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catbyte

(34,403 posts)
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:11 AM May 2020

Rant on: Sorry, but this is complete bullshit.

Does anybody remember any "exclusive interviews" with Donald Trump to address the 20+ claims of sexual assault that were a helluva lot more credible than Tara Reade's dubious claims?

I don't.

Once again, we've got Democrats held to a standard that Greedy Old Pricks aren't. If the allegations were so credible, why weren't they brought up in 2008? Why does her story keep changing? Why can't she remember key details? Why didn't her friend remember anything about it until Reade "reminded" her? Why hasn't she filed suit? I've known too many survivors of sexual assault and it's indelibly burned into their brains. Their stories never, ever changed. There are so many things that are problematic with Ms. Reade I don't know where to begin. Reporters have investigated Reade's claims and found nothing credible, but the evil forces in Washington & Moscow will try to exploit this to the nth degree even while actual sexual assault cases against that thing currently infesting the White House wind their way through the courts. And the double standard that is being played out now makes me sick. We have that thing currently infesting the White House bragging on tape about sexually assaulting women and it just didn't matter. We have women willing to be deposed and testify under oath about their sexual assault experiences at the hand of that thing currently infesting the White House. Nobody seems to care. Why?

Between this attempted character assassination of Biden, along with egomaniac Justin Amash's third-party run, we've got to work 10 times harder until November 3. The Greedy Old Pricks party will stop at nothing to cling to power and it's up to us to stop them. Don't be distracted by the bullshit.

I know I'm babbling, but between this craptastic non-issue and what happened at MY state Capitol yesterday, I'm beyond infuriated and outraged. It's only 9:38 a.m. EDT and I already feel like I need a nap.

We must do anything and everything legally possible to stop them this time. We won't survive another four years of Greedy Old Pricks in the White House and Senate majority. And for once, it's not hyperbole. Our lives actually depend on it.

Rant off.

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Rant on: Sorry, but this is complete bullshit. (Original Post) catbyte May 2020 OP
I see your rant and raise you with my rant. Zoonart May 2020 #1
Biden ASKED for the interview. Drunken Irishman May 2020 #2
Biden was forced to address it by the same media that gave tTrump a pass... Demsrule86 May 2020 #5
Trump wasn't given a pass. Drunken Irishman May 2020 #6
Trump was given a pass. And he called Mika and Joe everyday... Demsrule86 May 2020 #9
Trump had stopped his daily calls by the time these allegations surfaced. Drunken Irishman May 2020 #12
Hillary received much worse coverage. And I well remember Joe and Mika welcoming Trump every Demsrule86 May 2020 #27
Yes Joe and Mika Rebl2 May 2020 #22
The christofascists don't care whether Reade was attacked or not.. Thomas Hurt May 2020 #3
Agree 1000% Ferrets are Cool May 2020 #4
Republicans tried the Ukraine thing. Didn't work. So they're going the MeToo route. dalton99a May 2020 #7
woudn't Justin Amash's third-party run weissmam May 2020 #8
Libertarian candidates take voters from the GOP who might otherwise vote for the Democrat. Hekate May 2020 #10
Nope. Amash will get pukes who just can't stand Trump. lagomorph777 May 2020 #11
The problem with that Butterflylady May 2020 #13
"Voting for Amash would make no sense..." lagomorph777 May 2020 #15
ANY Trump voter from '16 who votes for Amash is a win oldsoftie May 2020 #30
I don't watch ANY television news or opinion. hunter May 2020 #14
"The people in power bluescribbler May 2020 #16
THERE.IS.NO.NEEDLE.TO.THREAD.HERE. mopinko May 2020 #17
But the NYT just said they did NOT say that. oldsoftie May 2020 #31
Amen! Do NOT believe the hype! Even turn off all MSNBC horse race hype if you have to. ancianita May 2020 #18
24 hr news is the bane of civility. oldsoftie May 2020 #32
Righteous rant Solomon May 2020 #19
That was my Rebl2 May 2020 #20
Bernie Bros and conservatives have been the ones pushing this BS. Galraedia May 2020 #21
I was thinking Rebl2 May 2020 #25
Indeed Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2020 #33
I am pissed as hell at MSNBC and will not be watching any of their programming today. lark May 2020 #23
Kick for Rant Support.. Mahalo, catbyte! Cha May 2020 #24
Credibility isn't going to matter in this election. The goal of this is just to make Biden appear rwsanders May 2020 #26
Electoral college is corrupt, I'm convinced. 2016 showed that. BlancheSplanchnik May 2020 #29
I'm sure some leverage was applied to be sure delegates stayed in line. But rwsanders May 2020 #35
The fact is, WE hold OURSELVES to a higher standard. soldierant May 2020 #28
My wife asked me to turn off MSNBC this morning. hay rick May 2020 #34
On the rare occasions that I discuss issues with a right winger, they think they can pin me down by rwsanders May 2020 #36
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
2. Biden ASKED for the interview.
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:19 AM
May 2020

It wasn't like he was forced to give it.

Trump didn't. You're right about that. Trump also made it a habit to not sit on things for a few days while they stewed. He was out in front of a camera the next day after his accusers came forward and called them all liars. He even suggests one was too ugly to assault.

Trump denied, denied and denied. It obviously worked for him.

But here's the rub, Chub:

Trump's demographic to win is much more different than Biden. Unfortunately (or fortunately), Biden is atop the party that has made fighting for, and standing up for, sexual assault victims as one of their top priorities. Because of that, Biden doesn't get the luxury some Republicans get on this matter. Why? Because the standards are higher here. Not to mention that the Democrats consistently lose the male vote, while always doing very well among female voters.

That shapes the perception and therefore, the response.

But remember: no one forced Biden into going on Morning Joe. He asked to. That is on him. Not them.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
5. Biden was forced to address it by the same media that gave tTrump a pass...
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:28 AM
May 2020

Same old same old. MSNBC HELPED ELECT Trump in 16.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
6. Trump wasn't given a pass.
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:38 AM
May 2020

This is revisionist history. Trump's allegations dominated the news days before the election. The pass wasn't given because Trump was out there, in press gaggles, on twitter and on the stump, flatly calling these women liars.

The reason Biden did the interview is because the only comment he made on the matter was through a statement certainly written by his campaign.

Trump was on twitter shorty after the accusations denying, ranting and threatening to sue.

So, it's not comparable.

Biden didn't have to go on Morning Joe. He didn't have to talk to Mika. He didn't even have to comment.

But he decided to because his initial response, a mere statement, was not proving sufficiently.

Anyway, here's just a sample of the media's coverage of Trump's accusations days before the election:


26 days before the election on Good Morning America:



From CBS News in October, 2016:



From CNN News:



The only difference is that Trump was out in front of these accusations right from the start. Biden waited weeks to make a public, spoken statement himself.

Because Trump was denying from the start, he wasn't expected to address it BECAUSE he pretty much already had.

Now Biden has as well.
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
12. Trump had stopped his daily calls by the time these allegations surfaced.
Fri May 1, 2020, 01:07 PM
May 2020

They came out in October. By October, Trump had stopped calling in and attacked the show as low-rate on Twitter. So, there wasn't an opportunity.

Even still, Biden didn't have to go on Morning Joe. He could have picked a more favorable person like Lawrence O'Donnell. He chose that show for a reason and it was likely because he knew they wouldn't just lob softballs. Again, though, that is on him and his campaign. I commend him for going on there as opposed to something more friendly.

But you can't bring Trump into this because Trump purposely limited interviews to favorable press during all this. He then attacked the accusers during rallies and in tweets.

Biden could have done that too. He also could have told Morning Joe he wasn't going to answer any questions in reference to the allegations...but he went on to specifically answer those questions. So, again, that's on him.

I respect that and hope the public will as well.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
27. Hillary received much worse coverage. And I well remember Joe and Mika welcoming Trump every
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:44 PM
May 2020

morning...millions of dollar of free air time. Never heard Mika once demand any answers to the 20 or so charges against Trump ...which included 13 year olds.

Rebl2

(13,523 posts)
22. Yes Joe and Mika
Fri May 1, 2020, 06:00 PM
May 2020

as well as Matt Lauer from today show got that ugly thing in the White House elected.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
3. The christofascists don't care whether Reade was attacked or not..
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:25 AM
May 2020

or if Biden did it or it being investigated. They are only interested in using the allegations to attack Biden.

Remember, the right in this country is the party and ideology that holds that women lie about rape all the time, that they bring it on themselves, and the kicker...women can't get pregnant from rape.

If a con is complaining about Biden, they should shove their faux concerns and waddle off into the sunset.

dalton99a

(81,516 posts)
7. Republicans tried the Ukraine thing. Didn't work. So they're going the MeToo route.
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:40 AM
May 2020

Perhaps they'll investigate Biden's home computer for emails

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
10. Libertarian candidates take voters from the GOP who might otherwise vote for the Democrat.
Fri May 1, 2020, 01:03 PM
May 2020

There are Republicans who are disgusted with Trump, and if they have no other choice might actually vote for Biden. But offer them a chance to vote "neither" -- they can then feel good about making a statement. Of course, Trump will still be president, but they have made their statement.

At the other end of the spectrum, we have the Greens. Ralph Nader didn't pull votes from Bush -- he pulled them from Gore, and what with one thing and another, Bush became president. But the Greens sure felt good about their protest vote against the world's strongest environmentalist politician, Al Gore.

It never seems to work out well for the Democrats, for some reason.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
11. Nope. Amash will get pukes who just can't stand Trump.
Fri May 1, 2020, 01:04 PM
May 2020

Those pukes might otherwise have been forced to choose Biden.

Butterflylady

(3,544 posts)
13. The problem with that
Fri May 1, 2020, 01:18 PM
May 2020

Is voting for Amash instead of Biden would probably mean a win for orange face the one they want to defeat. Voting for Amash would make no sense and I think their aware of that.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
15. "Voting for Amash would make no sense..."
Fri May 1, 2020, 01:20 PM
May 2020

Of course it wouldn't. But who would ever accuse pukes of logical thinking?

mopinko

(70,127 posts)
17. THERE.IS.NO.NEEDLE.TO.THREAD.HERE.
Fri May 1, 2020, 04:10 PM
May 2020

so stop saying that you bumfuzzled media mouths.
if you are confused, consider improving your reading comprehension.
there is no fine balance.

joe did exactly what you are supposed to do.
#metoo, #timesup, those things demand transparency and due process.
joe begged for that.
nyt says there is no there there. so does everyone else.

just like hunter.

shut the fuck up, people, and start asking the orange menace about the black dress.

Rebl2

(13,523 posts)
20. That was my
Fri May 1, 2020, 05:53 PM
May 2020

thought. If he did this, why didn’t she bring it up in 2008. I’m sure Biden was vetted before Obama chose him. Why does her story keep changing. Who is paying her to do this, and yes I think she is being paid. Is it the trump campaign or russia? Maybe another political group that has a grudge?

Galraedia

(5,026 posts)
21. Bernie Bros and conservatives have been the ones pushing this BS.
Fri May 1, 2020, 05:56 PM
May 2020

Mostly Bernie supporters are the ones pushing it thinking it will help Bernie Sanders, which is ironic as Bernie Sanders himself endorsed Joe Biden even after his supporters were pushing this crap. Also, you can tell the difference between the Bernie Bros and conservatives, as the conservatives will always bring up Kavanaugh.

Rebl2

(13,523 posts)
25. I was thinking
Fri May 1, 2020, 06:54 PM
May 2020

it was trump campaign, Russia, or Bernie bro’s. Bernie should speak up and defend Joe, but I don’t think he will.

lark

(23,105 posts)
23. I am pissed as hell at MSNBC and will not be watching any of their programming today.
Fri May 1, 2020, 06:13 PM
May 2020

When they start holding drumpf's feet to the fire to the extent they do Biden, I'll tune back in. Mika Scum is off my watch list permanently.

rwsanders

(2,606 posts)
26. Credibility isn't going to matter in this election. The goal of this is just to make Biden appear
Fri May 1, 2020, 07:11 PM
May 2020

no better/worse than Trump. In that scenario, with the electoral college Trump may win.

rwsanders

(2,606 posts)
35. I'm sure some leverage was applied to be sure delegates stayed in line. But
Sat May 2, 2020, 02:17 PM
May 2020

from what I understand delegates are folks trying to climb the ranks within the party, so they don't want to stray.
But Trump is Exhibit A for how big a failure the EC is and why it should be abolished. Everyone knew from the day he announced his candidacy that he was an incompetent moron, yet he sits polluting the oval office.

soldierant

(6,890 posts)
28. The fact is, WE hold OURSELVES to a higher standard.
Fri May 1, 2020, 09:11 PM
May 2020

And we should. The standard for Republicans is so low that no one just barely meeting it should have the right to be called a human being, let alone trusted with political office.

We are better than that.

But that (I suspect) isn't what you and others are ranting about. You are upset and ranting that the truth is not obvious to all.

Well, it should. I agree. Sadly, though, even if journalism were great again, if truth were the highest standard for news and everyone had to meet it, there would still be these people who would not believe the truth. I don't knowwhat can be done about that. For some, likely nothing - it's too late.I'd surely love to know how to reach those for whom it is not yet too late - and how to identify them. But I don't...I doubt whether anyone does.

hay rick

(7,624 posts)
34. My wife asked me to turn off MSNBC this morning.
Sat May 2, 2020, 10:02 AM
May 2020

My wife is a compulsive news watcher but Velshi was doing the obligatory Reade report and the over-coverage just pisses her off. They are doing their Hillary's email thing again. They have no sense of professional journalistic ethics. They are making sure that every last scrap of possible negative information is getting headline treatment. The most generous interpretation I can offer of their behavior is they want to keep the presidential race close enough so that they can report a horse race that people will pay attention to through November. Sadly, I think their motivations are even less pure.

My hope is that the new normal post-coronavirus will include a massive readjustment to the influence of mass media.

rwsanders

(2,606 posts)
36. On the rare occasions that I discuss issues with a right winger, they think they can pin me down by
Sat May 2, 2020, 02:18 PM
May 2020

using MSNBC against me and I tell them that I don't watch it because it is too conservative. At that point the train is off the tracks and they don't know what to say.

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