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spanone

(135,844 posts)
Sat May 2, 2020, 06:20 PM May 2020

The last time the government sought a 'warp speed' vaccine, it was a fiasco


President Gerald Ford receives a swine flu inoculation from White House physician William Lukash in 1976. (David Hume Kennerly/Gerald R. Ford Library)

The federal government has launched “Operation Warp Speed” to deliver a covid-19 vaccine by January, months ahead of standard vaccine timelines.

The last time the government tried that, it was a total fiasco.

Gerald Ford was president. It was 1976. Early that year, a mysterious new strain of swine flu turned up at Fort Dix in New Jersey. One Army private died. Many others became severely ill. The nation’s top infectious disease doctors were shaken.

“They were well aware of the ravages of the 1918 flu, and this virus appeared to be closely related,” political scientist Max J. Skidmore wrote in his book “Presidents, Pandemics, and Politics.” “The officials were concerned about a repetition of the tragedy, or the threat of perhaps an even more virulent pandemic.”


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The last time the government sought a 'warp speed' vaccine, it was a fiasco (Original Post) spanone May 2020 OP
I believe I'll wait for the Australians... PoiBoy May 2020 #1
I remember that customerserviceguy May 2020 #2
Well, apparently US "made a bet" on a company with totally unproven technology. LisaL May 2020 #3
He loves customerserviceguy May 2020 #4
I remember people getting sick Raine May 2020 #5
Our technology and knowledge of DNA is light years ahead of where it was in 1976. scarletlib May 2020 #6

PoiBoy

(1,542 posts)
1. I believe I'll wait for the Australians...
Sat May 2, 2020, 06:59 PM
May 2020
https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2020/04/uq-covid-19-vaccine-shown-induce-potent-protective-response-pre-clinical-trials


UQ was tasked by the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation (CEPI) to use its vaccine technology to develop a coronavirus vaccine, and has collaborated with the Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity (Doherty Institute) to demonstrate and understand its immune response.

UQ project co-leader Professor Paul Young said the results were an excellent indication that the vaccine worked as expected.

“This is what we were hoping for, and it’s a great relief for the team given the tremendous faith placed in our technology by CEPI, Federal and Queensland Governments and our philanthropic partners,” Professor Young said.

“We were particularly pleased that the strength of the antibody response was even better than those observed in samples from COVID-19 recovered patients.”

University of Melbourne Professor Kanta Subbarao, from the Doherty Institute, tested samples provided by the UQ team and found high levels of antibodies capable of neutralizing infection by the live virus in cell culture.

“This is a very important finding because similar immune responses with SARS vaccines in animal models were shown to lead to protection from infection,” Professor Subbarao said.








customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
2. I remember that
Sun May 3, 2020, 01:59 AM
May 2020

It took two injections to give immunity to the swine flu, and at the time they were discontinued, I had already received one injection. It was the worst of both worlds, not enough to be safe from the flu, but possibly enough to give me the nasty side effect that some people were experiencing.

If I was not of a scientific mindset, it might have made me an anti-vaxxer. I do think that scientists know a hell of a lot more about vaccines for viruses today than they did in 1976, so I'm not as worried that they will make the kinds of mistakes that happened then.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
3. Well, apparently US "made a bet" on a company with totally unproven technology.
Sun May 3, 2020, 02:06 AM
May 2020

"Established in 2010, Moderna has never brought a product to market, or gotten any of its nine or so vaccine candidates approved for use by the FDA. It has also never brought a product to the third and final phase of a clinical trial."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/us/coronavirus-moderna-vaccine-invs/index.html

scarletlib

(3,413 posts)
6. Our technology and knowledge of DNA is light years ahead of where it was in 1976.
Sun May 3, 2020, 07:20 AM
May 2020

The ability to craft a vaccine that is safe and works is much more probable now. Add to that the fact that there was already a lot of research into the Coronavirus family before this particular novel-virus emerged and scientists already had a head start.

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