surgical masks.
Aidem described that characterization as incorrect, saying, "N95s are required when clinicians perform aerosolizing procedures," or any procedures that could cause moisture from the patient to enter the air.
But the nurses say other employees not treating Covid-19 patients, like labor and delivery nurses, were given N95 masks.

CNN spoke with Lizabeth Baker Wade, a labor and delivery nurse at PSJHC and union labor representative at the hospital, who confirmed she had access to N95 respirators "whenever we have asked for them."
Baker Wade took the photo of the nurses protesting on April 9.
"N95s are always available on all units to be used for emergencies and aerosolizing procedures," Aidem said, when asked to explain why some hospital units like labor and delivery nurses were given N95 masks. "All of our clinicians are provided the proper equipment based on patient acuity, and in accordance with CDC recommendations."
Although the nursing staff had been upset for weeks over the lack of N95 masks, Gulick and Cline say two factors pushed the staff over the edge.

On April 6, PSJHC Covid unit nurse Angela Gatdula tested positive for the virus. She told CNN in the weeks prior to her getting coronavirus, she had been treating coronavirus patients while wearing a surgical mask.
AIdem says whenever a hospital employee contracts a contagious illness, the hospital investigates in accordance with state laws. She did not know whether that investigation has begun or had determined how Gatdula contracted coronavirus.
The next morning, news spread around the hospital that Gatdula had tested positive. Cline and Gulick told CNN they spoke with some doctors at the hospital who were surprised the nurses still didn't have the masks.

Nurses remain suspended even after policy change

Gulick says that he and other protesting nurses were then called in, one by one, to a meeting room with hospital administrators.
In that room, administrators read a pre-written script, saying their refusal to treat the patients constituted abandonment and negligence, Gulick said. If they refused, Gulick and Cline said, the hospital threatened to report the nurses to the California Board of Registered Nursing.
Aidem refused to comment on that, citing PSJHC policy to not comment on personnel issues to protect their employees' privacy
"We all said to them, 'No, we are not refusing the assignment, but we are refusing to take care of these patients without being offered the minimal protection of the N95 mask,'" Gulick says. "And they said, 'We cannot provide that to you.'"
After asking the nurses three times to treat the patients, hospital administrators told Gulick he was suspended and to leave the building, Gulick said.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. I read the article, would like to see why, and confirmation.
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 11:34 PM
Apr 2020

Would also like to know how long patients were without care, who finally provided it, and whether they had N95s.

Don’t deny their right not to endanger their lives, but I’d like to know more about how patient needs were handled and other details.

BrightKnight

(3,567 posts)
9. No Jury would side with the hospital in a civil case.
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 08:25 PM
Apr 2020

I don’t know much about law but I know the hospital is definitely going to lose.

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