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getagrip_already

(14,838 posts)
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 10:18 AM Apr 2020

Latest pandemic shortage: Cheese? Aren't farmers pouring milk out onto the ground?

So we tried wegmans delivery for the first time. Our "shopper" was texting questions about substitutions. When he got to the cheese aisle he said they didn't have our choices and he'd have to move on. My wife kept offering alternatives and he was saying they were out. He finally texted her a picture of a completely empty cheese reefer section to make a point.

I'd post it but I can't upload it and it isn't on the net anywhere.

My kids told me a lot of stores are out of cheese in the area.

So we have a brain dead stimulus system where farmers are losing millions of dollars being forced to throw out a product which can easily be made into a commodity that is in short supply.

Where has common sense gone? Isn't this directly in the GOP wheelhouse? Save farmers. Capitalism.

Sheesh. We are definitely in the twilight zone.



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Latest pandemic shortage: Cheese? Aren't farmers pouring milk out onto the ground? (Original Post) getagrip_already Apr 2020 OP
Capitalism is not designed to deal with excess capacity or disruptions in logistics. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2020 #1
This, the problem is logistics, not capitalism Amishman Apr 2020 #16
my point is that capitalism is exactly the problem. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2020 #18
Dairy farmers who sell bulk milk have contracts with processors. MineralMan Apr 2020 #2
I worked on a dairy farm in the 70's..... getagrip_already Apr 2020 #5
"Any Norwegian Jarlsberger, per chance?" "No" htuttle Apr 2020 #3
Just about my favorite Monty Python sketch wryter2000 Apr 2020 #7
"plenty of cheese"? In Wisconsin? I'm shocked! JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2020 #12
I can't get antacids wryter2000 Apr 2020 #4
I'm just guessing here, but could it be that demand has exceeded supply? Arkansas Granny Apr 2020 #6
How long is it going to take? wryter2000 Apr 2020 #8
Really? Igel Apr 2020 #9
Down here in South Florida the farmers are just turning over the crops that can't be picked mitch96 Apr 2020 #10
Commercial vs. small batch cheese Tracer Apr 2020 #11
farmers are on multiple sources of taxpayer funded welfare - they are paid every way msongs Apr 2020 #13
One of the issues is that cheese is not an instantaneous product. Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #14
A significant amount of cheese is sold in bulk to schools and other institutions, fast food joints, muriel_volestrangler Apr 2020 #15
Currently fighting gout... Cheese is an important part JCMach1 Apr 2020 #17
You can order cheese online Raftergirl Apr 2020 #19

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,439 posts)
1. Capitalism is not designed to deal with excess capacity or disruptions in logistics.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 10:20 AM
Apr 2020

The whole point is to eliminate redundancies, and when there are no redundancies, we get empty cheese shelves while farmers dump milk.

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
16. This, the problem is logistics, not capitalism
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:23 PM
Apr 2020

They are dumping milk because it is perishable, they can't store it, they can't get it to anyone who wants/can use it.

MineralMan

(146,331 posts)
2. Dairy farmers who sell bulk milk have contracts with processors.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 10:25 AM
Apr 2020

They have no way to sell their milk except to those processors. The milk is stored in tanks until a truck comes to pick it up. If the truck doesn't come, the cows will still produce milk, but the farmer has no place to store it, and milk is a perishable commodity.

I worked in a small dairy when I was in high school, back in the 1960s. Mostly, I delivered milk in bottles to customers on an early morning milk delivery route, but I also worked at the dairy, too. Each day's production from the herd of dairy cows was processed at that dairy and bottled. Every day. Few dairies operate that way now. The owner of the dairy where I worked knew how much milk he needed to deliver each day, and had a dairy herd that produced about that much on a daily basis.

Today's dairy farms sell the milk from their storage tanks, directly to a dairy processing company. They don't have any other customers. They have no processing equipment. Just tanks.

getagrip_already

(14,838 posts)
5. I worked on a dairy farm in the 70's.....
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 10:57 AM
Apr 2020

We sold to a coop who would pick the milk up directly from our tanks. The only time we would have had to dump milk would have been because they refused it for bacteria count or antibiotic violations (which we never had).

But other farmers in the same coop did run afoul of the coop and had them put on a pickup hold for several weeks.

They would just call a local cheese producer and they would come and get the milk, albeit at a lower price. Some of the smaller farms even made their own cheese. It was always kind of scary that they could sell milk after they were caught putting milk with antibiotics into the system (cows are frequently treated for udder infections with locally administered antibiotics - but you are supposed to dump the milk and not put it in your tank).

This was in upstate ny. So there was a way to do it, even under contract.

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
3. "Any Norwegian Jarlsberger, per chance?" "No"
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 10:29 AM
Apr 2020


Sounds like a consumer supply chain issue. I'm up near the headwaters of the cheese supply here in WI, and it's true that some farmers are dumping milk and other farm perishables, since they are only set up to sell to (now closed) restaurant and institutional supply chains, and they don't have anywhere to put the excess. But otherwise, there seems to be plenty of cheese in the stores.


wryter2000

(46,082 posts)
7. Just about my favorite Monty Python sketch
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 11:58 AM
Apr 2020

And there’s nothing really funny about it. It’s all in the delivery.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,367 posts)
12. "plenty of cheese"? In Wisconsin? I'm shocked!
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 02:09 PM
Apr 2020

I'd bet Vermont has quite a bit as well.

kidding

I bought cheese in MI yesterday, no shortage that I could see. But, I didn't buy Norwegian Jarlsberger, I got the Swiss Gruyere, and some Vermont white cheddar.

wryter2000

(46,082 posts)
4. I can't get antacids
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 10:48 AM
Apr 2020

I almost had a meltdown about butter until some came yesterday.

Okay. Jokes about butter melting. 3...2...1

Arkansas Granny

(31,532 posts)
6. I'm just guessing here, but could it be that demand has exceeded supply?
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 11:33 AM
Apr 2020

There have been shortages on several grocery items at the store where I shop. Rice, dried beans, flour, yeast to name just a few, not to mention paper products and disinfectants.

Many people are stocking up like they are preparing for the apocalypse. It's going to take some time for supply chains to even out so these shortages won't continue.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
9. Really?
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 12:23 PM
Apr 2020

Got some last week.

A lot of places now limit it. Sadly, people buy their limit every week.

Also sadly, when this is tamped own the toilet paper manufacturers will hit a real slump until all the excess toilet paper people have bought is flushed out of the system. So to speak.

mitch96

(13,925 posts)
10. Down here in South Florida the farmers are just turning over the crops that can't be picked
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 12:35 PM
Apr 2020

Saw this on the local news. Nobody to pick, no restaurants to sell to... Now they are just giving it away. You can drive down to Homestead and go out to the farmers fields and pick as much as you want..
Food banks are stocking up and they have no one to pick the stuff. Strange times..
m

Tracer

(2,769 posts)
11. Commercial vs. small batch cheese
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 12:45 PM
Apr 2020

My grocery has two separate cases for cheese.

One, over by the milk and eggs, contains commercially packaged cheese (Kraft, Cabot etc.) and there's not much of it left in the cases.

The other cheese case is for small batch, local and imported cheese. There is plenty of those types of cheeses available. Possibly because the price of some of those cheeses is extremely high.

msongs

(67,443 posts)
13. farmers are on multiple sources of taxpayer funded welfare - they are paid every way
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 02:36 PM
Apr 2020

grow it, there's a subsidy
dump it, there's a subsidy
do nothing there's a subsidy

Ms. Toad

(34,092 posts)
14. One of the issues is that cheese is not an instantaneous product.
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 02:41 PM
Apr 2020

So even if the farmers were able to contract with new cheese producers (1) they likely only have equipment to make the quantity of cheese to meet normal requirements and (2) they might be unwilling to gear up to meet a need that may not exist when the cheese is ready 4 weeks to a year from now.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,364 posts)
15. A significant amount of cheese is sold in bulk to schools and other institutions, fast food joints,
Sun Apr 19, 2020, 05:03 PM
Apr 2020

and so on. Most of those have shut down. The packaging process has to change to redirect the cheese to the supermarkets, which are selling more to people eating at home more - and that's if it's the same types sold in each case.

It will balance out, but it takes time.

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