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Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
Fri May 1, 2020, 07:13 PM May 2020

Surprising Shortage Of Carbon Dioxide Threatens Food And Beverage Industries

The coronavirus outbreak has created multiple shortages as businesses shut down to maintain social distancing and quarantine orders. As the production of ethanol plants decreases, the amount of carbon dioxide (CO2) they capture as a byproduct and resell is also going down. This has implications for both food and beverage manufacturers that depend on CO2 for carbonation.

With fewer people driving to work or traveling, the need for fuels, such as ethanol, has gone down. In turn, plants have either cut or stopped making ethanol and its byproducts.

Reuters reported that ethanol production has decreased in the United States with 34 out of 45 plants affected by the current changes. Since ethanol plants resell the carbon dioxide byproduct to manufacturers, companies that rely on it are seeing rising prices. For example, beer brewers are paying 25% more for carbon dioxide now.

The shortage of carbon dioxide is affecting beer, soda, seltzer and other businesses. A coalition, which includes the Compressed Gas Association, National Pork Producers Council, Beer Institute, Brewers Association, National Turkey Federation, North American Meat Institute, National Cattlemen’s Beef Association and Renewable Fuels Association, wrote a letter to Vice President Mike Pence.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/lanabandoim/2020/04/28/surprising-shortage-of-carbon-dioxide-threatens-food-and-beverage-industries/
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Surprising Shortage Of Carbon Dioxide Threatens Food And Beverage Industries (Original Post) Newest Reality May 2020 OP
This Seems Odd ProfessorGAC May 2020 #1
One just looks it up and, voila! Newest Reality May 2020 #2
Why don't they use nitrogen? Victor_c3 May 2020 #9
Could Easily Use N2 ProfessorGAC May 2020 #10
Probably not cost effective for them to capture it Major Nikon May 2020 #5
That's how I carbonated my home brewed beer... Buckeye_Democrat May 2020 #8
Yup Rollo May 2020 #12
I'm going to.miss my soda stream Sedona May 2020 #3
We drink a shit ton of seltzer in our house. Like 3-4 liters a day. GulfCoast66 May 2020 #4
Shortage? An executive Order is in order. Fix it, Donald. keithbvadu2 May 2020 #6
Time to drink the Kool Aid. roamer65 May 2020 #7
I tremble at the idea of a beer shortage . dixiegrrrrl May 2020 #11

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
1. This Seems Odd
Fri May 1, 2020, 07:28 PM
May 2020

Beer makers use CO2 in large volume?
The fermentation makes CO2. I know home brewers and none need to add carbonation to their beer.
Also, the big liquor distillers are still operating at nearly full staff. Where's that CO2?
I get the mass production outfits making ethanol for fuel have slowed, but all the restaurants & bars that use CO2 for fountain drinks & tap beer are using none.
Something doesn't feel right about this story.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
2. One just looks it up and, voila!
Fri May 1, 2020, 07:33 PM
May 2020

During bottling, CO2 gas is used to pre-fill each bottle before the beer is added. This process minimizes exposure to oxygen, reduces foam, and maintains the CO2 in the beer before it is capped. In commercial breweries, even the head-space (air below the cap in the bottle) is replaced with CO2 to keep out oxygen so that the bottled beer can last longer in non-refrigerated stores. In order to test CO2 during bottling, a high-speed sensor like our SprintIR Fast CO2 sensor is used, which can measure CO2 levels 20 times per second.

https://www.co2meter.com/blogs/news/7010354-beer-fermentation-and-co2

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
9. Why don't they use nitrogen?
Sat May 2, 2020, 05:21 AM
May 2020

In a laboratory setting, you purge everything with nitrogen to push the oxygen out.

Roughly 78% of our atmosphere is nitrogen. It’s not like there isn’t enough of the gas around us.

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
10. Could Easily Use N2
Sat May 2, 2020, 06:45 AM
May 2020

The nitrogen suppliers will actually install the bulk bottle and condenser.
They use telemetry to track tank level, and send trucks to top off when inventory gets down to refill point.
Happens in pretty much every chemical plant in North America. Actually this is a worldwide standard.
And your own cite talks about capture systems. So, the CO2 isn't necessarily purchased product. If they're reusing the CO2 they generated themselves, the OP article & your cite are not connected.
You can stop with the gotcha attempt.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
5. Probably not cost effective for them to capture it
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:51 PM
May 2020

Even without ethanol production, CO2 is easy and cheap to make. I suspect they just came to rely on that source of supply and with it drying up they don’t have a ready alternative.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
8. That's how I carbonated my home brewed beer...
Sat May 2, 2020, 12:52 AM
May 2020

... and SOME breweries still do it that way — e.g., Trappist (monk) brewers.

Wait until most of the fermentation is done, add some sugar before the yeast dies, then bottle.

Need to be careful of “bottle bombs” from doing it wrong.

Most major breweries remove the yeast before bottling. A thin layer of yeast at the bottom of the bottles is probably considered unappealing to most consumers.

Edit: Good sanitation is crucial too, and not just to avoid off-flavors. There’s some bacteria that will consume sugars that the yeast can’t, producing carbon dioxide in the process too. That’s what causes “bottle bombs” among some home brewers. (Never happened to me, thankfully.)

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
4. We drink a shit ton of seltzer in our house. Like 3-4 liters a day.
Fri May 1, 2020, 08:48 PM
May 2020

We’ve gone through 3 soda stream machines in the past 10 years in an effort to reduce our use of plastic bottles. Plus it is fun to carbonate to your personal taste.

I drink mine plain and have loved it since high school. The wife orders fancy cola syrup and mixes them at less than half normal strength. Less calories and caffeine free.

The replacement bottles are getting hard to find.

keithbvadu2

(36,828 posts)
6. Shortage? An executive Order is in order. Fix it, Donald.
Sat May 2, 2020, 12:45 AM
May 2020

Shortage? An executive Order is in order. Fix it, Donald.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
11. I tremble at the idea of a beer shortage .
Sun May 3, 2020, 02:20 AM
May 2020

The veneer of civilization is being eroded fast enough.
Add unplanned beer withdrawal into the crazy mix. ...eeeek!!!
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