He truly believes that Hillary would have been just as bad.

As I said, I try to stay politically silent. Every time I say "Hillary would not have done this." "He says, maybe not, but she's a corporatist and she would not have fixed the country for the working people."

Nothing else seems to matter to him.

NOTHING.

"Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." He needs to ponder the meaning of that old adage.

I live in a purple/red state - so every vote counts. My daughter (at least as of the day Bernie dropped out) and (at least) two friends are in the same situation. one is in a blue state (the one who is less stable - so I a grateful I can ignore it); the other two are in states where every vote matters. I suspect both will vote the right way - but I'm givine them space.

states were traditionally blue, and too many people "didn't fret it"

There is no doubt in my mind that the vast majority of Sanders supporters will be voting for the Democratic nominee

Why every vote is important for the Democratic nominee regardless of the state, is to send the message loud and clear, how much the country detest the nazi in the WH

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/11/25/those-who-failed-recognize-trump-greater-evil-made-bad-mistake-chomsky

Not purple states, or states Trump won, or came close to winning in, in 2016. (All the states you mentioned are in the latter, not the former, category)

I've been jumping all over people who are posting "When we win" and reminding them of 2016. But there is a distinction between believing that the election is a slam dunk, and recognizing that there are certain states that will (for the foreseeable near future) be red or blue. Far too many people took a win in 2016 for granted and (1) didn't vote or (2) did a protest vote for a third party candidate to show President Clinton she needed to listen to more liberal voices or - not expecting their votes to help Trump win.

to send the message how much trump is detested

People of good will can differ over the relative importance of competing principles.

I disagree with them, but they are all extremely principled people, at least two of which have engaged in civil disobedience in furtherance of those principles.(i.e. putting their lives and freedom at risk because they disagreed so strongly in actions the government was taking)

(2) he does not address what I was talking about - people who are living in states that (at least for the forseeable future) will be landslide blue states whose votes will not change the outcome of the presidential election.

Putin will be very happy to see sanders supporters not vote

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Thanks.

She is busy with work and three children. She spent a day shopping for 3 households. A whole day going to three markets to find what was needed. The kids do not want my sister or myself in the store.

It was the first time in months I saw her and the kids. We sat outside on the cold deck apart from each other. No one but my sister and I are allowed in the house because of mom.

I miss my family.

Hugs.

No, you don't vote Democratic this year than you are not a progressive of any sort.

I don't care where they live. We need a landslide and as much popular vote as we can get...anyone who stays at home, votes for Stein or whoever or writes in Sanders or anyone else's name is a fucking traitor to this country and the Democratic party...and I don't care what the hell their 'problem' with the primary was...boohoo. Everyone had a fair shot Biden won. Now if you are a Democrat you vote blue period end of story...otherwise you are a Republican and help reelect Trump or make it close enough for a steal by Republicans.

I will hate those who voted for Jill Stein, stayed home...wrote in a name in 16...didn't vote for the Democratic nominee (the only one who could stop Trump and the same is true today) until the day I die. These folks have blood on their hands. And I have no interest in their what I consider whining...selfish care for nobodies if you ask me. Trump has kill thousands of Americans, put babies in cages and starved the poor among other horrors. If these folks are not motivated to vote for Joe Biden a decent man who was Pres. Obama's VP then they can get lost as far as I am concerned. I am sick of their sniveling.

"One cannot vacillate or remain neutral between a house on fire versus the fire brigade."

In this case, the fire brigade may not be of your liking but to use it as a "principle" will only make the house burn down and perhaps surrounding houses as well.

Similarly, not everyone passionate about something is "principled" - some do it for attention, some do it for ego and many are just plain stupid. Have you ever been to a gathering of the "flat earth society?" They are also very passionate about their position but to call them principled is an abomination.

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and happy we're together in MD.

My wife is a German citizen and votes here in Germany.

I vote absentee back in Texas. We flipped my home district (TX-32) last time, and I doubt we'll go for Biden or ditch Cornyn, but it's not forbidden to dream! If Trump keeps acting more and more like a candidate for a straitjacket, and Abbott and Cornyn continue to lick his ass, well, even Texas has a breaking point.

My husband's Japanese and I don't pay much attention to politics here. I make him promise to vote for women candidates when he can, but I have no idea who he ends up voting for, too many parties to keep track of. Once he came home from voting excited because there was an I Love Vinegar Party on the ballot.

at least they are American corporations not Russian mobsters

the current occupant literally represents the Russian mob and no one else

I also await the definition of "establishment."

or something if he were president.

"Centrist" and "corporatist" = person who does not hate capitalism, does not think the U.S. will ever turn into a fantasy Socialistprogressiveswedenland. I'm curious just what they thought Sanders could do.

Just curious if you forgot or are avoiding answering.

"To put them in perspective, I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. “Can I interest you in the chicken?” she asks. “Or would you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broken glass in it?”

To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked."

This is a case of deciding that starvation is preferable to either the chicken or the platter of shit with bits of broken glass...

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/10/27/undecided

We are African-American.

He's not the only black Bernie supporter I know. I can think of two others, and one of them is still bashing Biden. The other one is keeping her mouth shut on the issue.

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The "burn it down" rather than select someone less than perfect to continue civilization is more the realm of men, and women who draw their identity and power from the men they align with than those of us who are thinking things through.

Lysistrata --- know her, love her, be her.

There is no such thing as a safe blue state. That is what everyone said last time and look what we got.

47,839 dead...and counting.

you have my permission!

and countered it with recent clips of Biden speaking. It's something for which there is no evidence that right-wingers too continue asserting.

It's not Bernie. I hope he wasn't serious about the alternative.

"Bernie or die" doesn't leave a lot of room for compromise, especially with the "Bernie" option now deleted.

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Not suggesting you should- that crap would put me over the edge.

A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Trump.

He can try to make excuses for it just like the Trump Trash demanding everything open up claiming it's about Freedom or some shit .

If you watch a football game where Michigan is playing Ohio and everyone is betting on a winner, why would you put your money on Notre Dame? Because you like the fighting Irish better? Well good luck to you, but they aren’t playing.

Sorry, but I have those in my family who can only relate to a sports metaphor when it comes to politics, so that’s the one I use.

The turnout models may not be the same as they usually are. Everyone needs to vote for who they feel comfortable handling this crisis through 2022.

Tell your husband that the choice is binary: trump or Biden. Who does he want handling this crisis and the next? Because trump isn't learning anything from his mistakes. He views everything he does as perfect. Meanwhile, he's actually creating new crises as I type!