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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe evidence you need to see regarding Reade and Biden
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/4/29/1941307/-The-evidence-you-need-to-see-regarding-Reade-and-Bidenhttps://archive.li/6ykxK
Then there is the fact that Times Up Legal Defense Fund referred Reade to multiple attorneys at its partner firm, the National Women's Law Center. They unanimously declined to work with her, because, as they expressed it, she was requesting PR assistance rather than legal representation:
www.salon.com/...https://www.salon.com/2020/03/31/a-woman-accuses-joe-biden-of-sexual-assault-and-all-hell-breaks-loose-online-heres-what-we-know/
Then there are the heaps upon heaps of Reades own online postings and documented contradictions in her multiple and ever-changing stories:
medium.com/...https://medium.com/eddiekrassenstein/evidence-casts-doubt-on-tara-reades-sexual-assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460
After extensive interviews with Tara Reade, The New Yorkers Ronan Farrow and the New York Timess Jodi Kantor and Megan Twohey all of whom won Pulitzer Prizes for their meticulous coverage of the 2017 Harvey Weinstein investigation refused to report on her story, because there were too many inconsistencies and claims which could not be substantiated.
Next, there is her former employer, who says she has papers and emails to prove Tara Reade stole from her charity:
medium.com/...https://medium.com/eddiekrassenstein/biden-accuser-tara-reade-allegedly-stole-from-a-non-profit-organization-e276cac68a2b
Next, we have Reade claiming initially that Biden simply made her uncomfortable by touching her shoulders. She later changed her claim, stating he had complimented her legs. Finally, she upped the ante IMMEDIATELY AFTER BIDEN WAS NAMED THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, claiming he JAMMED HIS FINGERS INTO HER IN THE SENATE HALLWAY.
Lastly, in 2018, Reade had been writing multiple gushing posts praising Vladimir Putin, some of which were actually written in Russian.
This is a Republican dirty trick. Dont fall for it. Pass it on.
ALSO, THIS TWITTER THREAD: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1255469692006936584.html
Wounded Bear
(58,698 posts)mikewv
(127 posts)Gothmog
(145,496 posts)Cha
(297,561 posts)CousinIT
(9,256 posts)Link to tweet
Moulton was supposed to be her most important witness, he told news outlets a story that didn't corroborated Tara Reades story.
Cha
(297,561 posts)Butterflylady
(3,547 posts)I believe she a thing for Biden and she got rebuffed by him and this is her revenge.
Anybody, and I mean anybody that knows Biden knows dam well that this is all made up in her twisted and demented mind. Like it or not, this woman needs help.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)But while possible, there's no evidence of that at this time, and I am not going to just jump to conclusions. Biden himself said that women who are brave enough to come forward should start off with a presumption of truth. I think there are many things to rebut that presumption here, but I don't think it's fair to make assumptions that she hit on him and was rebuffed. It is possible, but let's not jump to conclusions.
joost5
(421 posts)$10 says she's been set up as another "what aboutism" to counter drumpf's CREDIBLE sexual assault accusations.
Zeus69
(391 posts)I get concerned reading recent headlines (not about Biden being guilty, but of the narrative). These are just from today. When it first surfaced, I didn't give it much thought (hard to do with news cycle these days anyway). Now, it's getting louder. Is Joe going to get Franken'd?
Trump not likely to say much but others who don't want to see Biden succeed will carry the water on it. Even some "democrats"...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/tara-reade-assault-allegation-democrats-frustration-mounts-as-biden-remains-silent/ar-BB13ob7m?li=BBnb7Kz
https://www.yahoo.com/news/tara-reades-allegations-could-bring-095000932.html
dustyscamp
(2,225 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)GOP insiders sitting in smoke filled rooms are molding any crap they can pretend into a ball shape, and throwing that pretense at the wall hoping it sticks.
All other crap they've thrown at that wall slid down immediately. No objective reason to believe this will be any different.
Biden's an inherently decent man. Adults know this.
The only ones who will pretend it's a valid concern aren't voting for him regardless.
CousinIT
(9,256 posts)The info should be sent to the authors of these articles - publicly. If the info regarding inconsistencies not included, then their articles are simply trying to smear Biden rather than factually report the story -- and they can and should be told so. Publicly.
Raven123
(4,862 posts)Martin Eden
(12,875 posts)I will definitely use it.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I worked with someone like her. She tried to sue our boss who we all loved to pieces saying he had "put the moves on her" while they were traveling to a conference. However, there was never a time when they were alone. She tried 10 different attorneys, they all told her no. One who took the time to interview she and our boss came away telling her that if she sued she might end up being counter sued for defamation of character.
DFW
(54,436 posts)Well, we could, but then it would be open the charge of sexism.
Manipulative women are like manipulative men: manipulative. This one has an agenda, and it had nothing to do with Joe Biden at all.
Republicans are combing the past of every prominent Democrat just looking for something and someONE to "come forward" and make an accusation--ANY accusation. Their media then run with it. Attorneys pop up to help "because it's the right thing." If the accusation is baseless, it still can't be ignored, because the Republicans will milk it for all the damage they can cause. Being innocent is not. This is the Napoleonic code: guilty until proven innocent.
Ever since the presidential election of 1968, the Republican team pulling this crap during an election has had an official name: "The Dirty Tricks Team." Nixon was proud of his. After all, they helped him into the White House. One of them became a media coordinator for the Nixon White House, and 30 years later was the head of Fox "News."
They are more sophisticated now, higher tech, paid legal advice, etc. but their goal is the same--accuse prominent Democrats of something for which they can't instantly prove their innocence, and an act of sexual harassment that never happened is perfect for the situation. It gets free headlines, loses valuable time for the accused in setting up a defense, and causes detrimental distraction: a defense against a bogus charge gets as much publicity as a defense against a legitimate charge. If the accused gets "reasonable doubts" planted in the mind of his allies to the point where they cease to be his allies, the battle is already won. Just ask Al Franken what THAT feels like.
These bogus accusations are not the friend of women who genuinely HAVE been harassed, because every phony charge makes doubts over every legitimate charge that much difficult to overcome. Leeann Tweeden and Tara Reade are not your friends or your allies. They just coincidentally happen to share the same chromasomes.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)who was set up by Roger Stone. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Stone was some how in contact with this woman, coaching her along on how to engage in ratfuckery. Remember, it was Stone who said 24 hours before Leeann Tweeden broke her "story" that it was "Franken's time in the barrel." At that time, no one knew what he was referencing.
BComplex
(8,060 posts)Just ask Obama about a birth certificate.
There are manipulative people of all sexes, all races, and all political persuasions. And CROOKS & shysters of all sexes, races and political persuasions. The documentation against this woman's allegations is substantial enough that Biden should go on the offense if he doesn't want to be Frankened.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)We can't sit back and let him get swiftboated. The Biden campaign needs to go on offense - defense isn't enough.
JI7
(89,262 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)It makes me sick to think of the harm done to real victims by those who manipulate, change their stories, using falsehoods for pure benefit.
Her History of loving Russia is a big tell for me.
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)I copied it for future reference and forwarding. Ive already posted it as a comment on two Tweets. Its good to have readily at hand. Ive bookmarked this as well.
beathimlikeadrum
(31 posts)An absolute disgrace that random people on twitter are doing better investigative journalism than those at CNN et al.. Shame on them, and double shame on Reade and those knowingly involved in this attempted smear of a good man.
pamela
(3,469 posts)The incident she describes is straight out of Season 2 , right down to the hallway.
Hassler
(3,389 posts)questionseverything
(9,657 posts)they are no judge of truthfulness
her story is not credible for many reasons but it's ever changing narrative is the most obvious
Jeebo
(2,026 posts)If the allegations are not true, Biden is 1,000 times better than that orange thing currently in the White House. If the allegations are true, he's only 500 times better. Whether 500 times better or 1,000 times better, I am voting for Biden. It's a no-brainer.
I would like to hear someone ask Tara Reade this question:
"Ms. Reade, on Nov. 3, are you going to vote for Biden or his opponent?"
-- Ron
Mr. Evil
(2,853 posts)And of course the MSM gets off by reporting this shit all the while never mentioning the multiple allegations of sexual assault and even outright rape against Trump.
Joe Biden has his flaws just like any normal human. He's made his gaffes, his mistakes, his misjudgements just like any one of us but, at the end of the day Joe Biden is still a decent man. He exhibits empathy, sympathy, encouragement, humor and general caring for all. Joe Biden wasn't my first choice for the Democratic nominee for President of the US but, he definitely has my vote.
niyad
(113,532 posts)trueblue2007
(17,237 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,159 posts)I think she's a PAID liar!
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)thucythucy
(8,086 posts)K n R
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)uponit7771
(90,359 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)From what I could tell, she seems to be a legit Democrat/progressive and not a strong partisan of any candidate in the 2016 or 2020 primary, unless she deleted tweets suggesting otherwise before she came forward. She did retweet one tweet by Bernie Sanders in 2017, around the time of Trump's inauguration, but that's the only mention of Bernie in any of her tweets. She tweeted something about Biden slamming Secretary DeVos a few years ago as well. This is one of the few parts of the story I'm struggling with. Obviously, at most it proves Reade told her about the alleged assault - not that it actually happened. But I can't find anything on the neighbor to suggest she has an agenda.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)hay rick
(7,636 posts)2. If Joe did it, I don't think it could be proven.
3. If Joe did it, there's a tape, and Joe confesses- I'm still voting for him over Trump.
MH1
(17,600 posts)All 3 points.
And I think if #1 is true, she's a piece of shit every bit as bad as Trump.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)you don't think President OBAMA thoroughly vetted his VP?
I bet putin is paying her a pretty penny for this
Nitram
(22,861 posts)ancianita
(36,132 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/04/tara-reade-revisited
highplainsdem
(49,029 posts)Sogo
(4,992 posts)The trouble is that rumor and innuendo affects the emotions, which is a deeper level than reason.....Many who hear the rumors and innuendo about Biden will carry the suspicion with them long into the election season, IMO. Whether it affects their voting decision is yet to be seen....
As we all know, however, this whole episode is just Trump trying to shed the fact of his own egregious behavior towards women....
ancianita
(36,132 posts)The Times has also interviewed lawyers who spoke to Ms. Reade about her allegation; nearly two dozen people who worked with Mr. Biden during the early 1990s, including many who worked with Ms. Reade; and the other seven women who criticized Mr. Biden last year, to discuss their experiences with him.
No other allegation about sexual assault surfaced in the course of reporting, nor did any former Biden staff members corroborate any details of Ms. Reades allegation.
The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden.
One last point.
Obama and Biden were oppo researched in 2015.
Not once did any hint about Reade's Senate filing ever appear on FOX News during the entire eight years that Biden was VP.
Not once did Republicans congressionally investigate Biden while Trump had both houses.
PatSeg
(47,573 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,018 posts)Prof.Higgins
(194 posts)false accusations, Wikileaks weaponized DNC hacks and other whataboutisms which saved Trump by depressing Clinton's turnout.
highplainsdem
(49,029 posts)Cha
(297,561 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)doubt and she destroyed my faith in women accusers. Joe has been in the spotlight of news for YEARS, 1st being the youngest person ever to have been elected to the Senate & defeating a long term incumbent Senator, then during his years in thee Sen sate with lot of controversial votes.. Most of his life has been bare to the public because of the many tragedies in his life. then his 8 years as VP. I think most people know Joe & his personality. The accusations made by this woman just doesn't fit Joe at all. Her constantly changing stories just reinforce my belief that she's perpetrating a scam. all that doe is ruin pub lic opinions about all women. ahe should be ashamed!
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
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Hekate
(90,779 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)for scamming a charity---unless she accuses Biden of sex crimes. Would not put it past Barr to abuse his office.
blakstoneranger
(333 posts)They think we are so stupid. Funny how her story kinda matches up with the story told by one of trump's accusers.
Well the media is going to make a big deal of it to level the playing field. Especially if biden pulls to far ahead in the polls.
Trump and his money goes a long, long, way. Couldn't pay the eukraine, but he can pay an american to lie through her teeth.
dreamland
(964 posts)...rather have a leader with 20 accusers than to vote for one with a dubious accuser. In a word, sad.
Captain Zero
(6,823 posts)Maybe you can get Yahoo to publish all this.
Any casual visitor to Yahoo is only going to register:
'evidence is emerging' against Biden.
The campaign denials are deep in the article, but no reference to these things.
It's not helping Biden if all his defense in yahoo is swatting at it and substantial info like this is over here for us who can figure out she is in the employ of Russia and/or run by Russian Agents.
CousinIT
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They deserve to be asked why they are smearing Biden. And without providing the information in my OP above ALONG WITH their other info, then they ARE smearing Biden and that can be safely assumed to be their main objective, not justice for poor Ms. Reade (or whatever she says her name is this week)
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d_b
(7,463 posts)The only evidence I need is that she waited until Joe was the presumptive nominee to accuse him of the finger bullshit, so...she's not merely trying to hurt Joe, she's fucking with the election.
Joinfortmill
(14,449 posts)CousinIT
(9,256 posts)Peacetrain
(22,878 posts)calimary
(81,441 posts)OfTheBottom99Percent
(47 posts)Wow, DU sinks even lower
marble falls
(57,172 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)Gothmog
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And they did not offer the standard, noncommittal I dont remember any such complaint. The denials were firm. She did not come to me. If she had, I would have remembered her, Kaufman said. Toner made a similar statement. And from Baker: I never once witnessed, or heard of, or received, any reports of inappropriate conduct (by Biden), period." Baker said such a complaint, had Reade made it, "would have left a searing impression on me as a woman professional, and as a manager.
►Missing formal complaint. Reade told The Times she filed a written complaint against Biden with the Senate personnel office. But The Times could not find any complaint. When The Times asked Reade for a copy of the complaint, she said she did not have it. Yet she maintained and provided a copy of her 1993 Senate employment records.
It is odd that Reade kept a copy of her employment records but did not keep a copy of a complaint documenting criminal conduct by a man whose improprieties changed the trajectory of her life. Its equally odd The Times was unable to find a copy of the alleged Senate complaint.
►Memory lapse. Reade has said that she cannot remember the date, time or exact location of the alleged assault, except that it occurred in a semiprivate area in corridors connecting Senate buildings. After I left the Justice Department, I was appointed by the federal court in Los Angeles to represent indigent defendants. The first thing that comes to mind from my defense attorney perspective is that Reades amnesia about specifics makes it impossible for Biden to go through records and prove he could not have committed the assault, because he was somewhere else at the time.
For instance, if Reade alleged Biden assaulted her on the afternoon of June 3, 1993, Biden might be able to prove he was on the Senate floor or at the dentist. Her memory lapses could easily be perceived as bulletproofing a false allegation.
►The lie about losing her job. Reade told The Union that Biden wanted her to serve drinks at an event. After she refused, "she felt pushed out and left Biden's employ," the newspaper said last April. But Reade claimed this month in her Times interview that after she filed a sexual harassment complaint with the Senate personnel office, she faced retaliation and was fired by Bidens chief of staff.
Leaving a job after refusing to serve drinks at a Biden fundraiser is vastly different than being fired as retaliation for filing a sexual harassment complaint with the Senate. The disparity raises questions about Reades credibility and account of events.
►Compliments for Biden. In the 1990s, Biden worked to pass the Violence Against Women Act. In 2017, on multiple occasions, Reade retweeted or liked praise for Biden and his work combating sexual assault. In the same year, Reade tweeted other compliments of Biden, including: My old boss speaks truth. Listen. It is bizarre that Reade would publicly laud Biden for combating the very thing she would later accuse him of doing to her.
dalton99a
(81,569 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Gothmog
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