to have someone look at it without it being someone who will dig and reveal anything unrelated to Reade. I gotta think there's a way to do that.

the lefty or righty trolls. Virginia showed us how it is done.

you find someone else you trust and enough outside people trust.

some of whom want Trump to be reelected. The documents if they exisited and they don't about Reade would be in the Senate Archives. Just keep saying no. Focus on the General. Much damaging information continues to come out about Reade. At some point, she and this will be irrelevant.

I'm talking about those who would be persuaded and pretending they don't exist isn't very reasonable.

fuck them. We don't give an inch period.

he already went on record.

It's going to happen. All of this NO NO NO isn't going to change that.

his private papers until he is done being president...or dead.

You know this as well as I do.

And what does it matter if he opens it up to SOMEONE HE TRUSTS?

I didn't say post them online. I didn't say have some random reporter look at it.

There are a plethora of people who both he trusts and would have basic media trust to do the examination.

open those records...over Tara Reade...who is a liar or for anyone. The media just wants to have a look so they can try to destroy him...not going to happen. He is the nominee period.

My supporting a different candidate has ZERO to do with my point here.
My candidate dropped out and endorsed Biden. She ain't taking over his spot.
Bernie isn't either.

The goal here is supposed to be that we do everything we can to get Biden to the WH.

You. Don't. Have. To. Open. It. For. The. Media.

You can find an independent party, that Joe trusts. That is widely respected. To do the investigation.
That ain't opening anything up to the media. No one is proposing that he share a single not Tara Reade related thing.
Because there won't be anything Reade-related in there ANYWAYS. So someone looks, and the only report that needs to be generated is...ain't nothing there. Done. Finished.

And you cannot tell me that there isn't a single reason person out there that we can't trust to do just that.

"The media" isn't a monolith all out to get Joe.

why in the hell would they? First of all any Senate complaints are with the Senate. Secondly, do you think if Reade's claim about a complaint filed was correct that Joe or anyone would save such a thing in the archives which will be used for a library for Biden...eventually? And I do not believe the allegations have any merit whatsoever.

It is a fishing expedition and in the end,it would not be enough. They would demand full release. No. It won't happen. And the reason I asked you about your candidate preference is because there is strong evidence that the entire thing is a made up story...an attempt to make Sanders the nominee...it won't work of course. We heard all sorts of shit about biden before he announced and all during the primary from those in the media who wanted a different candidate. Biden can withstand this as it clearly is bullshit. We know Joe.

you act like there's only two people, folks who don't need anymore, and "the enemy."

That ain't reality.

Yes, there isn't anything in there. Plenty of folks don't know that, or aren't sure of that, so checking it HARMS NOTHING.

I DONT THINK ANYTHING IS THERE. So I have no idea why you are asking me a question I ALREADY answered prior.

I'm not the one who needs convincing, there are folks who do, and all of them ain't the enemy.

The reason you asked me is because you were and are ready to proclaim me one of "the enemy" which is hilarious since I have never supported Sanders and don't support him now, and will never support him in the future.

I have never once given credence to anything other than Joe being handsy, and he's admitted that and apologized for it.

You are so angry that you assume everyone who wants to see this is a Trumper or a Sanders person. And that's a pretty inaccurate assumption.

The calls aren't going to stop because you are angry. They will grow. And, at some point, Biden will be forced to figure out a way to check this block while still protecting himself. And there's several ways to do it that will not make it "a fishing expedition."

Joe shouldn't even speak about it and that it would be horrible and he won't do it just ignore it.

And then guess what...he had to.

Well, guess what again, sooner or later, he's going to have to do more, no matter what you think about that.

Given that reality, the goal is to find a way to make it as beneficial to him as possible without any downside, and it's better to do that sooner than wait a few weeks for the media calls to grow and grow until it looks like he was forced into it.

And that's going to be true whether you get angry about the idea or not.

As for the rest of your post, Biden doesn't have to do anything. I am angry at Chris Hayes because he used his position as a host and journalist to propagate lies. Biden will be just fine. We put up with this shit all during the primary...and frankly Reade is a very bad choice for whoever picked her to bring Biden down.

Biden will have to do more, and will do more. No matter how angry you get.
Biden will be just fine because he will approach it with a lot more patience and openness than you want him to, thank goodness.

government had there been resignations over blackface Governor) or the Me To sort of attack on the Lieutenant governor...and surprise surprise they found blackface shit for the next person who would have taken over (AG)...an attempted coup and the usual suspect were tweeting about how everyone had to resign...blah blah..stay strong Joe. Tell them to go to hell.

Republicans have managed to lower the bar below sea level and live and thrive with it, while (some) Democrats seem to keep raising the bar. I want to know in my heart that our candidates are decent, and Joe Biden is decent. That is enough for me.

side helps her.

From the enemy's point of view it does not matter what is said, what evidence is offered in whatever quantity and of whatever quality. These trolling shit-heels will always want something more, something else.

We must make sure everyone knows we are having none of it, shame any on our side who try and pretend there's something to this swill, and blanket 'news' outlets who try and peddle these lies with angry protests and threats of boycott --- anything short of actual threats of lethal violence.

Show-boat talking heads playing 'balance' as if the Golden Mean were not a logical fallacy need to learn fear of social consequences. There are a damned sight more of us than there are of them, and we need to come together and make this plain.

The time for this sort of crap is over. They cannot ruin our leaders without our help, and we need to get this through our collective heads. Well-meaning, good-hearted people who tend to the left need to learn not to allow their better natures to be taken advantage of by vicious scum on the right, and splinterest wreckers on the far left, who enlist them in their charges against figures of the center left, by exhorting them to 'be consistent' and telling them 'don't be hypocrites'. The proper response to attempts at this is a hearty "Fuck off! Nobody cares what a rancid piece of dogshit like you thinks!" Or words to that effect....

Only attack the enemy, the christo-fascist right.

Never, ever, attack people who are on your side.

If you want one quick reason why the right wing wields power well out of proportion to the popularity of its policies, it is that they adhere to this rule, and we on the left do not.


"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."

Plenty of folks who aren't "the enemy" who would also be more persuaded if those records were checked.

Anyone who claims to be a leftist, or a liberal, or a progressive, an ally of women or minorities or labor or any other wholesome thing, who lends the least credence to this, who does the slightest thing to give these lies countenance, might as well be wearing a red hat, and ought to be, and will be, engaged accordingly.


Only attack the enemy, the christo-fascist right.

Never, ever, attack people who are on your side.

If you want one quick reason why the right wing wields power well out of proportion to the popularity of its policies, it is that they adhere to this rule, and we on the left do not.


"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."

that's ridiculous.

I just watched Michelle Goldberg. She's always on our side. She's not taking up with the enemy. She's also being very cautious. She recognizes that there are discrepancies. She also thinks there is some corroboration. She likes what Joe did this morning, but she also thinks it would be wise for just a little more.

She's not the enemy, she's not with the enemy. There are plenty of folks like her.

What is done by the campaign, and the proper lines for popular agitation, are different things. If Ms. Goldberg wants to posture as a light of excessive virtue and the possessor of a mind so open that the brains fall out, that is her business, and not to her credit, not in the slightest. Anyone who imagines that what is at issue is the truth of this ridiculous lie misses the point of the last few decades of political life. The one thing at issue is whether the lie will have the political effect those pressing it desire --- harm to Mr. Biden and benefit to the cheap thug with his hairspray crown. We are already well past the point where 'asking for the truth' is as germane as asking how many touchdowns were scored in the last game of the 2019 Series. It is not even beside the point, it is so out the essential structure of the matter that it is not even wrong. One thing and one thing only is of any importance. Does the enemy win, or do we.


"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."

the you either are 100 percent my way or you suck mentality is something I am glad Biden himself doesn't share.

Michelle Goldberg is not posturing. She's one of the smartest liberals out there. She was exceedingly fair in pointing out the inconsistency and other things.

There's more than just "us and the enemy" and again I'm glad Biden sees that better than some folks around here do.

be in the Senate archives...they just want to dig up dirt on Biden so no...not happening. There is tons of stuff going back years that could be used to mislead and smear. Biden is too smart to fall for this shit. I just want to say to any who are lurking and hoping there is a chance a different candidate could be handed the nomination because of this story-not happening. Biden is our nominee. He won fair and square. The primary is over...so stop, you only help Trump.

But even harder for the average joe to figure out.

Don’t give an inch.

that was the moment it died.

Not the one we are stuck in, the one where the Chicago Cubs won the World Series in 2016....

followed it anymore. The one where even the father of it had to admit out in the open it wasn't true.

These people cannot be satisfied, there is always something more, one more hoop they want a target top jump through. Best to tell them to fuck off straight at the start, and stick to it through thick and thin.


"Once you pay the Danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane."

You're focused on one narrow group. There's more than one set of people here. Some will never be reached, some will. We will need the latter. And there's zero harm done here. You find someone Joe trusts. They do the search. Nothing is found. Boom it's done.

Makes me wonder if I am addressing someone able to purchase his own beer.

Anyone who meets the qualifications you set out will simply be denounced as a biased liar by those seeking to keep the smear at a roiling boil, who will demand an investigation by someone trustworthy like One America News or worse. Surely you know this....


"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."

why do you think I am referencing those people?
Why do you think there's a universe of only two types of people?
Those you describe, and literally everyone else who thinks Biden is 100 percent cleared and needs to do nothing else?

Why?

Because you are going to have to provide your education in political realities for yourself, and I suspect it will be difficult for you to do, as you display a degree of obtuseness which seldom occurs naturally, and hence likely has required some cultivation, and become part of your sense of who and what you are....

that's nice, usually a sign of someone who has nothing to offer or a response.

I'm glad Biden recognizes it's not simply the enemy or us like you.

Imagine, if you will, my disappointment at seeing the yellow light in the upper right....

It has been ages since anyone called me nice. On occasion people have called me kind, and mostly it engenders no resentment. In some particular instance it may even be true.

Accurate description, couched in gentle terms, is no personal attack, and you get not so much as one cookie for striking such a posture.


"The first time a kitten bats at a butterfly it is off-hand, lazy. The second time she means it."

it was the last time I was going to make that point, not the last time I would respond.

Imagine me not caring about your disappointment.

It's easy if you try.

Thankfully, Biden has better advisers than you.

Now, throw out another insult and tack on a sir, gotta keep that thing going.

address points people make instead of ad hominems.

He made his statement and the accusers story is all over the place.

Ignore it and move on.

No, better. Attack and highlight the almost 20 complaints against trump. All credible.

anyone who might have been persuaded but still open saw it go away.

Stop focusing only on Trump supporters as if they are the only ones who can fall for baloney.

And really. You think anyone is going to be like “boy oh boy Trump is crazy and totally fucking up on this virus thing. I really want to vote for Biden. But that hazy 27 year old accusation we’ve never heard about is gonna stop me”? No fucking way. The only people who are raising hell about this are right wing nuts, the media, and the far left who are pissed they are the Far left, not the mainstream left.

He made his statement. Ignore it.

That is all.

the Access Hollywood tape. Don't defend, attack.

have him fork over a DNA sample.

I posted the same in another thread.

MSM knows this is nothing but without it they’ve got no horse race. This morning watching Mika and her oh-I-so-care act it hit me - this is perpetual, simply mentioning it keeps it alive.

Ok. That completed my day.

and other ways hackers would try to gain access to UD servers, property, buildings, etc. due to the coverage.

No one cares. Period. People are dying. People are out of work. No one cares about the inconsistent, unsupported allegations of a woman who may well need professional help.

I don't even remember their names, and i don't ever recall drumpf being called on to release any documents over it......

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With Biden's clear and firm statement "this never never happened" will be enough to diffuse this since there is no tangible or credible evidence.

Along with no date, time or exact location.
women remember those moments like forever etched in the mind. Maybe this happened to her but not with Biden
Just want this bs story to end and focus on important issues of the day.

And more so due to the fact she has a law degree.

Biden does not need to release anything. If there even is anything, it would be in the public record not in Biden's private papers donated to the University.

Biden can always deflect to Trump's taxes, current taxpayer money given for Trump's businesses, NDAs, bankruptcies, ... but would be better off exposing Trump/Trump's administration that is hell bent on hurting Americans every day by proposing to take away healthcare/education, polluting the environment, tax cuts for wealthiest, ballooning defects on purpose, etc.

In a fight, one fights. That is all.

Well-meaning, good-hearted people who tend to the left need to learn not to allow their better natures to be taken advantage of by vicious scum on the right, and splinterest wreckers on the far left, who enlist them in their charges against figures of the center left, by exhorting them to 'be consistent' and telling them 'don't be hypocrites'. The proper response to attempts at this is a hearty "Fuck off! Nobody cares what a rancid piece of dogshit like you thinks!" Or words to that effect....

We are better than they are. We do not 'become them' by doing what is necessary to vanquish them. We are better than they are because our goals are better than theirs. We want to improve people's lives, they want to beggar most to feed a few plutocrats. Achieving our goals requires defeating the enemy. That requires doing what it takes to prevail in the fight against them. This really isn't rocket surgery, it is not complex or intricate at all.


"Americans love a winner! And hate a loser!"


"A liberal may be defined as a man who won't take his own side in a quarrel."


"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."

Spend money and use his network to dump on COVID-45.

throughout the 2016 campaign to release any of his academic records .. “I’m not letting you look at anything” ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/grab-that-record-how-trumps-high-school-transcript-was-hidden/2019/03/05/8815b7b8-3c61-11e9-aaae-69364b2ed137_story.html

YES!